[tactWeiccaf]

Assalam O Alaikum!

Ah .....

Today I met some Ex-Muslims on the and had a lot of conversation with them. Anyhow, long story in short, what I feel that they didn't get a right teacher to handle and then track back to deviation. Even few of them were born Muslims

[bubbachew14]

Assalam O Alaikum!

Ah .....

Today I met some Ex-Muslims on the and had a lot of conversation with them. Anyhow, long story in short, what I feel that they didn't get a right teacher to handle and then track back to deviation. Even few of them were born Muslims

I have been doing that for a few weeks by now - some times because of the events here.

Anyway, do not be hard on yourself. If possible bring them over here. It's time to do some laundry.

[tactWeiccaf]

I have been doing that for a few weeks by now - some times because of the events here.

Anyway, do not be hard on yourself. If possible bring them over here. It's time to do some laundry.

They wont come, wont listen to me ever

[Solo3uc4]

painful, atleast we can make dua for them.

[tactWeiccaf]

painful, atleast we can make dua for them.

My duas are with them but still I feel like I must do something for them.

[myspacecoo]

My duas are with them but still I feel like I must do something for them.

you can write about it: a series of articles on 'why islam' and publish it on the internet and to the forums frequented by the ex-muslims. keep it simple. you already know most of what is required to be written. alhamdulillah.

[wgX44EEn]

Sometime these incidents stregthen our faith.

That slight moment of weakness in emaan is extinguished by the nature of the simplistic refutation in their defence of apostasy.

Examine the questions, let your emotion take the back seat, you will find they are exactly those question muslims get everyday ? They didnt come with anything new, did they ?

[santorio]

My duas are with them but still I feel like I must do something* for them.

that something is called dua/dawah o tabligh / dua / dawah o tabligh / dua post tahajjud/ sadaqah - don't waste time on blogs - imho.

[Xcqjwarl]

Assalam O Alaikum!

Ah .....

Today I met some Ex-Muslims on the and had a lot of conversation with them. Anyhow, long story in short, what I feel that they didn't get a right teacher to handle and then track back to deviation. Even few of them were born Muslims

Walaikum as sallam. Instead of getting depressed , you should equip yourself with the knowledge which is needed to refute the claims of ex-Muslims. More and more Muslims are needed to work on it as it is a new phenomena and we are yet to accustom ourselves to it.

[myspacecoo]

that something is called dua/dawah o tabligh / dua / dawah o tabligh / dua post tahajjud/ sadaqah - don't waste time on blogs - imho.

i was just talking to a friend of mine on this very topic. blogs, webistes, articles are not mutually exclusive to dawah in the classical sense. why cant we have both? there are so many educated muslims who do not visit mosques or run away from jamatis. yet they spend hours on the net reading rubbish from secular/liberals. should that medium not be utilized to give our side of the story?
i have never seen an ex-muslim in my life, but i have read many.

[irrawnWab]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum Brother:

May Allah guide you, me, and all of us to the Straight Path.

Brother, I would not advise trying to refute any claims of ex-Muslims, because Subhanallah, I have seen many times people try to do so with good intentions and instead having their own imaan fall to the doubts exemplified by the ex-Muslims. This is not to say, Brother, that they cannot be refuted; yes, they can. However, Brother, without a solid grounding of knowledge (as Brother Dr. Ati implied), I wouldn't advise anyone to try to debate with ex-Muslims. In fact, in general, I would never advise anyone to debate anyone because, most of the time, such debates turn into a contest of egos, and Allah's support is lifted at that time and instead shaitaan makes headway into the debate. Remember, Brother, that Allah only supports missions which are undertaken for His sake and remain so from beginning to the end for His Honor and Glory, not vainglory.

Also, Brother, honestly, there are many different reasons people might leave Islam, and outwardly, yes they seem to have to do with Islam; however, it might have to do simply with maybe perceiving as having no support from Allah in a bad time, or ignorance about Islam, or bad experience with Muslims, or lack of understanding with regards to either Quran or ahadith, or bad cultural treatment or unsavory cultural elements that is believed to represent Islam. So, those ex-Muslims, Subhanallah, if a person tries to correct them, might yet be persuaded to come back to Islam if Allah so Wills their Guidance.

However, Brother, the most dangerous category of ex-Muslims, which I see emerging today, are those who are moving either socially or politically and forming ex-Muslim groups; Brother, such ex-Muslims are cursed, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that almost all of them will die in that state. Brother, the reason, I say this is because such ex-Muslims' hearts are so black (figuratively and literally in spiritual terms) that the only respite to be found from their hatred and vitriol against Islam are their deaths, as Willed by Allah, in their Appointed Time. And such ex-Muslims will prove a trial to whomever comes into contact with them, friend or foe, because the dangerous combination of their rage, fear, and enmity makes them adopt a "take no prisoners" attitude. They will always support the kuffar and will not rest easy until they see all Muslims following their suit. Also, what makes of them some even more dangerous is their honeyed forked tongues. I would advise for people to leave their case to Allah, because Allah knows all that they do and all that their breasts contain. For us, we cannot do anything for them, because Allah has willed for them to not receive Guidance, not through us and not through His signs.

