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ASWW
Do reverts carry their cultural baggage too and seem to hinder their progress in comprehending some Islamic issues?
For example: Superiority Complex and falling down in prostration before Allah the Almighty?

Also their perceived superiority complex over other nations and now having to listen to them ... etc.

Thoughts please....

[Hankie]

So true.
I'm glad you started this thread.
Indeed any convert may carry with him cultural baggage, but I think that white western converts are those carrying the most of it, especially a lot of kibr and superiority complex.

[anfuckinggs]

Depends on the individual and the company he keeps.

[Aswdwdfg]

I think that the cultural baggage that white reverts carry around is mainly beneficial for the ummah.

Whereas, the cultural baggage of born muslims from third world countries is largely a hinderance and problematic.

[timgillmoreeztf]

I think that the cultural baggage that white reverts carry around is mainly beneficial for the ummah.

Whereas, the cultural baggage of born muslims from third world countries is largely a hinderance and problematic.

ASWW
I need to understand this more!
How can someone feeling superior and not easily understanding bowing down to Allah being beneficial to Islam.
Also why are the orientalists judged here! They never judged anyone! Infact they encourage reverts to revert!

I still feel these superior beings think high and mighty about themselves and cannot fathom someone else to tell them... well.... everything you have doing thinking and teaching the world is wrong!!

[Aswdwdfg]

I still feel these superior beings think high and mighty about themselves and cannot fathom someone else to tell them... well.... everything you have doing thinking and teaching the world is wrong!!

LOL, now we see who really has a huge superiority complex!!

[CathBraun]

I think that the cultural baggage that white reverts carry around is mainly beneficial for the ummah.

Whereas, the cultural baggage of born muslims from third world countries is largely a hinderance and problematic.

Sorry, this makes no sense.

How is it beneficial?

[DeronBoltonRen]

I completely disagree with this; it seems as if people have taken current events on this forum as an excuse to lash out at all "reverts". I find this particularly troubling as I've always found this forum to be very welcoming and supportive.

You can't stereotype all "reverts". Every single individual who has embraced Islam without being born into it is a different person, in a different situation, with different personalities. We aren't some hive-minded ant colony or swarm of robots that all think and behave the same way. I do agree that some people have trouble throwing out their previous beliefs and "baggage" after coming to Islam, but I don't think it's the major problem you seem to be saying it is—and it is certainly not only white "reverts" who have this problem.

I think that the cultural baggage that white reverts carry around is mainly beneficial for the ummah.

Whereas, the cultural baggage of born muslims from third world countries is largely a hinderance and problematic.

This is absolutely ridiculous as well. As a fellow white "revert" I disagree with you completely, and I cannot even say Islam is the sole reason. The degeneracy, stupidity, and decadence of the west were clear to me long before I came to Islam. How can you look at the massive brutality, depravity, and general kufr and fisq the west has inflicted on itself and the rest of the world and think that this is something to be proud of? How can this be beneficial? A'udhu Billah.

And why unintentionally insult your brothers? What makes you think that we are better than our brothers from "third world" (by the way, we aren't)? A'udhu Billah.

Rasulullah said in his last khutbah: All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.

[XGoFivk7]

As-salamu ´alaykum,

All muslims are affected by their environments, whether born muslims or converts. Many converts manage to throw out everything that does not agree with Islam, some struggle. Similarly many who grew up in muslim households and "muslim cultures" struggle to leave behind that which does not agree with Islam, and the excuses are many. But among them too are fine individuals who reject anything that is unacceptable to Islam. The same goes for superiority complex. You will find white converts who are Ulama and Shuyukh, yet they may get told, "Let me show you how to make wudu properly, brother!" Yet they humbly accept such comments from the non-talib who simply think he knows better because he is from such-and-such a country.

Human beings are what they are.

wa Allahu a´lam

[anatmob]

I really do not think that this thread topic, at least the way that it is posed here and the way that it's been framed, is beneficial at all.

Please move it elsewhere or close the thread moderators.

[zCLadw3R]

ASWW
Do reverts carry their cultural baggage too and seem to hinder their progress in comprehending some Islamic issues?
For example: Superiority Complex and falling down in prostration before Allah the Almighty?

Also their perceived superiority complex over other nations and now having to listen to them ... etc.

Thoughts please....

Cultural baggage and superiority complex are very much a part of born muslims too and on many occasions their culture directly hinders their islamic progress too. So it's present everywhere.

In fact in my experience, I have seen that born muslims have more superiority complex than reverts. That's just my experience.

