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Old 05-16-2012, 09:35 AM   #21
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Assalamu Aleikum.

First of all, Zakir Naik is a Daa'ie and a very good one at that. He gives clarifications out of what he has learnt, and he mentions repeatedly that he's not a scholar. In many instances, he does not provide answers to questions for which he has no knowledge, or gives an opinion from what he knows prefacing (or providing disclaimers) it sufficiently.

For people to claim that he chooses weak opponents is not correct. He travels quite a bit, and he cant always ensure he has weak opponents. In any case, this is not a battle but an intellectual discourse through which the general public gets knowledge that they didnt have before. Is all his knowledge perfect? Absolutely not. But show me anyone who is correct all the time except Allah swt and his Rasool .

Please also let us know why you want an answer to this question. Would his opinion make a differerence to you going or not going in the path of TJ? If yes, I would strongly recommend that you pursue an ulemaa in your locality and get specific answers to your questions directly. If you're just asking to get a frame of reference to judge where on the spectrum he falls, I have nothing to say.

Allah swt knows best, and may He guide us all.
I ask this question as I have much reverence on the Peace TV speakers.
I know that all of the speakers have either neutral or slightly positive views on TJ. This includes Yusuf Estes, Asim Al Hakeem, Sh Salleh, Bilal Philips and etc

I have not heard so regarding Zakir Naik.

It would have been more appropriate for Zakir Naik to simply say he don't have enough knowledge with regards to TJ. But I guess from what you explain that was his position.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:52 AM   #22
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Brother does it really matter what he thinks?

Your making zakir naik a authority on islam, which he clearly is not! If he agrees or not how should that effect you?


Why do people give such positions to people when the qualifications required to be in such positions is not found by a thousand miles.

just look in the light of the quran, hadith and lives of sahaba and you will find the answers you reqiure for the effort of dawah and tabligh.
That's exactly what I was thinking.

Brother Duetomyweekness, you spend so much time in trying to confront and convince people who are against TJ. I have noticed so many of your threads on these type of topics on the ummah forum as well and I have advised you to direct your efforts on things that our ulama in tabligh encourage us to do.

So try to utilize your time and effort in inviting people towards deen of Allah and not towards TJ. This is what I heard in a bayan in our Brisbane Ijtema last month from a khudama brother from Sydney. Also, try to involve in 5 a'amaal and that is more important for our ownself rather than trying to convince those that oppose the effort. Because, in reality those who oppose are a tiny minority while majority either like the effort of tabligh or are neutral. So you have a vast majority to make effort on those who do not oppose the effort. Utilize your time in a wise way.

Make ihtisaab of ourself, whether we are doing the effort in the way our ulama advice us to do. Are we sitting in daily fikr & mashoora at the masjid? Are we attending daily taleem at the masjid? Are we conducting daily taleem at our homes? Are we doing weekly jaulah of our masjid and are we attending jaulah of the neighbouring masjid? Are spending time daily to meet brothers to give them dawah every day? Are we spending 3 days every month on tarteeb?

These are the things that we need to worry about first rather than trying to convince people who are opposing the effort.

May Allah give us the correct understanding of the blessed effort of deen. I advise myself first before you.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:45 PM   #23
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Maulana ,do you have a mp3 of this lecture?
yes
but this is a cut part of this bayan
http://archive.org/details/ToubaKiAh...thor03-06-2011
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:18 PM   #24
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The issue is not whether he is scholar or not... I am sure none of you will accept the opinions of those scholars, regardless of their correctness, who had negative views on TJ. That is just about who you take from.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:48 PM   #25
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I ask this question as I have much reverence on the Peace TV speakers.
I know that all of the speakers have either neutral or slightly positive views on TJ. This includes Yusuf Estes, Asim Al Hakeem, Sh Salleh, Bilal Philips and etc

I have not heard so regarding Zakir Naik.

It would have been more appropriate for Zakir Naik to simply say he don't have enough knowledge with regards to TJ. But I guess from what you explain that was his position.

Brother, do you really think that the opinions of these people matter in some way?
The work is open and its benefits are open. If you are involved in the work, then continue to do it quietly and diligently.
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:33 PM   #26
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

Brother Duetomyweekness, you spend so much time in trying to confront and convince people who are against TJ. I have noticed so many of your threads on these type of topics on the ummah forum as well and I have advised you to direct your efforts on things that our ulama in tabligh encourage us to do.