(Also, there is no doubt in my mind that one of the reasons Islam decrees capital punishment for apostates are that they spread their fitnah to other Muslims, and at least some of them would be warmongers against an Islamic state if they were allowed to choose exile; also, I know that some Muslims argue for leniency and clemency for apostates, but the truth is that, I truly believe, most apostates (specifically of the enumerated second category herein) would never argue for the same if the situations were reversed. People forget: People forget, as clemency and mercy define the believers, but Allah tells us in the Quran what is the heart of the unbelievers... They would that they could turn us from the Straight Path any which way they could.)

So, by all means, Brother, make dua, but do not let them find in you a friend when they choose Misguidance over Guidance and Allah affirms their choice in His Will.

And Allah knows best.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[santorio]

i was just talking to a friend of mine on this very topic. blogs, webistes, articles are not mutually exclusive to dawah in the classical sense. why cant we have both? there are so many educated muslims who do not visit mosques or run away from jamatis. yet they spend hours on the net reading rubbish from secular/liberals. should that medium not be utilized to give our side of the story?
i have never seen an ex-muslim in my life, but i have read many.

good question, the effort of the sahabah ra which we are told to copy has amazing effects, and you can see that happening all over the world, what Allah SWT wants is sacrifice, of health, wealth and time, which doesn't happen on blogs forums - they only encourage arguments and debates, one question leads to an other, thats why when in khurooj we are told to try utmost to bring the brothers into the masjid and talk to him in a deeni environment of the masjid, the noorani atmosphere has its effects, blogs don't forums don't have this, thats why our ulamah's say to stay away from even getting your Deen through tv's and all.

the best form of dawah was how the sahabah ra practiced, marqaz says if there was ever a better form of dawah, Allah SWT would have the Prophets pbut and Sahabah ra practice upon it before us.

[santorio]

Hazratji II [ml yusufji rh] clearly says our dawah is still in 'naql' mode, 'asal' dawah is yet to start.
please read his 6 points.

[wgX44EEn]

good question, the effort of the sahabah ra which we are told to copy has amazing effects, and you can see that happening all over the world, what Allah SWT wants is sacrifice, of health, wealth and time, which doesn't happen on blogs forums - they only encourage arguments and debates, one question leads to an other, thats why when in khurooj we are told to try utmost to bring the brothers into the masjid and talk to him in a deeni environment of the masjid, the noorani atmosphere has its effects, blogs don't forums don't have this, thats why our ulamah's say to stay away from even getting your Deen through tv's and all.

the best form of dawah was how the sahabah ra practiced, marqaz says if there was ever a better form of dawah, Allah SWT would have the Prophets pbut and Sahabah ra practice upon it before us.

We dont want to encourage too much debate ? Arguments are down to individuals intention, and its easier to cease debate online, than walk away off line.

Blogs are self written, self-publishing platforms.
Forums are usually user driven content, where moderators check content and behaviour.

They are two different platforms to propogate Islam. Just as print media and newpapers and fliers are offline methods

They can be privately or company owned and operated.

Blogs are more restrictive, as each comment is normally moderated before approval.
Forum comments are applied and retrospectively moderated after approval

Arguably in reach, online methods are, cheaper, faster, more responsive, user friendly, interactive, and have massive more reach

Offline methods are expensive, have far less reach, are non-responsive, non-interactive

On a personal level a face to face approach is miles more effective than any publication online or offline. So i agree with you on this

Blogs and forums are tools, just like radio, tv, film, cds, dvds, memory sticks, directories, fliers etc etc

[santorio]

We dont want to encourage too much debate ? Arguments are down to individuals intention, and its easier to cease debate online, than walk away off line.

Blogs are self written, self-publishing platforms.
Forums are usually user driven content, where moderators check content and behaviour.

They are two different platforms to propogate Islam. Just as print media and newpapers and fliers are offline methods

They can be privately or company owned and operated.

Blogs are more restrictive, as each comment is normally moderated before approval.
Forum comments are applied and retrospectively moderated after approval

Arguably in reach, online methods are, cheaper, faster, more responsive, user friendly, interactive, and have massive more reach

Offline methods are expensive, have far less reach, are non-responsive, non-interactive

On a personal level a face to face approach is miles more effective than any publication online or offline. So i agree with you on this

Blogs and forums are tools, just like radio, tv, film, cds, dvds, memory sticks, directories, fliers etc etc

Well brother, I think we all agree on the best and most effective method. Lets leave it at that.

