[Kghyutgykim]

[QUOTE=Ibrahimhanifa;783320]

Isn't that shirk according neo salaf ? i guess if a wahabest does it its 'Sunnah'pathetic

what? no its not shirk according to "neo salaf". Your mixing up salafis with jihadis. We dont make takfeer of muslim rulers except in important situations where a clear benefit can be gained and clear kufr akbar has been comitted and we have been preceeded by ulema in the takfeer.

I dont make takfeer of tehlikes of turkey or indonesia or malaysia dispite heavy sufi populations because I dont let my theological position cause me to be injust as these are my muslim brotehrs and we need to be constructive an do the best of our situation.

Let me remind you taht we all contribute to the riba economy and those of us who live in kuffar lands and pay taxes, our money is even funding aggression against muslim lands, so what is our excuse? Why does that excuse not equally apply to saudi? Or turkey or indonesia?

[timmybrown]

Dear brother AbuFatimah,

How long have you lived on saudia?

I really dont want to take part in this discussion because im living here but ill just say that all your observations, sorry to say, are completely wrong....

Sorry to break your bubble. I was born here and lived here almost half my life so i know more about where the economy is going right now.

And this is not completely true either that the economy runs on oil. The economy of saudi runs on govt fees and taxes esp what they from expats.

I can say alot more, but i really dont want to.

[Kghyutgykim]

[QUOTE=Ibrahimhanifa;783320]

Isn't that shirk according neo salaf ? i guess if a wahabest does it its 'Sunnah'pathetic

I think its pathetic how you guys bang on about taqleed and then dont produce any ulema for your criticism of saudi

[drgshmcm]

[QUOTE]

I think there is some very anti saudi bia here and I have yet to see a single fatwa produced from the debandi kibaar ulema taht have disparaged saudi or encouraged to criticise them against the orders of the prophet SAW to not speak out against teh rulers

where is the referring back to the ulema? WHere is the taqleed? Where is the "dont make your own ijtihad"? It goes out of the window when it suits

Rulers can be criticised if they are doing the haram and promoting it as the halaal openly.

I think the Deobandie ulama are too linient with Saudi.

[beloveds]

[QUOTE=AbuFatimah;783312]

you saw what happened to iraq when saddam tried to leave the dollar. We just dont have the stregnth to do this yet

do you also hate turkey as this same thing applies to them too

Didn't the neo salafi say Ya (shakyh) America when Saddam was heading towards thier palaces
?

[Kghyutgykim]

Dear brother AbuFatimah,

How long have you lived on saudia?

I really dont want to take part in this discussion because im living here but ill just say that all your observations, sorry to say, are completely wrong....

Sorry to break your bubble. I was born here and lived here almost half my life so i know more about where the economy is going right now.

And this is not completely true either that the economy runs on oil. The economy of saudi runs on govt fees and taxes esp what they from expats.

I can say alot more, but i really dont want to.

salaam bro, firstly, I always laugh at this arguement taht somehow because im ethnic british and live in britain that I wont know as much about another country as someone who lives tehre. you think because you walk on saudi sand taht this means you know more about the saudi economy and development than me? Do you have private meetings with ministers or economists? On what grounds does you buying you lahm from a saudi suuq mean you know more about saudis political position than me?

I have already stated massive evidence of exactly what saudi is doing as a country. you have providing nothing except say "I live here so I know motre and your wrong".

You say the saudi economy runs on government fees and taxes. This is stupidity bro no offence. You may live in saudi but you are certainly not educated in economics. Economies dont run off government taxes, its the other way around. And saudi get 90% of their exports from petroleum based products, so tahts where the majority of their income is from. They are trying to move their economy away from oil and into knowledge based fields hence why they are invovled in medicle research taht I have provided in this article. They are also doing a lot in many different fields and are building whole new cities focused on various fields. If you disagree with me, fine, but try to actually provide me some facts an dreferences rather than just saying "sorry to say but you are wrong" which frankly doesnt add anything to the discussion

[timmybrown]

Brother AbuFatimah,

Statistics on wikipedia and 'economic reports' mean nothing when the ground realities are different.

I just want to point out two things and i take a leave as this discussion is never ending..

1) If saudi economic is roaring, universities are doing great break thrus and theres no shortage of funds, then why are professional, hardworking, genius, qualified 'EXPAT' professors, lecturers, technicians kicked out of saudi universities every year esp this year so that saudis can get jobs and replace them with double salaries and do half the work? And keep in mind that most of these breakthrus and researches are done by expats but the name in the journals are of saudis.

