[vulikox]

Masha'Allah that's good to hear about the positive developments of our (as we aren't but an unique body) situation in Malaysia. (with regards to post #14 by brother Faizol)

What about the near-by Indonesia and Singapore?

brother, I don't know much about the situation of our brothers and sisters in Singapore and Indonesia. But from what I know, organization and da'wa activities are much more organized in Singapore, but it won't be visible as the Muslims are minority there. As per Indonesia, there are a lot more to be done due to the vastness of the area. Communications are a bit lacking. Indonesians in some rural areas are more obsessed with magic, hence you'll read about news of some of the maids for example try to apply magic to their bosses, and others. Statistically, the percentage of those who practice magic and such are still small, but considering the amount of the population is well over 230 million, those statistic numbers translated into quite a number of people.

From what I gather, hizb-tahrir movement is quite popular in Indonesia. And I believe tableeghi movement is also quite strong in Indonesia. One brother before mentioned about Banda Acheh and community implementation of hudood law. GAM insurgency (behind the effort of hudood implementation in Banda Acheh) was officially ended a few years back, and I think it was agreed that certain autonomy was given to Banda Acheh in regards to the natural resources and also regarding the rights to implement hudood law (which is in practice since 2001, though not sure if Indonesian government place some limitations or not).

Any brother or sister from Indonesia who can give a much more accurate picture of Islamic movement in Indonesia?



Allahu'alam.

[Payodcapy542fro]

well in indonesia Dakwah was not limited from traditionalist, salafis , wahabis even shia are allowed freely to give dakwah here, but the problems are mostly secularizations and Christianisation, there are social tension between the secularist-non-muslims and Islam,
now Indonesia become decentralized nations meaning every district or province may pass their own Law, and there were some report that many of these district implemented some sharia law but not fully, except in Aceh. The Secularist and non-muslims mostly united against such thing.

the main problem today is suicide bombing, secularist and non-muslims will quickly blame on Islam after the incident, and im thinking the terrorist must be out of his mind, we still freely doing dakwah, not oppresed, but they bomb civilian? even they dare to Bomb mosque during Friday Prayer, it's damage the dakwah in Indonesia,
but i think not that significant since many convert to Islam in non-muslims district, salute to our Brothers who actively promote Islam in those district.

the other main problem is the massive secularization, in the last 1 decades after Indonesian spring , e.g now girls dare to using mini hot pants or miniskirt outside their house, western sexism magazine are allowed to circulate , Muslims opposed these, and now still struggling to bring the law over these. Secularization come with unfiltered western culture through movies etc and their main vessel is pluralism

the last problem is Christianisation, even the ffi and wikiislam have indonesian page?, and the Christians after Indonesian spring become more aggressive, even they dare trying to convert Muslims children using fake free educations program like "reading program for kids" but inside they thought about Christianity, thanks God one of their act was discovered by Muslims, and with the Police caught them red-handed, hope their network will be exposed as-well, and there are plenty of Illegal church built here, and the authority didn't take preventive actions so some of the church got attacked, but when church got attacked then it's all national media main news, but in non-muslims district if Mosque were attacked, then it's only local news. the Media was controlled by the secularist, so now muslims in indonesia have their organizations battling the missionaries, there are some plenty of real life debate which the muslims "owning" over the missionaries.

that's all what i know about indonesia, i think malaysia as well have similar problem like indonesia, but i think the damage it's more "managed" by the Malaysian goverment, not wildly loose like in here since the indonesian govt is secular.....sigh

one more, Islamic Banking is flourishing here....

[GarryPaterson]

Salam brothers and sisters,

I was quite busy yesterday after my last response so I could not reply.

Jazakallah-khair brother faizol for your excellent response.

Alhamdulillah I happen to live in a state which is controlled by Opposition Coalition of which the Islamist party is a part of, so there have been no issues with dakwah in the state so far. I even attended mufti Menk recent talk in Malaysia as well. I don't deny there many ways of getting by this law, but the existence of 'licensing' dakwah as far as I am concerned is what worries me much. Brother maripat point as well needs to be taken, being clean shaven is not just about being clean shaven it is a sign that the person is ignorant of the sunnah, or knows it is sunnah and openly goes against it. The judges as well are not qualified on this matter.