[myspacecoo]

good question, the effort of the sahabah ra which we are told to copy has amazing effects, and you can see that happening all over the world, what Allah SWT wants is sacrifice, of health, wealth and time, which doesn't happen on blogs forums - they only encourage arguments and debates, one question leads to an other, thats why when in khurooj we are told to try utmost to bring the brothers into the masjid and talk to him in a deeni environment of the masjid, the noorani atmosphere has its effects, blogs don't forums don't have this, thats why our ulamah's say to stay away from even getting your Deen through tv's and all.

the best form of dawah was how the sahabah ra practiced, marqaz says if there was ever a better form of dawah, Allah SWT would have the Prophets pbut and Sahabah ra practice upon it before us.

well if you try and make an effort to research your articles before writing them and then spreading the word that is indeed sacrifice of your time, health and money. try doing it then you shall see.
it is astonishing how one can mix blogs and forums. brother equalizer has given proper definitions for that. the point is to just put the islamic perspective online without encouraging debates and arguments.
you have to make provisions for those who do not wish to attend the masjid. or are in another geographical location that you cant possibly reach out to them via one-to-one speaking.
and again there is no competition as to which is the best form of dawah and it is not an educated argument to say had there been a better form of dawah Allah (SWT) would have told the Prophets (PBUT). there was no internet then. blogging is just an extension of work of tableegh.

instead of supporting each other's efforts we are discouraging one another. this is a fail.

[Ettiominiw]

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That wasnt necessary bro.

[myspacecoo]

That wasnt necessary bro.

it was. not joining in the efforts of others, hostility towards other forms of dawah and inability to extend one's approach to newer problems is a problem in itself. some things are not as mutually exclusive as they are made out to be.

[santorio]

well if you try and make an effort to research your articles before writing them and then spreading the word that is indeed sacrifice of your time, health and money. try doing it then you shall see.
it is astonishing how one can mix blogs and forums. brother equalizer has given proper definitions for that. the point is to just put the islamic perspective online without encouraging debates and arguments.
you have to make provisions for those who do not wish to attend the masjid. or are in another geographical location that you cant possibly reach out to them via one-to-one speaking.
and again there is no competition as to which is the best form of dawah and it is not an educated argument to say had there been a better form of dawah Allah (SWT) would have told the Prophets (PBUT). there was no internet then. blogging is just an extension of work of tableegh.

instead of supporting each other's efforts we are discouraging one another. this is a fail.

Allah SWT could have even got the internet at that time if He wanted just like He granted total rule over the world to prophet Sulaiman [a. s] so much so that Hadrath [a.s] could even speak to the animals and commanded the winds to do his bidding. Was there technology [as we understand] at that time? Were there concords at that time to make Hadrath [a.s] to fly in the air? Allah SWT did make that happen.

Allah SWT could make the stick of Hadrath Moosa [a.s] to turn into a snake - Allah SWT can do anything at any time, He doesn't need a blueprint.
Please lets not use our aql in these matters.

bro, you are a sweet guy, please, no need to get angry, i had the same thoughts once, i too have had blogs once [come on, i post on SF too] been using the net too for more than decade - and i've had these thoughts before.

i don't want to get into this debate, leave in khurooj and ask Allah SWT yourself.

i'm NOT discouraging you or anybody else from blogging, I enjoy SF's blogs, just that I think people who could have been driving an F1 car for big bucks are driving taxis. Clearly they should be doing what they more capable of.

[myspacecoo]

Allah SWT could have even got the internet at that time if He wanted just like He granted total rule over the world to prophet Sulaiman [a. s] so much so that Hadrath [a.s] could even speak to the animals and commanded the winds to do his bidding. Was there technology [as we understand] at that time? Were there concords at that time to make Hadrath [a.s] to fly in the air? Allah SWT did make that happen.

Allah SWT could make the stick of Hadrath Moosa [a.s] to turn into a snake - Allah SWT can do anything at any time, He doesn't need a blueprint.
Please lets not use our aql in these matters.

bro, you are a sweet guy, please, no need to get angry, i had the same thoughts once, i too have had blogs once [come on, i post on SF too] been using the net too for more than decade - and i've had these thoughts before.

i don't want to get into this debate, leave in khurooj and ask Allah SWT yourself.

i'm NOT discouraging you or anybody else from blogging, I enjoy SF's blogs, just that I think people who could have been driving an F1 car for big bucks are driving taxis. Clearly they should be doing what they more capable of.

Allah (SWT) decides when it is appropriate for humans to invent something. for eg. the internet. with the correct methodology it can become a gift. i took from your post that you were discouraging people from blogging so i spoke out since blogging isnt anti-thesis of dawah and is much needed. but since you state that wasnt the case. so no issues.
i had plans for khurooj to lahore. but didnt get even a single day off : (