2) recently there wad a report on arabnews that around 300,000 saudis got jobs and this saudiazation is a big success. Now if we go by your logic of trusting the reports, then we would sit and applaud. But if you are on the ground and go and ask any saudi if this is true then he will show you the real picture!

Please do some ground research about this matter of saudis getting jobs. I would like to see the results of your research insha'Allah.

And yes sorry, its not just govt taxes and fees, they earn billions from umrah and hajj also

[Kghyutgykim]

Brother AbuFatimah,

Statistics on wikipedia and 'economic reports' mean nothing when the ground realities are different.

I just want to point out two things and i take a leave as this discussion is never ending..

1) If saudi economic is roaring, universities are doing great break thrus and theres no shortage of funds, then why are professional, hardworking, genius, qualified 'EXPAT' professors, lecturers, technicians kicked out of saudi universities every year esp this year so that saudis can get jobs and replace them with double salaries and do half the work? And keep in mind that most of these breakthrus and researches are done by expats but the name in the journals are of saudis.

2) recently there wad a report on arabnews that around 300,000 saudis got jobs and this saudiazation is a big success. Now if we go by your logic of trusting the reports, then we would sit and applaud. But if you are on the ground and go and ask any saudi if this is true then he will show you the real picture!

Please do some ground research about this matter of saudis getting jobs. I would like to see the results of your research insha'Allah.

And yes sorry, its not just govt taxes and fees, they earn billions from umrah and hajj also

a saudi on the ground is anecdotal evidence and cannot be considered as evidence because he wont know the situation of the country, only his personal experience in the one or two cities he spends a lot of time in. There is absolutely no way a person can tell me that all the proofs I can bring up from journals etc are false but some guy on teh net who claims that he knows someone who lives there who said x,y,z should be considered as a 100% accurate source of info. Thats just absurd. "Arabnews said x,y and z but that cant be true coz my mates from saudi and he said no way does it feel like 300,000 saudis have gotten jobs". For starters what about all the saudi women now working in underwear shops, that was a recent development that would contribute to statistcs.

question 2 has answered question 1. The reason they kick out expats is because they are slowly trying to take over everything with their native population so that they can continue to power their country after the oil money dries up and all the expats pack up and leave for the next financially booming country.

If your claiming this research was done by a westerner then you need to provide evidence.

I know absolutely tonnes of saudis who are working as engineers and other various jobs, I even have met a saudi fighter pilot so I know tehre are Saudis who are working but as I said, you cant make up statistics based on your personal experiences

[nancywind]

a saudi on the ground is anecdotal evidence and cannot be considered as evidence because he wont know the situation of the country, only his personal experience in the one or two cities he spends a lot of time in. There is absolutely no way a person can tell me that all the proofs I can bring up from journals etc are false but some guy on teh net who claims that he knows someone who lives there who said x,y,z should be considered as a 100% accurate source of info. Thats just absurd. "Arabnews said x,y and z but that cant be true coz my mates from saudi and he said no way does it feel like 300,000 saudis have gotten jobs". For starters what about all the saudi women now working in underwear shops, that was a recent development that would contribute to statistcs.

question 2 has answered question 1. The reason they kick out expats is because they are slowly trying to take over everything with their native population so that they can continue to power their country after the oil money dries up and all the expats pack up and leave for the next financially booming country.

If your claiming this research was done by a westerner then you need to provide evidence.

I know absolutely tonnes of saudis who are working as engineers and other various jobs, I even have met a saudi fighter pilot so I know tehre are Saudis who are working but as I said, you cant make up statistics based on your personal experiences

Brother, can you please provide any reference yourself just like you ask bro Taliban1 to do?

I once did a research on how much are Hajj revenues a part of Saudi GDP, I think it was about 10-15% and that was about 2 years ago.

(edit) P.S: I appluade their break through in science and technology as long as they achieve that within the limits of Sharia.

[Ebjjrxrd]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I think it is good that Saudi Arabia is making strides towards progress, mashaa Allah.

I think it would best if people stopped viewing the world in just black and white. Are there problems in and with Saudi Arabia? Yes. However, let's not deny the good. At the end of they day, these advcandments were made by individuals who I assume are Muslim, so let's be glad for them at least. If you were a scientist and you made a scientific advancement, would you want your work to be met with a simple, "maashaa Allah", or a long discussion on how your country is evil due to various reasons, reasons which can be applied across the board since all countries are involved in something which is not in line with Islam.