Bottomline is...it's a disease most of us suffer from to some extent or another. As muslims, both reverts and born muslims, we all need to rectify this.

may Allah swt guide us all.

[timgillmoreeztf]

LOL, now we see who really has a huge superiority complex!!

ASWW
Time has proved it! Failed Govt's Wars disease Environmental degradation .. the list continues...
and I meant Islamic superiority...

[sallythetolly]

I really do not think that this thread topic, at least the way that it is posed here and the way that it's been framed, is beneficial at all.

Please move it elsewhere or close the thread moderators.

I felt the same the moment the thread was created. I do not know how such threads will help. I see it more like venting one's anger and frustration. Allahu alam

[D6b2v1HA]

Cultural baggage and superiority complex are very much a part of born muslims too and on many occasions their culture directly hinders their islamic progress too. So it's present everywhere.

In fact in my experience, I have seen that born muslims have more superiority complex than reverts. That's just my experience.

Bottomline is...it's a disease most of us suffer from to some extent or another. As muslims, both reverts and born muslims, we all need to rectify this.

may Allah swt guide us all.

I have seen instances of us South Asians trying to impose our culture on "foreign" reverts. Alhamdulillah, they didn't have any negative impact but I think it might turn certain people away. Example is wearing the salwar 24/7, making them learn urdu, teaching urdu naats etc!

And I disagree that a "superiority complex" is inherent in Western culture. The issue is that born muslims are accustomed to bowing and prostrating from a very young age so they don't feel any humiliation (in one sense of the word) in bowing to the Almighty. As for those who have grown up "free and independent" up until they reach their 20s/30s - naturally - it will be difficult on their nafs to put their faces on the ground. It's not really a western thing - could happen to an Asian/Oriental person as well.

[Gubocang]

I completely disagree with this; it seems as if people have taken current events on this forum as an excuse to lash out at all "reverts". I find this particularly troubling as I've always found this forum to be very welcoming and supportive.

You can't stereotype all "reverts". Every single individual who has embraced Islam without being born into it is a different person, in a different situation, with different personalities. We aren't some hive-minded ant colony or swarm of robots that all think and behave the same way. I do agree that some people have trouble throwing out their previous beliefs and "baggage" after coming to Islam, but I don't think it's the major problem you seem to be saying it is—and it is certainly not only white "reverts" who have this problem.


This is absolutely ridiculous as well. As a fellow white "revert" I disagree with you completely, and I cannot even say Islam is the sole reason. The degeneracy, stupidity, and decadence of the west were clear to me long before I came to Islam. How can you look at the massive brutality, depravity, and general kufr and fisq the west has inflicted on itself and the rest of the world and think that this is something to be proud of? How can this be beneficial? A'udhu Billah.

And why unintentionally insult your brothers? What makes you think that we are better than our brothers from "third world" (by the way, we aren't)? A'udhu Billah.

Rasulullah said in his last khutbah:

I'm glad to see that some people here still reason from their intellect instead of their nafs.

[occallExtet]

I really do not think that this thread topic, at least the way that it is posed here and the way that it's been framed, is beneficial at all.

Please move it elsewhere or close the thread moderators.

agree

racism

[occallExtet]

Cultural baggage and superiority complex are very much a part of born muslims too and on many occasions their culture directly hinders their islamic progress too. So it's present everywhere.

In fact in my experience, I have seen that born muslims have more superiority complex than reverts. That's just my experience.

Bottomline is...it's a disease most of us suffer from to some extent or another. As muslims, both reverts and born muslims, we all need to rectify this.

may Allah swt guide us all.

my favourite speakers

abdul hakim murad
shaykh hamza yusuf

a christian priest became an abdaal

allah loves everyone

so lock this racist judgemental thread ,mods

[lidersontop]

I think most muslim reverts or born Muslims come with cultural baggage...i can honestly say that i think it does have more of a negative effect on born Muslims as they sometimes find it difficult to differentiate between religious and cultural teachings and mix the two up.

Western reverts hmmm...i feel like most of their culture is based on haraam activities...going to pubs..having casual relationships etc...all this is left behind when they revert

only thing i can think of is born muslims may have a better concept respecting people like shaykhs and accepting them to be more knowledgeable...as it has been instilled in them from a young age the respect for teachers/elders/parents...the same emphasis on respect does not seem to be part of the culture in the west...wallahu alam

[SoorgoBardy]

The worst damage wrought to Islam is by the cultural baggage brought by those from Muslim countries...Honour Killings, forced marriages, oppression of women, female genital mutilation...etc etc etc

[sallythetolly]

I hope mods close this thread.