[mikeyyuiok]

Akhi.

Lol, i think you don't like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. Well thats not the issue, take the 7 mins of the lecture i posted.
If he said it after 9/11 or 2011 doesn't matter. Concentrate on the message implied on the 7 mins.

The message is : "Laymen should NOT play scholar." period.


Thats all thats there in the 7 minute video, that all i wanted to convey Akhi. The rest i don't want to discuss.(Atleast not in this thread)


I had this disease of thinking i knew better by just reading a few hadith. lol. I even went through a phase which i thought Madhabs were wrong.
Alhamdulillah it changed when i saw some lectures where the scholars say Laymen should NOT play with fiqh and fatwas.

[disappointment2]

shaykh hamza yusuf before and after 9/11 is a completely different man. Trust me I've been listening to him ever since I was a little kid.

[mikeyyuiok]

shaykh hamza yusuf before and after 9/11 is a completely different man. Trust me I've been listening to him ever since I was a little kid.

Akhi i too know that. What does that have to do with the topic at hand.

Does it change what he said or what all scholars say: "Laymen should NOT try to play scholar."

???

[mikeyyuiok]

Rasulullah said:
"Do not attain learning in order to express pride before the ulema (scholars),
nor by its help quarrel with foolish people,
nor through it try to overwhelm meetings,
but he who does so, his destination is fire."
[Ibn Majah]

[mikeyyuiok]

Ahem, cough*. Ahem ahem. I think someone was talking about how to stop it.

[DoterForeva]

Brother Amr,

I agree with your basic point: that unqualified people should NOT issue fatawa.

Do you agree with my point: that qualified people should NOT commit nifaq and present it as Islam?

How many highly educated and scholarly people fail to Command Good and Forbid Evil that is in their presence?

The grand mufti of Syria? The grand mufti of Egypt? The grand mufti of Saudi Arabia? And more?

And this is not a NEW event, many of the most academically qualified people of the Muslim Ummah have failed openly and most other ulama are silent.

Thus, the reality is: many unschooled people are speaking up for Islam because many schooled and educated people are severely lacking, if not committing nifaq.
The Anbiyah endured extreme hardship because their literally carried the message of Allah and their respective peoples conflicted with them.

As you yourself cited:

Abu Hurayrah, who said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah say,
‘ Verily, the first to be judged on the Day of Resurrection will be....

..... Next a man who had acquired and imparted knowledge and read the Qur’an will be brought forward, Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them.

Then He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’

The man will reply: `I acquired knowledge and taught it, and read the Qur’an for Your sake.’

Allah will say to him: `You have lied. You acquired knowledge so that people might call you a learned (man), and you read the Qur’an so that they might call you a reciter, and they have done so.’

Command will then be issued about him, and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell.....
[Muslim]



Knowledge necessitates ACTION. And the action which EVERYONE is expecting of ulama is following the way of the beloved Prophet (saaw).

Hamza Yusuf is caught in the same rut that many of the ulama of the Arab countries, except he's in a the belly of the Beast.

May Allah forgive him.

[mikeyyuiok]

Brother Amr,

I agree with your basic point: that unqualified people should NOT issue fatawa.

bro.

I am glad you agree

Do you agree with my point: that qualified people should NOT commit nifaq and present it as Islam?

How many highly educated and scholarly people fail to Command Good and Forbid Evil that is in their presence?

The grand mufti of Syria? The grand mufti of Egypt? The grand mufti of Saudi Arabia? And more?

And this is not a NEW event, many of the most academically qualified people of the Muslim Ummah have failed openly and most other ulama are silent.

Thus, the reality is: many unschooled people are speaking up for Islam because many schooled and educated people are severely lacking, if not committing nifaq.
The Anbiyah endured extreme hardship because their literally carried the message of Allah and their respective peoples conflicted with them. Yes bro, i completely agree with you. Nifaq shouldn't be committed by any Muslim for that matter. But Scholars especially are expected to follow what they preach. We laymen also have rights on scholars, no doubt.

A Quote:“A learned man who doesn’t restrain his passions is like a blind man holding a torch, he guides others but not himself.”

But todays condition is very complex. Different Scholars go through different phases, My personal opinion in today's age if a Scholar follows a proper Madhab (ie not from ahle hadith or salafi) and confirms with the Majority of the opinions of the Rest of the scholars then we Laymen shouldn't openly criticize. Its just a personal opinion. As for the ulema keeping quite there might be a wisdom behind it.

I m worried about our conduct in the forums. Sometimes i find the 'Aqeedah wars' in the forums very silly. I m a person of very weak Imaan, i m trying to implement Islam in my life. So if people like me come to forums like this and see only arguments it will drive them away. Instead of discussing these topics we need more stories on the Ambiya, the Sahaba, or just copy past good extracts from books etc.

When I look around what I see is there are a 'Lot' of Muslims that don't even pray 5 times a day. Its a fact, i won't say majority, but its a lot(different in different areas). I hear Muslims of my age bragging about their acts of Zina in college. So what do I do, i come to some forum like this. What do i see? Muslims fighting with Muslims. We should remember this is a public forum. Its not like arguing with ones friends or relative inside a house, BUT rather arguing in public forum, is like 2 people arguing loudly in the middle of Market with 100s of people standing around.


I understand your concern about scholars influencing laymen, i hope you understood my concern about us laymen influencing other laymen.

[DoterForeva]

I understand your concern about scholars influencing laymen, i hope you understood my concern about us laymen influencing other laymen.
I do brother.
May Allah make clear to us the Truth and give us the strength to adhere to it, and make clear to us the Batil, and give us the strength to avoid it.

[mikeyyuiok]

Ibn Mas`ood, radiallaahu `anhu, said:

"True knowledge is not measured in relationship to how much you memorize and then narrate,
but rather, true knowledge is an expression of piety
[protecting oneself from what Allaah prohibited and acting upon what He mandated].
"Also, "Study and act upon what you learn."



[Related by Abu Na`eem]

[mikeyyuiok]

'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud(ra) reported that the Prophet said,
"No one who has an atom's weight of pride in his heart will enter the Garden."
A man said, "And if the man likes his clothes to be good and his sandals to be good?"
He said, "Allah is Beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means to renounce the truth and abase people."

[Muslim]

[retyopj]

How does one stay humble?

[mikeyyuiok]

The Dua our beloved Rasoolullah used to recite for protection against knowledge that won't benefit us


[Muslim]

[mikeyyuiok]

Dangers of trying to make Home made Fatwas just reading a few Hadith or
Dangers of trying to derive the interpretation of Quran from ones own opinion without knowledge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXrK4B9Iy_Q

[mikeyyuiok]

Everyone is an "expert" at Fiqh- Sheikh Riyadh Ul Haq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtV-mCQZamo

[Desflahd]

This is a excellent thread...

JazakAllah khair for starting it.

[mikeyyuiok]

This is a excellent thread...

JazakAllah khair for starting it.

Unfortunately I myself am not following the advice properly. Please do make dua for me so I am saved from this hypocrisy.

[Desflahd]

Unfortunately I myself am not following the advice properly. Please do make dua for me so I am saved from this hypocrisy.

May Allah protect you and all the Muslims...Ameen!!!

[mikeyyuiok]

Advice To Students Of Knowledge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ziNjQ4NmbI

[incizarry]

Yet another important reminder posted by brother amr123, may Allah reward you and guide us all. Ameen.

[incizarry]

Unfortunately I myself am not following the advice properly. Please do make dua for me so I am saved from this hypocrisy.

May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen.