[GarryPaterson]

Dear brothers, what I am posting here my come as revelation to many about the state of Islam in supposedly one of the world's most 'progressive' muslim countries:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...onstitutional/

What has happened is that no-one is allowed to teach Islam unless they are accredited by the authorities. They can be charged as a criminal under the law. The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia. However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so.

[vulikox]

Dear brothers, what I am posting here my come as revelation to many about the state of Islam in supposedly one of the world's most 'progressive' muslim countries:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...onstitutional/

What has happened is that no-one is allowed to teach Islam unless they are accredited by the authorities. They can be charged as a criminal under the law. The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia. However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so.

there are many ways to circumvent that colonial law. One of them, is to have the activity done in an open but private location (which is not owned by the state). Surely this only happen in the states that are ruled by the nationalists, as the ulama from the opposition don't have any restriction on da'wa activities, indeed that da'wa are on the increase especially in Kelantan and Trengganu and other states ruled by the opposition.

Allahu'alam

[FelicitaJ]

I have problem with the malayianinsider website. It nearly always (if not everytime) try to portray the negativity of any rulings adopted by the government.

[vulikox]

I have problem with the malayianinsider website. It nearly always (if not everytime) try to portray the negativity of any rulings adopted by the government.

Malaysianinsider are secularists. They are very politically motivated and on a different wavelength with the current government (so do Islamists), but more importantly they are not actively contributing anything to Islamic development. It's better to get some information directly from local scholars regarding some the their activities in promoting Islam. Some of them have good websites with quite a number of followers.

Allahu'alam.

[vulikox]

the real fight is actually between the nationalists and Islamists. The non-Muslim minority will support the nationalists but they differ greatly along the ethnicity line. If more and more Muslim nationalist can be given da'wa to accept Islam properly and to filter out the colonial nationalism garbage, then things will be for the better.

Allahu'alam.

[GarryPaterson]

I agree with you on the Malaysian Insider website being secularists and they normally report the news with a very negative slant towards Islam. The point I was trying to make is that the court had allowed the imposition of such a law which prevents dakwah from being done just because the religious authority does not want to recognise that person as someone with religious credentials. No doubt in the states controlled by the Islamist party and their allies, this is not a problem, however in the states controlled by the ruling nationalist regime, they can exert their control as has been done in this case. Dakwah is being threatened by this development. Soon we will have people being arrested just because they decided to talk about Islam to some nationalist and he decides that this person does not have credentials and should not speak. They could even arrest people on matters of khilaf, point being example my recent post in this thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fist-in-length

just because they decide that the matter is something they deem "deviant'' from their "version'' of they say Islam is. They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh. I know my post is starting to turn into a bit of a rant, but the fact is this is what is happening the Malaysia and the fact that such a law can now come into effect will further stop people from being able to teach Islam be it from Shafi'i or other madhab's in the country. The only good I see is that this can be used against those deviant Rafidi's with their shirk beliefs and the Ahmadiyyah with their false prophet.

[XGoFivk7]

As-salamu ´alaykum,

Like in many, if not most Muslim countries, there are some laws prohibiting unauthorized public teaching. However, the men of Allah Ta´ala always find a way to do da´wah.

Do not despair.

wa Allahu a´lam

[vulikox]

I agree with you on the Malaysian Insider website being secularists and they normally report the news with a very negative slant towards Islam. The point I was trying to make is that the court had allowed the imposition of such a law which prevents dakwah from being done just because the religious authority does not want to recognise that person as someone with religious credentials. No doubt in the states controlled by the Islamist party and their allies, this is not a problem, however in the states controlled by the ruling nationalist regime, they can exert their control as has been done in this case. Dakwah is being threatened by this development. Soon we will have people being arrested just because they decided to talk about Islam to some nationalist and he decides that this person does not have credentials and should not speak. They could even arrest people on matters of khilaf, point being example my recent post in this thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fist-in-length

just because they decide that the matter is something they deem "deviant'' from their "version'' of they say Islam is. They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh. I know my post is starting to turn into a bit of a rant, but the fact is this is what is happening the Malaysia and the fact that such a law can now come into effect will further stop people from being able to teach Islam be it from Shafi'i or other madhab's in the country. The only good I see is that this can be used against those deviant Rafidi's with their shirk beliefs and the Ahmadiyyah with their false prophet.

brother, actually how long have you been in Malaysia? Granted that Malaysia is far from perfect as a good Islamic country, but the efforts are massively underway, .

I'll break several of the issues you've raised into several points;

1. "They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh."

- That's inherently not true. The sharia court last year upheld a marriage done in Pakistan between a Pakistani gentleman and a Malaysian woman which was done according to Hanafi fiqh. This was documented and publicly reported, but it wasn't come as a big news as every Muslim should know that if one is from an ahlul-sunnah, then there should be no problem.

- Regarding "believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct", that's also not correct. Muslims in Malaysia only consider ahlul-sunnah as correct. Most of the Muslims in Malaysia will refrain from takfiri as we accept that we don't know much the reason for the takfir, and also because the accused party is not given a chance to defend himself/herself. However if there's an open and clear kuffr being done, then we accept that the said person is confirm of his/her kuffr, unless of course if the said person repented and publicly declare so.

What you experience is probably an interaction with Shafi'i followers who never interact with Muslims from other madzhab. In such cases, of course they wouldn't know about the fiqh according to other madzhab as their sole reference was only Shafi'i fiqh.

2. The colonial law that you mentioned just now was originally devised to prevent the deviants like Ahmadiyya from spreading in Malaysia. Actually, local scholars publicly debated with Ahamadiyya sect in some 1920s and openly declared them as kuffr after that. Also currently there are a small rafidi group that I know in Penang that are actively trying to convert sunnis to their "sect". there was a public debate with them and uploaded to youtube for any local Muslim to watch it. But as usual if the rulers are not sincere, not from people with amanah, then they will try to use any tools available to stifle their opponents. The nationalists are actually very afraid of the Islamists influence.

Allahu'alam.

[GarryPaterson]

brother, actually how long have you been in Malaysia? Granted that Malaysia is far from perfect as a good Islamic country, but the efforts are massively underway, .

I'll break several of the issues you've raised into several points;

1. "They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh."

- That's inherently not true. The sharia court last year upheld a marriage done in Pakistan between a Pakistani gentleman and a Malaysian woman which was done according to Hanafi fiqh. This was documented and publicly reported, but it wasn't come as a big news as every Muslim should know that if one is from an ahlul-sunnah, then there should be no problem.

- Regarding "believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct", that's also not correct. Muslims in Malaysia only consider ahlul-sunnah as correct. Most of the Muslims in Malaysia will refrain from takfiri as we accept that we don't know much the reason for the takfir, and also because the accused party is not given a chance to defend himself/herself. However if there's an open and clear kuffr being done, then we accept that the said person is confirm of his/her kuffr, unless of course if the said person repented and publicly declare so.

What you experience is probably an interaction with Shafi'i followers who never interact with Muslims from other madzhab. In such cases, of course they wouldn't know about the fiqh according to other madzhab as their sole reference was only Shafi'i fiqh.

2. The colonial law that you mentioned just now was originally devised to prevent the deviants like Ahmadiyya from spreading in Malaysia. Actually, local scholars publicly debated with Ahamadiyya sect in some 1920s and openly declared them as kuffr after that. Also currently there are a small rafidi group that I know in Penang that are actively trying to convert sunnis to their "sect". there was a public debate with them and uploaded to youtube for any local Muslim to watch it. But as usual if the rulers are not sincere, not from people with amanah, then they will try to use any tools available to stifle their opponents. The nationalists are actually very afraid of the Islamists influence.

Allahu'alam.

Brother Faizol,

I am actually a Malaysian by birth, but have been away from the country for a while studying. Alhamdulillah, where I was in Australia before the dakwah activity is strong and growing. However upon returning to Malaysia I find things happenning here to be far more restrictive for muslims.

I am generally worried about the trend in the country and increasing polarisation that is happening between the Islamists and the nationalists and this appears to be culminating to the point where even dakwah becomes restricted. I am not a member of Tabligh-e-jamaat FYI, I agree with their intentions but not with some of their methods (i.e leaving the families for 3-6 months sometimes and such). However, this law could even pose problems to Tabligh-e-jamaat as well as they could be viewed as unaccredited by the government especially the brothers that come from India and Pakistan to spread dakwah here. Such a law is open to abuse and in Malaysia, the government has been seen to frequently abuse laws which grant them power and selective prosecution is rampant.

I agree the nationalists are very afraid of the Islamists. Even through the short discussion I have with some of my colleagues at work during lunch and such on Islam, they sometimes are shocked and taken aback by some of my stands which are fully supported by evidences from the Quran, hadeeth and ijma' of the scholars. They find their reality being challenged and racial undertones and frequently raised by these nationalists. I haven't asked them the question, when Mahdi comes, would they take the bai'ah? Many of them don't answer. They say it won't be in my time and such. I fear for my fellow muslims here that they are being brainwashed into nationalists and this method of controlling dakwah will be used to stifle the spread of Islam so that the ruling regime will only allow their warped "nationalist version" of Islam to be the only accepted version. Even hudood is criticised here Nauzubillah.

