[b91ZmxzX]

The Arab Shaykh and Mufti of Iraq, Mufti Abd al-Malik Sa'di was asked about cutting the beard before fist length and he replied that this is the act of the effeminate one [mukhannath].

See this topic on an Arabic forum where this brother asked his own Shaykh about this and posted about it: http://www.aslein.net/showthread.php?t=10519

A short biography and interview in Arabic can be found here: http://al-raeed.com/preview.php?id=1872

His advice to the Mujahideen in Iraq can also be found here: http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?t=254524

[bumxumer]

The Arab Shaykh and Mufti of Iraq, Mufti Abd al-Malik Sa'di was asked about cutting the beard before fist length and he replied that this is the act of the effeminate one [mukhannath].

See this topic on an Arabic forum where this brother asked his own Shaykh about this and posted about it: http://www.aslein.net/showthread.php?t=10519

A short biography and interview in Arabic can be found here: http://al-raeed.com/preview.php?id=1872

His advice to the Mujahideen in Iraq can also be found here: http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?t=254524

a/w brother what does mukhannath mean? does it mean (cross gender?, tranvesti? cross bread?) in urdu they say (kusrah) in india (hijroh) is this correct?

[Ferkilort]

The Arab Shaykh and Mufti of Iraq, Mufti Abd al-Malik Sa'di was asked about cutting the beard before fist length and he replied that this is the act of the effeminate one [mukhannath].

See this topic on an Arabic forum where this brother asked his own Shaykh about this and posted about it: http://www.aslein.net/showthread.php?t=10519

A short biography and interview in Arabic can be found here: http://al-raeed.com/preview.php?id=1872

His advice to the Mujahideen in Iraq can also be found here: http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?t=254524

what mazhab he follows?

[wizardasa]

This guy needs to worry about the deplorable state of Iraq.

Nothing looks more foolish than a shaykh talking about the length of beards of 100s of millions of Muslims while his country has been buried in wars, killing, corruption, criminalism, fratricide for years.

Clean up your house brother. Start with the major munkar and fitnah plaguing your house.

Has this shaykh ever walked through the souq in his nieghborhood and provided dawah to the men there, like the Prophet (saaw) did? Has he advised the men lingering outside the masjid to come inside for a short lesson, or just to pray?

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Assalamalikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu

can any one explain what is the difference between deen and mazhab
Jzakallah
amar

[Nurse_sero]

Can you tell me what the difference between Hadith and Sunnah is?

[greekbeast]

The Arab Shaykh and Mufti of Iraq, Mufti Abd al-Malik Sa'di was asked about cutting the beard before fist length and he replied that this is the act of the effeminate one [mukhannath].[/url]

As far as I can tell from the biography the mufti doesn't ascribe to or judge according to a specific madhhab, but maybe I have misunderstood the Arabic.

As for "mukhannath" then it is not (as far as I know) a word that refers to someone who "changes" their gender (which is of course impossible in reality), but rather an effeminate man (a man who is womanly, acts like a woman or tries to appear like a woman etc.).

[GAGNAPPEAPH]

This guy needs to worry about the deplorable state of Iraq.

I'm sure he probably is, a lot more than you and I are.

Nothing looks more foolish than a shaykh talking about the length of beards of 100s of millions of Muslims while his country has been buried in wars, killing, corruption, criminalism, fratricide for years. Right, because I'm sure ALL he ever talks about is beards. Instead he should give every single speech and discussion about what you think is most important, and even if someone asks him a question about the beard, he should reply with an answer about war and corruption.
The only way to solve "wars, killing, corruption, criminalism, fratricide" is for Muslims to hold onto the deen of Islam. All this fasaad is a result of our own actions on an individual level.


Clean up your house brother. Start with the major munkar and fitnah plaguing your house. What should he be doing specifically?

Has this shaykh ever walked through the souq in his nieghborhood and provided dawah to the men there, like the Prophet (saaw) did? Has he advised the men lingering outside the masjid to come inside for a short lesson, or just to pray? Probably. Are you assuming that he doesn't? Because you should have husn-e-thann.

[pBiRXp8u]

what mazhab he follows?

It appears that he is Hanafi. The poster who asked him the question is also a Hanafi scholar and the Shaykh himself has a commentary on al-`Aqa'id al-Nasafiyya.