[evammaUselp]

[QUOTE=AbuFatimah;783316]

if saudi arabia tried to totally isolate itself form the rest of the world economy then
1) they would get invaded and
2) they would ecomically collapse, and
3) the riba economy will still survive without saudi arabia.
So you cant pin the worlds ill on saudi.
And ikhwan and saudi are the best we have at the moment.
Do you criticise turkey also?
What about tunisia?
What about yourself?
Do you pay tax?
Do you own a bank account?
Do you purchase from shops which are part of the economy?
So arent you also supporting this system?

You cant compare Turkey and Saudia Arabia - Saudia uses foreigner's for all there scientific and technological missions. They import military equipment and weapons. They have black gold which funds everything including the research. Even then I had a reference previously that the entire Arab World including Saudia combined produces less scientific literature than spain alone. But Saudia, Allah having given them the blessing of the most valuable material item - oil and they still have not shown us anything that would strike us with awe. Why? Because the ideology pervading there needs to change. The advances of the turkish are organic, not funded by petrol. A pure hardworking economy like america. Manufacturing economy, IT, communications e.t.c. They dont sit on cozy cushions and eat dates. They have worked their ass of the last century. SAudi has its good side also - they are charitable country and they organize the hajj pretty well i was told.

But the Islamic ideology pervading there is not the best. I argue against people who say SAudia has the best Islamic system in the world. No wrong. GEnuine Islam is self-practiced ISlam. Only if you have freedom to disbelieve that your belief will be genuine. If you get fed from day 1 to your death about how to behave and forced to do that then thats not genuine practice. I think Turkish Muslims are better than saudi muslims because the best Muslims there have emerged out of pure analysis, reason and consience. Thats why you get the group of Harun Yahya. A real model group of modern Muslims in my opinion. Further example would be Bediuzzaman SAid Nursi. We dont have saudi equivalents of Harun Yahya or Bediuzzaman. Intellectuals with deep piety.

[rbVmVlQ2]

Why can't we be happy with other Muslims' success, as long as it's halal?
The Ummah is meant to be one body, isn't it?
Do we always have to demonize part of the ummah?
Let us at least be happy that there are some good news.

[evammaUselp]

True to that. Actually if the thread was started to show the good side of Saudia we shouldnt interrupt the threads objective I realized. There are other threads where people can criticize Saudia' and the ideology.

[nancywind]

[QUOTE=mubakr;783519]

A pure hardworking economy like america. Manufacturing economy, IT, communications e.t.c. They dont sit on cozy cushions and eat dates. They have worked their ass of the last century. SAudi has its good side also - they are charitable country and they organize the hajj pretty well i was told.

But the Islamic ideology pervading there is not the best. I argue against people who say SAudia has the best Islamic system in the world. No wrong. GEnuine Islam is self-practiced ISlam. Only if you have freedom to disbelieve that your belief will be genuine. If you get fed from day 1 to your death about how to behave and forced to do that then thats not genuine practice. I think Turkish Muslims are better than saudi muslims because the best Muslims there have emerged out of pure analysis, reason and consience. Thats why you get the group of Harun Yahya. A real model group of modern Muslims in my opinion. Further example would be Bediuzzaman SAid Nursi. We dont have saudi equivalents of Harun Yahya or Bediuzzaman. Intellectuals with deep piety.

It would be hard to find any Hajj package for this year that is less than $6995 (+ $450 for fee and qurbani)/person from US, for normal 20 day stay. So for a family of 4 the base package would cost about $30,000.00. About 10 years ago it used to be less than $3000 (incl fee etc)/person ($12000 for family of 4).

Harun Yahya has some negative image there was a thread here about him not too long ago, and I think his interpretation of Islam is too liberal.

[Kghyutgykim]

Brother, can you please provide any reference yourself just like you ask bro Taliban1 to do?

I once did a research on how much are Hajj revenues a part of Saudi GDP, I think it was about 10-15% and that was about 2 years ago.

(edit) P.S: I appluade their break through in science and technology as long as they achieve that within the limits of Sharia.

wa alaykum salaam akhi, what specifically would you like a reference for?

I dont deny that they have a lot of income from hajj akhi, thats always been teh case through history as pilgrims need to spend money on food, accomodation etc which goes to the locals living in the peninsular. Nothing wrong with that and nor is it new to Saudi and they certainly invest enough money in the hajj in the first place and not to mention countless reverts getting free hajj paid for by the saudi's which I myself have been offered before.