[FelicitaJ]

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What has happened is that no-one is allowed to teach Islam unless they are accredited by the authorities. They can be charged as a criminal under the law. The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia. However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so.

- "The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia."
That if very farfetch view. I do not agree entirely with the above statement.
Since you've said you've been away, maybe you do not know that (ustaz) Fathul Bari Mat Jahya (the person being charged in the article you posted) is the present ruling party (ie UMNO) staunch supporter. Hence, I definitely do not believe that the primary aim of the enactment has anything to do with curbing the opposition party.

- "However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so."
on your 2nd point, I say yes. The relevant authorities can now stop any unauthorised person giving deeni talk / teaching.
However, I see that as a POSITIVE precautional measure by the government to curb people from spreading deviant ideologies, create misunderstandings etc.

[GarryPaterson]

- "The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia."
That if very farfetch view. I do not agree entirely with the above statement.
Since you've said you've been away, maybe you do not know that (ustaz) Fathul Bari Mat Jahya (the person being charged in the article you posted) is the present ruling party (ie UMNO) staunch supporter. Hence, I definitely do not believe that the primary aim of the enactment has anything to do with curbing the opposition party.

- "However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so."
on your 2nd point, I say yes. The relevant authorities can now stop any unauthorised person giving deeni talk / teaching.
However, I see that as a POSITIVE precautional measure by the government to curb people from spreading deviant ideologies, create misunderstandings etc.

Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually.

My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development.

[FelicitaJ]

Dear bro Ahmed,

I feel reluctant to reply as I see this discussion is going overboard from the initial topic posted. Initially it is about the Islamic enactment and stiffling of Da'wah. Now, hudud is brought up. And then on SIS and politics. And then riba.
Discussion of this nature will cover so big area that usually will continue and continue to no end.

I will try to reply in brief ... May ALLAH make easy for me and give us the understanding.

Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually.

- In the article, it is mentioned that Fathul Bari is being charged, NOT about letting him off the sentence.

My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development. - Why deviant groups like SIS Forum not charged? They are politically well connected...
I do not know why. Are they politically connected ? ... I also do not know nor have I any solid proof/evidence. I just got to know from the news.
Maybe if you have enough proof and evidence, I suggest that you submit them to the relevant authority so that they can be prosecuted.
However, if you do not have sufficient evidence and solid proofs to prosecute them, then you putting blame on and accusing the government of letting these groups off is improper.

- the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute...
yes I do agree that the law is open to abuse.
However, the freedom for ANYONE to teach is also open to abuse.

- the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda
maybe you should also mention that the government is also implimenting Islamic values. Also, not every one of the government agenda that the government do not take the importance of her muslim people into account.

- The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses.
maybe you should also mention that the government is also promoting Islamic monetary practices as alternatives to the conventional non Islamic monetary system.
Islamic banking, Islamic loans, Islamic insurance etc...

since you are a Malaysian student studying in Australia, I presume you do know that you are inforced to take the health insurance cover ?
Maybe it is better for a student to not study abroad as to avoid any riba'...?
Or avoid driving a vehicle as it involve riba and insurance...

- I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation?
yes, you and anyone else can be charged.

Wallaahu a'lam.

What Im trying to get at is that, it is not an easy matter. Blaming one party for their inadequacy to combat riba' totally, but on the other hand we, ourselves are also not capable of avoiding... that is not fair.
I am ALL FOR fight against riba. Please do not get me wrong.
But I urge the people with the capability (academicians, scholars, professionals, etc) to assist and come up with a detailed practical plan rather than just blaming and accusing.

[GarryPaterson]

Dear bro Ahmed,

I feel reluctant to reply as I see this discussion is going overboard from the initial topic posted. Initially it is about the Islamic enactment and stiffling of Da'wah. Now, hudud is brought up. And then on SIS and politics. And then riba.
Discussion of this nature will cover so big area that usually will continue and continue to no end.

I will try to reply in brief ... May ALLAH make easy for me and give us the understanding.


- In the article, it is mentioned that Fathul Bari is being charged, NOT about letting him off the sentence.



- Why deviant groups like SIS Forum not charged? They are politically well connected...
I do not know why. Are they politically connected ? ... I also do not know nor have I any solid proof/evidence. I just got to know from the news.
Maybe if you have enough proof and evidence, I suggest that you submit them to the relevant authority so that they can be prosecuted.
However, if you do not have sufficient evidence and solid proofs to prosecute them, then you putting blame on and accusing the government of letting these groups off is improper.