[grinaJanoDant]

As Salamu alaikum,

I remember seeing the Mufti of 'Iraq at a Mawlid in Malaysia last year. He have a very short beard, wonder if it is the same mufti or not...

[wowwieholmes]

This guy needs to worry about the deplorable state of Iraq.

Nothing looks more foolish than a shaykh talking about the length of beards of 100s of millions of Muslims while his country has been buried in wars, killing, corruption, criminalism, fratricide for years.

Clean up your house brother. Start with the major munkar and fitnah plaguing your house.

Has this shaykh ever walked through the souq in his nieghborhood and provided dawah to the men there, like the Prophet (saaw) did? Has he advised the men lingering outside the masjid to come inside for a short lesson, or just to pray?

Couldnt agree with you more Brother , but superficiality is not the preserve of such people only..many Muslims fell victim to this too, you can see it here with the endless debates about you guessed it..beards, who to pray behind and who not to, sadl versus for qabd etc etc



and for the brother who asked what Mukhannath means it basically means an effeminate gay man. I can't believe he actually said that..

[greekbeast]

and for the brother who asked what Mukhannath means it basically means an effeminate gay man. I can't believe he actually said that..

Plenty of scholars of old used similar expressions:

“It is prohibited for a man to cut his beard ... as for
cutting it shorter than a fist-length - as is done by
some people from the west and by the effeminate men
- no one permits this. And as for shaving it completely,
it is the doing of the Indian Jews and the Persian
Magians” [Al-Durr al-Mukhtar] And from a famous Maliki scholar, Ibn 'Abdil-Barr (rahimahuLlah):

“It is prohibited to shave the beard, and it is not done
except by effeminate men.”[Al-Tamhid]

[2puO4Rhf]

Plenty of scholars of old used similar expressions:



And from a famous Maliki scholar, Ibn 'Abdil-Barr (rahimahuLlah):

It's not much, seeing the fact that Rasulullah himself actually turned away from the two shaved/mustached Persian men.

[wizardasa]

Plenty of scholars of old used similar expressions:



And from a famous Maliki scholar, Ibn 'Abdil-Barr (rahimahuLlah):

Except shaykh ibn Abdul Barr (rhm) passed in 463 AH. The era has everything to do with the matter. It used to be that a Muslim who wore the clothes or suit identified as Western was a fasiq and possibly treasonous. Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet.

The fatawa also used to say the worshipper who didnt cover his head was in ithm and his salah was deficient. Now the ithm has been lifted by many ulama.

Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men.

But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue.

A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt.

And Western governments use 'think tanks' and 'foundations' and NGOs as fronts in Muslim countries to fund pro gay 'sexual rights'. Increasingly, gays in the Muslim world have access to Western funds and influence such as global media attention and political pressure to advance their interests.

So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response?

Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism.

[greekbeast]

Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet.

That, in my humble opinion, is not a dalil for anything. And I don't think the norm for traditional 'ulama is to wear a suit and tie. Wa Allahu a'lam.

(Not trying to get into a "suit and tie is haram/halal" discussion)

Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men.

Again, not a dalil for anything. We were told by the Prophet to differ from the disbelievers, be they gay or straight. A lot of the top designers (haute couture etc.) are gay men. Naturally they "push" the fashion in a direction that appeals to them (making women look like boys and men look like boys or even transvestites). Wonder were the "metrosexual" thing came from?

But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue.

Who says you can't do both? It's like Hizb ut-Tahrir saying "we can't work for charitable organisations, because it is a task for the KHILAFAH!" - So let's let our brothers and sisters starve, because we have to pass out some Khilafah pamphlets...

A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt.

Yes, it's a disgrace and the 'ulama SHOULD address this.

So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response?

First of all, are you certain that this shaykh did not address that issue in another fatwa or speech?

Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism.

Who said it wasn't about that? Look at pictures of the Muslim men from before the colonization - nearly everyone had a beard. Even in places like Turkey and Bosnia...

[b91ZmxzX]

This guy needs to worry about the deplorable state of Iraq.

Nothing looks more foolish than a shaykh talking about the length of beards of 100s of millions of Muslims while his country has been buried in wars, killing, corruption, criminalism, fratricide for years.