Everything is halal until its proven haraam so as far as we know their scientific breakthrough's are all shariah compliant inshAllah and beneficial to the ummah

[Kghyutgykim]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I think it is good that Saudi Arabia is making strides towards progress, mashaa Allah.

I think it would best if people stopped viewing the world in just black and white. Are there problems in and with Saudi Arabia? Yes. However, let's not deny the good. At the end of they day, these advcandments were made by individuals who I assume are Muslim, so let's be glad for them at least. If you were a scientist and you made a scientific advancement, would you want your work to be met with a simple, "maashaa Allah", or a long discussion on how your country is evil due to various reasons, reasons which can be applied across the board since all countries are involved in something which is not in line with Islam.

jazak Allahu khair akhi

as teh brother said, noone is saying saudi isnt devoid of issues but the same can be said everywhere including other lands that are regularly praised here like turkey so we should be happy for any muslim land that makes some development and pray taht there is more of it inshAllah as this is how Allahs help will materialise inshAllah, in development, unification and strengthening of the muslim lands bi ithnillah

[drgshmcm]

Saudi could do much more, this cannot be ignored. Riba is a massive crime in fact it is up there with the biggest crime there are. Turning a blind eye against it or ignoring it...is just saying to the naked emporer that he wears nice clothes. Truth demands that the naked emporer is told that he has no clothes on, and this takes courage.

jazak Allahu khair akhi

as teh brother said, noone is saying saudi isnt devoid of issues but the same can be said everywhere including other lands that are regularly praised here like turkey so we should be happy for any muslim land that makes some development and pray taht there is more of it inshAllah as this is how Allahs help will materialise inshAllah, in development, unification and strengthening of the muslim lands bi ithnillah

[Kghyutgykim]

[QUOTE=mubakr;783519]

You cant compare Turkey and Saudia Arabia - Saudia uses foreigner's for all there scientific and technological missions. They import military equipment and weapons. They have black gold which funds everything including the research. Even then I had a reference previously that the entire Arab World including Saudia combined produces less scientific literature than spain alone. But Saudia, Allah having given them the blessing of the most valuable material item - oil and they still have not shown us anything that would strike us with awe. Why? Because the ideology pervading there needs to change. The advances of the turkish are organic, not funded by petrol. A pure hardworking economy like america. Manufacturing economy, IT, communications e.t.c. They dont sit on cozy cushions and eat dates. They have worked their ass of the last century. SAudi has its good side also - they are charitable country and they organize the hajj pretty well i was told.

But the Islamic ideology pervading there is not the best. I argue against people who say SAudia has the best Islamic system in the world. No wrong. GEnuine Islam is self-practiced ISlam. Only if you have freedom to disbelieve that your belief will be genuine. If you get fed from day 1 to your death about how to behave and forced to do that then thats not genuine practice. I think Turkish Muslims are better than saudi muslims because the best Muslims there have emerged out of pure analysis, reason and consience. Thats why you get the group of Harun Yahya. A real model group of modern Muslims in my opinion. Further example would be Bediuzzaman SAid Nursi. We dont have saudi equivalents of Harun Yahya or Bediuzzaman. Intellectuals with deep piety.

well I think that the idea of turkey being better islamicly than saudi is laughable, turkey is a staunch secularist country and has been for the last hundred years. Atheism is rampant, as are bars and alcohol and brothels, turkey has to be one of the least islamic countries.

However, dispite that, i really rate the prime minister, I think he is a good man and I dont care sufi or none sufi it makes no difference as right now we have bigger more important things than being divided politically over sectarianism. I think the prime minister is doing just about everything possible to make turkey a force for good in the islamic world inshAllah and has made massive strides forward mashAllah. However teh criticisms levelled against saudi here all apply to turkey too so those who criticise saudi on the basis of riba etc must also hate turkey.