On the ruling party, I know of many people as well in there that trying to do just that, but as supporter of the Islamists I understand all too well the ruling party is rotten to the core. The leadership is rotten, the succession is rotten, they are so extremely corrupt they fear if hudud were to be implemented. I doubt they can ever change. Only Allah can change the hearts of these tyrants.

I agree the freedom to teach could be open to abuse as well, but I believe that should apply to formal teaching, not dakwah activities. We just want to attract people to Islam. Then we can bring them to the right scholars or schools or our masjid to learn more from those more learned that ourselves.

On sister ummuseif's response,

I believe she is reference Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, the former Mufti of the state of Perlis in Malaysia. There is a definite wahabi/salafi leaning in his writings, but he has so far as always stuck with the Shafi'i school of Fiqh as far as my experience of listening and attending his talks and reading his books. I have also been with another scholar who is all out anti-Wahabi (as he states) but he does come a little short in evidence from he has presented in his books (he goes by the name of Ustaz Zamihan, those of you who have met him, would understand why I say so). I agree very much with your statement that those british educated, 'secularised' muslims (like some of my own family members) are relearning Islam from these people. I see them refraining from making doa and dzikr in congregation, the prefer to perform their nafil prayers away from others. They don't go for tarawih in congregation in Ramadhan. However, they have their sources that support some of their arguments.

I believe that there are other avenues they can use to stop the propagation of the Rafidi and Ahmadiyyah deviants. These isn't enough education going on about these movements, especially the Rafidi's as the government does not want to sour relations with Iran. Again this is where dakwah will have to come in to place. I have had non-muslim colleagues at work ask me what's the difference between muslims like me and these Iranians shia, are we like Roman Catholics and Protestants. Alhamdulillah since I have been a member of this forum the best evidence has come from brother tripolysunni which has many times assisted me in explaining the deviant teachnings and shirk of the shia to others. However, with this law, they can charge me teaching without accreditation when me only goal is to just remove doubts in others minds, dakwah, and to spread Islam. This is my problem with it.

[FelicitaJ]

Jazaakillaahu khoyron sis ummuseif.
I believe there's more to ummuseif's post than what we read on the surface. But I do not wish to comment.

I see some political biasness in this thread. Hence I will avoid posting anymore comment.

May ALLAH swt have mercy upon us all...

[GarryPaterson]

Jazaakillaahu khoyron sis ummuseif.
I believe there's more to ummuseif's post than what we read on the surface. But I do not wish to comment.

I see some political biasness in this thread. Hence I will avoid posting anymore comment.

May ALLAH swt have mercy upon us all...

Brother silat, it's most unfortunate that you equate striving for Islam with political bias. I am happy there is no stifling of Islam in the state I live in, but if I go to another state where I am subject to this law, I could easily be charged. My political bias is only for those that strive for Islam in truth. Being a hypocrite by saying you support Islam and the your actions being the exact opposite is what the ruling coalition leaders do ever so often. How do you see them then? Based on their intent?

[FelicitaJ]

Brother silat, it's most unfortunate that you equate striving for Islam with political bias. I am happy there is no stifling of Islam in the state I live in, but if I go to another state where I am subject to this law, I could easily be charged. My political bias is only for those that strive for Islam in truth. Being a hypocrite by saying you support Islam and the your actions being the exact opposite is what the ruling coalition leaders do ever so often. How do you see them then? Based on their intent?

May ALLAH save and protect me and every muslims from qualities of a hypocrite...

I do not equate striving for Islam with political bias.
Im equating your posting below as political bias. Hence when one is politically biased, one tend not to be open to other views.
I rest my case.

Assalaamu 'alaykum.

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On the ruling party, I know of many people as well in there that trying to do just that, but as supporter of the Islamists I understand all too well the ruling party is rotten to the core. The leadership is rotten, the succession is rotten, they are so extremely corrupt they fear if hudud were to be implemented. I doubt they can ever change. Only Allah can change the hearts of these tyrants.

[SoorgoBardy]

Dear brothers, what I am posting here my come as revelation to many about the state of Islam in supposedly one of the world's most 'progressive' muslim countries:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...onstitutional/

What has happened is that no-one is allowed to teach Islam unless they are accredited by the authorities. They can be charged as a criminal under the law. The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia. However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so.

Great news! this prevents extremist groups and other groups such as the {Ahmadeiyya, which has millions of followers in Indonesia} from freely preaching their tenets.