You mean nothing looks more foolish than an ignorant layman like you claiming to know it better than the Mufti of Iraq. And if you cared to read through his interviews, you would have seen that he DOES discuss the situation in Iraq. I gave you a link where he gives advice to the fighters in Iraq.

You don't have a problem with this Mufti, but with the Messenger of Allah, who even though was attacked all the time by his enemies and his followers being killed, still talked about ALL aspects of ibada, including the beard.

This is the case of every Shaykh, who will answer every question he was asked even the circumstances he is living is, are gettign worse day by day.

According to your foolish attitude, one should stop learning the knowledge of one's prayer and other necessary knowledge, because there are so-called "bigger things" to discuss in one's community.

If was for this reason that Shaykh Masood Azhar, the leader of the Jihadi organisation Jaishe Muhammad, would talk about the importance of the beard in his jihadi lectures, and woud cry from his heart that "I can not see some one with a beard in the streets. Is this the land of the Muslims or is this the land of the unbelievers?"

If only you would have understand the reality of the sunnah, and blessings attached to it. Only through this process of following the sunnah, all other issues can be solved.

[GAGNAPPEAPH]

It used to be that a Muslim who wore the clothes or suit identified as Western was a fasiq and possibly treasonous.

a) Yep. It's still like that.

Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet. b) Yeah, clearly you need to look more carefully at who YOU are considering an alim.

The fatawa also used to say the worshipper who didnt cover his head was in ithm and his salah was deficient. see a) above.

Now the ithm has been lifted by many ulama. see b) above.

rinse, repeat.

How is it that you are openly seeing and admitting that some people are attempting to change the Shariah and make the impermissible permissible just to please the non-Muslims, but still you are considering them "alims".

This is baffling to me.

[wowwieholmes]

What is so offensive about Western suits and ties? Brother Usama aren't you being culturally insensitive? In this board there are Muslims from European cultures and who adhere and cherish their European culture and traditions that were handed down to them..the same way that people who are of Indo-Pak backgrounds cherish the customs and traditions they were brought up in.

The Kurta is no different to the Western suit. They are both equally valid. Allah s.w.t tells us in the Qur'an that its one of His miracles that we're diverse have different colours and tongues etc. You don't like Western dress or even recognise that there can ever be any good in their culture.Fine. I'm sure you will find your equals in Dagenham and elsewhere who equally totally abhor your Kurtas and Shalwars and Topis and everything in your culture.

[yarita]

What is so offensive about Western suits and ties? Brother Usama aren't you being culturally insensitive? In this board there are Muslims from European cultures and who adhere and cherish their European culture and traditions that were handed down to them..the same way that people who are of Indo-Pak backgrounds cherish the customs and traditions they were brought up in.

The Kurta is no different to the Western suit. They are both equally valid. Allah s.w.t tells us in the Qur'an that its one of His miracles that we're diverse have different colours and tongues etc. You don't like Western dress or even recognise that there can ever be any good in their culture.Fine. I'm sure you will find your equals in Dagenham and elsewhere who equally totally abhor your Kurtas and Shalwars and Topis and everything in your culture.

Kurtha and and western suits are not the same!! they are not equal. kurta adhere's to the sharia but western suits do not

[2puO4Rhf]

What is so offensive about Western suits and ties? Brother Usama aren't you being culturally insensitive? In this board there are Muslims from European cultures and who adhere and cherish their European culture and traditions that were handed down to them..the same way that people who are of Indo-Pak backgrounds cherish the customs and traditions they were brought up in.

The Kurta is no different to the Western suit. They are both equally valid. Allah s.w.t tells us in the Qur'an that its one of His miracles that we're diverse have different colours and tongues etc. You don't like Western dress or even recognise that there can ever be any good in their culture.Fine. I'm sure you will find your equals in Dagenham and elsewhere who equally totally abhor your Kurtas and Shalwars and Topis and everything in your culture.

Sister, you are assuming too much aren't you? You just assumed that br Usama is from Indo-Pak, you've assumed he wears kurta shalwars. And btw, topi/cap/kufi/qalansuwa is an established sunnah of Rasulullah , in case you didn't know.

From your other posts, it seems you have a dislike for Indo-Pak. I hope I am mistaken, but to automatically assume someone is Indo-Pak when it is something you disagree with is wrong and almost seems a little racist. Please be careful.