Its not true that turkey doesnt have oil, or taht turkey doesnt import weaponry from teh kuffar though, I wish people would stick to facts rather than saying what they THINK or WISH was true:

Here is turkeys Tanks and planes:

Main Battle Tanks
Name Type Quantity Origin Notes
Leopard 2A4 Main battle tank 339[citation needed] Germany Surplus German 2A4s. Purchased in 2005.[5] Turkey's Leopard 2 A4s will be upgraded to Leopard 2NG (Next Generation) models with work supervised by Aselsan.[citation needed] The upgrade includes the addition of applique armor (AMAP), upgraded optics, and a new fire control system.[6] Turkey bought another 30 Leopard 2A4 from Germany's arsenal which were out of service.[citation needed]
Leopard 1 Main battle tank 398 Germany 171 Leopard 1T upgraded to 3rd generation standard.
M60T Main battle tank 170 United States/ Israel Extensively upgraded M60 Patton. Upgrade package designed and produced in Israel named Sabra. Upgrades completed in Turkey.
3rd generation standard.
M60A3 TTS Main battle tank 619 United States
M60A3 Main battle tank 752 United States
M60A1 RISE Passive Main battle tank 104 United States
M48A5T1 Main battle tank 619 United States M48A5 with passive night vision and MTU engine. Upgrades completed in Turkey. Probably phased out of active service. To be Completely phased out by introduction Altay tank
M48A5T2 Main battle tank 758 United States Further upgrade of the M48A5T1 with thermal sights, stabilized 105mm gun and laser rangefinder. To be phased out with introduction Altay tank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_...e_Turkish_Army


Turkish Air Force

See also: Turkish Air Force
Aircraft Photo Origin Type Versions Quantity[1] Notes
Fixed-wing aircraft
KC-135R-CRAG Stratotanker USA Aerial Refueling KC-135R 7
Boeing 737 AEW&C USA Airborne Early Warning B737AEWCS 4 on order[2] 1 built by Boeing in Seattle, other 3 by TAI in Ankara
C-130 Hercules USA Cargo Aircraft C-130B/E Erciyes 19 6 more acquired from Saudi Arabia. Upgraded by TAI with modern avionics [3]
C-160 Transall Germany Cargo Aircraft C-160T 16
CN-235 Spain/ Turkey Cargo Aircraft CN-235M-100 52[4]
Gulfstream G550 USA Cargo Aircraft
Command and Control C-20 17
F-16 Fighting Falcon USA/ Turkey Multirole Fighter F-16C
F-16D 222 Upgraded to Block 50 standard,
further 30 F-16 Block 52+ on order.
F-4 Phantom II USA Multirole Fighter
Reconnaissance F-4E Phantom II
RF-4E Phantom II 127
35 54[5] upgraded to Terminator 2020 by IAI and TAI. Şimşek upgrade in progress for improved avionics by ASELSAN[6] One RF-4E downed by Assad Forces in international airspace 22.06.2012. [7]
F-5 2000 USA Trainer Aircraft F-5A
F-5B 87 48 being upgraded as lead-in trainers.
T-38 Talon USA Trainer Aircraft T-38M(Arı) Talon 70 . Upgraded by TAI with modern avionics and safety systems.[8]
T-37 Tweet USA Trainer Aircraft T-37 Tweet 60 Will be phased out.
SF-260 Italy/ Turkey Trainer Aircraft SF-260D 40
Helicopters
Eurocopter Cougar France/ Turkey Utility Helicopter AS-532 20 Used primarily for Search & Rescue.
UH-1 Huey USA Utility Helicopter UH-1H 20
UAVs
GNAT 750 USA Reconnaissance 18
Heron Israel Reconnaissance 10
RQ/MQ-1 Predator USA Reconnaissance 1 5 more on order.
MQ-9 ReaperAnkamale.PNG USA Reconnaissance 4
RQ-7 Shadow USA Reconnaissance 6
Aerostar Israel Reconnaissance 3
TAI Anka Turkey Reconnaissance 0 5 on order [9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...itary_aircraft


They do have some turkey made weaponry though mashAllah and also some plans for getting surveilance sattelites into space amongst other things so I do thing turkey is making good progress also and I will be very happy to hear new developments from turkey and I hope they grow in power inshAllah and that they continue to build relationships with saudi, egypt, tunisia, malaysia, indonesia and any other nation with an islamic orientation inshAllah. We need a powerful alliance between muslim nations along with a strong armed force, defence industry, robust economies, strong believing population, islamcly orientated media, there is much to be done and when we get there inshAllah, and we are powerful enough, inshAllah we can declare khilafah and rule by shariah and we will be too powerful for anyone to invade on account of not wanting us to have our political system of choice. This can only happen if people change their attitudes to the muslim lands though.