So try to utilize your time and effort in inviting people towards deen of Allah and not towards TJ. This is what I heard in a bayan in our Brisbane Ijtema last month from a khudama brother from Sydney. Also, try to involve in 5 a'amaal and that is more important for our ownself rather than trying to convince those that oppose the effort. Because, in reality those who oppose are a tiny minority while majority either like the effort of tabligh or are neutral. So you have a vast majority to make effort on those who do not oppose the effort. Utilize your time in a wise way.

Make ihtisaab of ourself, whether we are doing the effort in the way our ulama advice us to do. Are we sitting in daily fikr & mashoora at the masjid? Are we attending daily taleem at the masjid? Are we conducting daily taleem at our homes? Are we doing weekly jaulah of our masjid and are we attending jaulah of the neighbouring masjid? Are spending time daily to meet brothers to give them dawah every day? Are we spending 3 days every month on tarteeb?

These are the things that we need to worry about first rather than trying to convince people who are opposing the effort.

May Allah give us the correct understanding of the blessed effort of deen. I advise myself first before you.
That's your opinion. That's why I'm in forums anyway. To listen to other opinions. There's no need to deny them.
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:37 PM   #27
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Brother, do you really think that the opinions of these people matter in some way?
The work is open and its benefits are open. If you are involved in the work, then continue to do it quietly and diligently.
What I mean is Zakir Naik is neutral towards TJ. The video also implies that he doesn't know much about TJ to judge it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:39 PM   #28
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What I mean is Zakir Naik is neutral towards TJ. The video also implies that he doesn't know much about TJ to judge it.
What I mean is what does it matter what Naik thinks about it, whether he knows about it or not.
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:44 PM   #29
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What I mean is what does it matter what Naik thinks about it, whether he knows about it or not.
It doesn't matter of course. It just matter's to me alone and only matter's if he's against it.
And seems like he isn't against TJ. Just neutral.
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:50 PM   #30
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What we've become...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Biqc1dI#t=197s Every new kid on the block who does not agree with TJ or Deoband or generally with the teachings of asw jamah, ^thats our reaction. Honestly, can't we move on? Note for sisters: Ghayr mahram in video.

Not referring to bro Due2...
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:57 PM   #31
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What we've become...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Biqc1dI#t=197s Every new kid on the block who does not agree with TJ or Deoband or generally with the teachings of asw jamah, ^thats our reaction. Honestly, can't we move on? Note for sisters: Ghayr mahram in video.

Not referring to bro Due2...
Thanks for sharing the video
BTW, What reaction are you referring to?
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Old 05-16-2012, 05:18 PM   #32
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Thanks for sharing the video
BTW, What reaction are you referring to?
the online and offline world is full of material regarding the huqq that tabligh is on, there are millions of karguzaris, if anybody is ignorant of the benefits that the work has produced, then he is lying, he is in one word....feigning ignorance, for such people there's no debating no arguing only duas, forget them and move on, but our reaction has become like rp, everytime someone points a finger at us, we are out to prove him wrong, there will always be people who'll oppose, and will be so until the last day.

for the last time on this, when people talk of following Quran and Ahadith (sihah sittah, bukhari, etc etc) i can only remember this post by Nomadic:
Here
I didn't want to have a go regd zakir naik, but when he spoke of strong, weak and 'stories' and following Quran, he is doing all that wearing blazers and a tie as i said i wouldn't have said it if he hadn't spoken that way, in tabligh we are strongly advised to look at only the good, so he has a beard (jama'l i believe) and wears topee too, so he seems a good man though, let him prove peace tv from quran & ahadith, he needs to read hayatus sahabah, tabligh tarteeb of nizamuddin is most closest to quran and sunnah (ahadith, sihah sittah, bukhari, tirmizi, ibn majah etc etc etc etc then anything else, but he should refrain from giving opinions of subjects he doesn't know, if there was no tabligh in hind, imagine what'd have happened. pls no more posts regd this from me. period.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:15 AM   #33
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All aspects of Tabligh Jamaat are derived from
1. Quran
2. Hadith
3. Life of Prophet SAW
4. Life of Sahabas

A question of Anti Tabligh who tells that Dawah is for non muslims.

If you do dawah showing the Quran; Imagine if the Non Muslim asks you where are the muslims today mentioned here?
Where are going to keep you face. Please dont make people turn away from Islam.
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