- the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute...
yes I do agree that the law is open to abuse.
However, the freedom for ANYONE to teach is also open to abuse.

- the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda
maybe you should also mention that the government is also implimenting Islamic values. Also, not every one of the government agenda that the government do not take the importance of her muslim people into account.

- The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses.
maybe you should also mention that the government is also promoting Islamic monetary practices as alternatives to the conventional non Islamic monetary system.
Islamic banking, Islamic loans, Islamic insurance etc...

since you are a Malaysian student studying in Australia, I presume you do know that you are inforced to take the health insurance cover ?
Maybe it is better for a student to not study abroad as to avoid any riba'...?
Or avoid driving a vehicle as it involve riba and insurance...

- I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation?
yes, you and anyone else can be charged.

Wallaahu a'lam.

What Im trying to get at is that, it is not an easy matter. Blaming one party for their inadequacy to combat riba' totally, but on the other hand we, ourselves are also not capable of avoiding... that is not fair.
I am ALL FOR fight against riba. Please do not get me wrong.
But I urge the people with the capability (academicians, scholars, professionals, etc) to assist and come up with a detailed practical plan rather than just blaming and accusing.

You're right when saying that I am bit off track with raising of the issues riba' and such. So let's refocus the discussion. My point being is they require a license to teach. It's not like making a law saying you will be charged if you teach deviant things. The law is preventive in nature rather than corrective. Everyone is presumed guilty if they don't have license to teach. Even someone who has degree for Al-Azhar or the University of Medina (i.e. accredited by the univesities already) would need to be screened by the government authorities first to determine if they are 'fit' to teach Islam. Why? There is no need if a person is known to have the necessary qualifications to speak on the matter, the only thing is he's not 'licensed' by the government. This is what I am vehemently being critical of here.

[vulikox]

Brother Faizol,

I am actually a Malaysian by birth, but have been away from the country for a while studying. Alhamdulillah, where I was in Australia before the dakwah activity is strong and growing. However upon returning to Malaysia I find things happenning here to be far more restrictive for muslims.

I am generally worried about the trend in the country and increasing polarisation that is happening between the Islamists and the nationalists and this appears to be culminating to the point where even dakwah becomes restricted. I am not a member of Tabligh-e-jamaat FYI, I agree with their intentions but not with some of their methods (i.e leaving the families for 3-6 months sometimes and such). However, this law could even pose problems to Tabligh-e-jamaat as well as they could be viewed as unaccredited by the government especially the brothers that come from India and Pakistan to spread dakwah here. Such a law is open to abuse and in Malaysia, the government has been seen to frequently abuse laws which grant them power and selective prosecution is rampant.

I agree the nationalists are very afraid of the Islamists. Even through the short discussion I have with some of my colleagues at work during lunch and such on Islam, they sometimes are shocked and taken aback by some of my stands which are fully supported by evidences from the Quran, hadeeth and ijma' of the scholars. They find their reality being challenged and racial undertones and frequently raised by these nationalists. I haven't asked them the question, when Mahdi comes, would they take the bai'ah? Many of them don't answer. They say it won't be in my time and such. I fear for my fellow muslims here that they are being brainwashed into nationalists and this method of controlling dakwah will be used to stifle the spread of Islam so that the ruling regime will only allow their warped "nationalist version" of Islam to be the only accepted version. Even hudood is criticised here Nauzubillah.

brother,

, actually some of the questions you asked (like giving baiah to the Islamic ruler), those are the same questions that I often used in my discussions too .

Anyhow, these are my points;

- you can't look into what's happening inside of the ruling party and to judge the Islamic movement from them. They never wanted to fully implement Islam in its entirety (because of their lack in understanding, and also because of the influence of the kuffr governments). That's why ulama are against them, and are doing da'wa to them to let them understand that by rejecting hudud and such is tantamount to kuffr. Indeed, the Islamist party have already declared that they will absolve the Islamist party should the ruling party is willing to accept Islam 100%. So the ruling party declared that they don't reject hudood, but the broad coalition party (which also consists of several non-Muslim parties) disagree on the hudood implementation.

- Regarding Ustadz Fathul Bari, like brother Silat said, he's a supporter of the ruling party, and yes he's a bit outspoken against some of the decisions made by the ruling party. But you also have to look at the internal political struggle within the ruling party itself. There are various groups within that organization, some of them are Islamists who are trying to move the ruling party closer to Islam from inside (can't say that they are successful though), true nationalists to the core, opportunists and so forth.