Some lands are genuinely ruled by shaytaans, like syria, uzbekistan, etc, and in those situations the ruler needs to be removed, but once the situation is stable, islam is free and teh nation is moving forward and cooperating with other muslim nations then inshAllah they need to be supported by all of us and we should over look their mistakes as its not easy in tehir position

[evammaUselp]

[QUOTE=AbuFatimah;783692]

well I think that the idea of turkey being better islamicly than saudi is laughable, turkey is a staunch secularist country and has been for the last hundred years. Atheism is rampant, as are bars and alcohol and brothels, turkey has to be one of the least islamic countries.

Its not true that turkey doesnt have oil, or taht turkey doesnt import weaponry from teh kuffar though, I wish people would stick to facts rather than saying what they THINK or WISH was true:

Bro dont distort my post. My post clearly implies that saudi backbone is oil and you cant compare Turkey and Saudia. I didnt say Turkey produces everything on their own. However Turkey is the most advanced Muslim nation and the turkish people are predominantly responsible for that, not westerners or other nationals. You cant put saudia and turkey on the same platform - one has worked hard learning the good ideas of the west, importing science and technology, innovating, manufacturing and participating in the global economy through manufacturing and tertiary industries. Where as the other has predominantly gold under their feet which has bought most of what they have including material, technology and science from the west and labourers from philipines, bangladesh and skilled workers from western countries. All this was not bartered for indigenous saudi talent, innovation, hardwork or skill but rather through saudi possession of black gold.

Atheism is rampant in Turkey is a statement you make on hearsay and anecdotal experiences of people. I dont like hearsay because for example I have heard some of my friends say Gays are rampant in Saudia and the guy was an Arab who had lived in saudia. So dont go on hearsay and anecdotes please and make stupid statements like alot of turkish are atheist. What do you want me to say when someone tells me alot of SAudis are homos? As far as I know Turkey is one the the countries where the belief in evolution and darwinism is the least in the world.

And the oil is not a bad thing. It is Allah's blessing to the Saudis. I pray they find more oil and petrol to sustain their quality of life after all they are our muslim brothers and sisters as well who mean no harm but are pervaded by a less than ideal way of Islamic thinking.

[evammaUselp]

All sourced from Wiki to prove that Turks have worked hard to reach where they are. They didnt get free oil or gold under their feet to barter and participate with the world economy. They barter with their sweat, effort, talent and intellect.

The Turkish construction and contracting industry is one of the leading, most competitive and dynamic construction/contracting industries in the world

Turkey has many modern armament manufacturers. Annual exports reached $1,09 billion in 2011.

Turkey is one of the world's leading shipbuilding nations; in 2007 Turkish shipyards ranked 4th in the world (behind China, South Korea and Japan) in terms of the number of ordered ships, and also 4th in the world (behind Italy, USA and Canada) in terms of the number of ordered mega yachts.

TÜLOMSAŞ (1894), TÜVASAŞ (1951) and EUROTEM (2006) are among the major producers of multiple unit trains, locomotives and wagons in Turkey, including high-speed EMU and DMU models.


Turkey has a large and growing automotive industry, which produced 1,024,987 motor vehicles in 2006,[41] ranking as the 7th largest automotive producer in Europe; behind Germany (5,819,614), France (3,174,260), Spain (2,770,435), the United Kingdom (1,648,388), Russia (1,508,358) and Italy (1,211,594), respectively.[42]


Turkish companies made clothing exports worth $13.98 billion in 2006; more than $10.67 billion of which (76.33%) were made to the EU member states.[40]

Turkey's Vestel is the largest TV producer in Europe, accounting for a quarter of all TV sets manufactured and sold on the continent in 2006.[

As of March 2007, Turkey is the world's largest producer of hazelnut, cherry, fig, apricot, quince and pomegranate; the second largest producer of watermelon, cucumber and chickpea; the third largest producer of tomato, eggplant, green pepper, lentil and pistachio; the fourth largest producer of onion and olive; the fifth largest producer of sugar beet; the sixth largest producer of tobacco, tea and apple; the seventh largest producer of cotton and barley; the eighth largest producer of almond; the ninth largest producer of wheat, rye and grapefruit, and the tenth largest producer of lemon.[30


Turkey is an oil and natural gas producer, but the level of production by the state-owned TPAO isn't large enough to make the country self-sufficient, which makes Turkey a net importer of both oil and gas.

Tourism is one of the most dynamic and fastest developing sectors in Turkey. According to travel agencies TUI AG and Thomas Cook, 11 of the 100 best hotels of the world are located in Turkey.[65]

Turkey has the fifth highest direct utilization and capacity of geothermal power in the world.