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Old 06-06-2012, 10:08 PM   #1
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Here is message from Maulana Taliban:


Assalam Alaikum,

I once posted on SF that Hakeem ul Ummah (RA) has advised against marrying beautiful women. I promised to find the malfooz and post it and alhamdulillah today I found it. Qarz ada kar raha hoon:

Hazrat said: These days people see beauty in married women although today protection from Fitnah is in that the wife should not be much beautiful.Natural protection is in wife being less beautiful. Then he said on asking, although beauty is a blessing of Allah but today it has more possibility of Fitnah.


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Old 06-06-2012, 10:25 PM   #2
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@Brother amr123 - Please pass my sincere salaams to Maulana Taliban and inform him that he is sorely missed.



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Old 06-06-2012, 10:41 PM   #3
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I do not understand the advice against marrying a beautiful wife. Why would it cause fitna? Does it mean that she would attract other men and unwanted attention? Or does it mean the husband might become too attached to her? If one marries a plain woman is there not a temptation that one might get bored, ungrateful and tempted to look for beauty?
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:47 PM   #4
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Us parda nashiN ko mera bhi salaam.
(My Salam to Maulana Taliban Hafizahullah).
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:00 PM   #5
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hmmm i think men are more shallow nowadays than they were in the past...mostly because images of beautiful women are shoved in their faces all the time, on billboards etc

I would think that maybe having a beautiful wife would help a man lower his gaze more
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:27 PM   #6
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Assalamu 'alaykum,

That quote of Hakim al-Ummah had a context, therefore it wouldn't apply to our situations today. Also I do not think it meant to avoid beautiful women but rather that avoid choosing spouses purely for their beauty while neglecting the deen and personality, etc.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:52 PM   #7
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Assalamu 'alaykum,


At times, the man/woman who is beautiful but has no deen, may overtime change the status of his/her imaan and then have a bonus: Imaan + beauty.

Wassalam.


you definitely don't want to compromise on deen for looks or marry someone in the hope of changing them
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:22 AM   #8
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That's not what that statement meant.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:35 AM   #9
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Here is message from Maulana Taliban:


Assalam Alaikum,

I once posted on SF that Hakeem ul Ummah (RA) has advised against marrying beautiful women. I promised to find the malfooz and post it and alhamdulillah today I found it. Qarz ada kar raha hoon:

Hazrat said: These days people see beauty in married women although today protection from Fitnah is in that the wife should not be much beautiful.Natural protection is in wife being less beautiful. Then he said on asking, although beauty is a blessing of Allah but today it has more possibility of Fitnah.


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I agree with the statement and when Allah permits will implement this in my life.

This is true because a beautiful spouse means more attraction to an extent that one starts to take the commandments of Allah and his Prophet sallalahu alaiyhi wasallam lightly. He becomes so attached that it becomes difficult for him to give sacrifice for the sake of Deen e.g leave home for Tableegh or Jihad. That is where wife's beauty will become a Fitnah.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:10 AM   #10
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I am not sure what to say. Today fitnah is every where, in this day and age according to my observation of people around me both in US and in India, its a bigger fitnah for someone who is economically well off, and works outside their home to not have a decent looking and religious minded wife. Its natural for men to be attracted to beautiful women, and it takes a lot of Taqwa to restrain oneself, unfortunately not many Muslims have that in enough quantity. This will lead to marital strain, even divorces. AllahuAllam!
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:50 AM   #11
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moulana ashraf ali thanwi (ra) wrote that for people of the subcontinent living in the 19th century.

it does not necessarily have to be relevant to the people of the west living in the 21st century just because moulana ashraf ali thanwi (ra) wrote it.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:16 AM   #12
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moulana ashraf ali thanwi (ra) wrote that for people of the subcontinent living in the 19th century.

it does not necessarily have to be relevant to the people of the west living in the 21st century just because moulana ashraf ali thanwi (ra) wrote it.
, finally...doesnt have to be relevant to the muslims living in the subcontinent in the 21st century too...
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:04 PM   #13
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If i was to interpret the psychology behind it, I would say its because the men become completely slaved by the beauty of the women and thereby diverting attention to other important duties, or they get swayed by the false opinion or desires of such a women, or become less firm in his deen inorder to please the women. The relationship between men and women should be of a beautiful calm and sound nature and not of obsessive love and drugged nature.

And if the ttranslation provided is accurate word to word, then notice the word used is "less beautiful" and not "not beautiful". That would affirm my understanding that the statement is to avoid the fitnas the are associated with excessive beauty, as we see men who crave for such a women. That doesn't mean more beautiful women cannot marry, its just that each men has to marry a women of beauty relative to his own sound or fit standards.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:36 PM   #14
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I would think that maybe having a beautiful wife would help a man lower his gaze more
May be, and thats why preference in leading prayer is given on that matter. Link

There must be hikmah in maulana thanvi's advice. More beautiful women are supposed to be proud in their beauty. And if other men praise her, it certainly cause fitnah
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:48 PM   #15
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I too was thinking the same just like wealth can divert a person from deen, a man can go astray with the beauty of his wife. I heard in a bayan that there was a pious man and he got married to a very beautiful wife and he so fell for the beauty that he would approach her very often which spoiled his health eventually causing him death .
Perhaps based on this Hazrat (RA) advised like that. Allahu alam
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:42 PM   #16
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Hakim al-Ummah was speaking from a specific context which wouldn't apply in most places today.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:55 PM   #17
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I do like the way everyone is just about certain that the malfuz of Hakimul Ummah is either for specific time, place or circumstances. While the possibility of that is high as I have mentioned to Ml. Taliban Saheb at some time too. But it is indeed better to ask someone from his silsila who knows Hakimul Ummah's mizaj in and out to explain the malfuz. I mean his malfuz are filled in 30 Volumes! How many answers will you find for every such malfuz which does not suit well with our mizaj? Perhaps the easier way is to simply say that Hakimul Ummah was strict about certain issues... and we do not have the ability to reach or comply with that level of strictness due to our wave length not being inline with his.

I would explain the malfuz, but I think it better for his khulafaa or perhaps someone from Khanqah imdadiya to explain it.

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Old 06-07-2012, 10:58 PM   #18
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Please delete this thread.

I understand what I wanted to.

We use from Akabir what suits us and WE don't care if it goes against Islam or not.

But we don't like what doesn't suit us...

Please delete this thread.
He said very true in his original thread
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:15 PM   #19
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As usual I see some emotional outburst. As advised, the best thing is to leave the issue to be explained by someone known better as mentioned in post 17.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:36 PM   #20
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I do like the way everyone is just about certain that the malfuz of Hakimul Ummah is either for specific time, place or circumstances. While the possibility of that is high as I have mentioned to Ml. Taliban Saheb at some time too. But it is indeed better to ask someone from his silsila who knows Hakimul Ummah's mizaj in and out to explain the malfuz. I mean his malfuz are filled in 30 Volumes! How many answers will you find for every such malfuz which does not suit well with our mizaj? Perhaps the easier way is to simply say that Hakimul Ummah was strict about certain issues... and we do not have the ability to reach or comply with that level of strictness due to our wave length not being inline with his.

I would explain the malfuz, but I think it better for his khulafaa or perhaps someone from Khanqah imdadiya to explain it.



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