- Regarding hudood implementation, Kelantan has passed hudood enactment about 10 years back if I'm not mistaken, but it's blocked from being implemented because of the federal constitutions. At the time, there were even rumours that Kelantan might choose to get out of the federation so that Kelantan would be able to implement the hudood in its entirety. However, since then, the federal sharia court has been expanded, and even some of the criminal laws are developed to be tabled and will be implemented, though the laws tabled might not still be a complete hudood implementation yet. This is actually a big leap as before this sharia court was only used for civil cases pertaining to Muslim civil affairs only.

- regarding certificate to teach, those were under state jurisdiction, and most of the time the decision is influenced by the head minister. If you do follow the political development in Malaysia, you would know that the ruling group in that state is opposed to the ruling prime minister.

- This certificate requirement is a two edged sword, it can be abused like what you mentioned. However, there's also a need to do that in matters pertaining to deviant teachings that otherwise would go unrestrained. These groups, mostly using sufi movement as a cover, originated from unknown madrassa abroad (mostly from remote places in Indonesia). They are bringing in some practices that are totally against ahlul sunnah practices. Plus, like I mentioned about the rafidi movement. Those movements are taking advantage of the hezbollah movement which is popular among the lay Muslim person as it seems to be the only movement that goes head to head with the zionists and the US policies (though we know that's not the real case). Without this requirement, they can openly do their propaganda to misled more Muslims. And using this requirement actually enabled a group of rafidis in Selangor to be detained last year.

Da'wa movement is not hugely impacted by the requirement you mentioned. there are many ways to move the da'wa movement forward. But brother, we need more discussions like what you had among the local Muslims. It would be nice if we can share some youtube videos for example (and other references) so that we can show them to our friends to get the message across.



Allahu'alam.

[vforvandetta]

A clean shaven judge passing a judgement on Islam should be detained for forty days - till he gets visible beard.

[vulikox]

A clean shaven judge passing a judgement on Islam should be detained for forty days - till he gets visible beard.

actually brother, there's no requirement for a judge to be clean shaven. Indeed, many of the judges have beard and some of them cover their hair also while sitting as a judge (not wig, kufi/kopiah/cap).

Allahu'alam.

[Hankie]

Masha'Allah that's good to hear about the positive developments of our (as we aren't but an unique body) situation in Malaysia. (with regards to post #14 by brother Faizol)

What about the near-by Indonesia and Singapore?

[OwdBKKHO]

Salam,

On the other note, this problem had happen since wahabi/salafi/ala madhabi talk had increase. These people are pulling others from mazhab into salafi style by 'following only quran and sunnah'. Which is why, even though they had certificate from Azhar or Madinah Uni they need to be screen. Some of them from Madinah uni are known of salafi/wahabi stance and against mazhab in term of fikh especially and these had bring problem throughout. Many people especially age between 40-60's had British educated background and these people now just 'came' back to practising Islam and had been tied up with the stance of salafi/wahabi. Since than, the government had announce that people need to be check upon before they can preach or give talk.

Many had argue about tablighi jamaat who can give talk openly without been ask about their certification. Many did not understand that the problem with needed authorisation because 'these people' are teaching fikh, tafsir quran and hadith and let people to become mujtahid. This is very sensitive issue and many did not understand the real reason behind.

I had many aunties, uncles and cousin that had secular background but had been touch by all these wahabi/salafi style and even though now, these people can only preach and give talk in their own place such as in their house and etc, and not in public, many had stick to it since. I had originally from Perlis state where the only state that hold wahabi/salafi stance , where world wahabi ijtimak held.

You can be a people from any political party , but can still do dakwah openly when you go out in tablighi jamaat, it never been any problem, (although slightly might occur from time to time) which usually depends on the individual and local masjid. Overall it never been much problem.

As usual, do no believe everything what paper or internet told you.

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Dear brothers, what I am posting here my come as revelation to many about the state of Islam in supposedly one of the world's most 'progressive' muslim countries:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...onstitutional/

What has happened is that no-one is allowed to teach Islam unless they are accredited by the authorities. They can be charged as a criminal under the law. The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia. However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so.

This is very disturbing, even more so than the Saudis proposed law outlawing fatawa from non-authorized Saudi scholars.

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This is very disturbing, even more so than the Saudis proposed law outlawing fatawa from non-authorized Saudi scholars.

kindly please read replies by brother silat and the subsequent discussions with brother Ahmed_Abdullah_01.