[BuyCheapest]

I think your friend is kind of Ahle Hadeeth people ( Salafi )
Because they also say we have to follow Quran only and sahi hadees but actually they don't they miss guide people regarding Hadeeth and 4 Imam.

My advise is do Dua for Him take him to Ulema Kiram and clear his misunderstanding regarding 4 Imam and Hadeeth

Don't throw baseless accusations against a group. The person OP has mentioned is a Hadith rejector and not an Ahle Hadeeth.

[86GlSqSK]

Don't throw baseless accusations against a group. The person OP has mentioned is a Hadith rejector and not an Ahle Hadeeth.

Brother i met this kind of people that's why I said

[Adamanta]

Muslims must learn to unite. Denouncing others who believe in the Qur'an does not help anyone, imo.

[MilenaMKB]

is hadith rejector (munkar i hadith) a muslim?

in pakistan, we have a sect known as pervaizi who don't accept hadith as a source of islamic knowledge.. can this sect be regarded as muslims?

Answer 4883

Primarily, there are two types of Ahaadith; Mutawaatir and Ahad.

Mutawatir Ahaadith are narrated by innumerable number of narrators. It is
impossible that such a large number of people will unite on speaking a lie.
It is similar to a verse of the Qur'aan in its authenticity. To reject a
Hadith Mutawaatir is Kufr. To reject Hadith Aahaad (which has many branches
in relation to the standard of its authenticity) is Fisq (transgression).

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Pedsshuth]

Muslims must learn to unite. Denouncing others who believe in the Qur'an does not help anyone, imo.

They are not believing in the Qur'aan, are they, if they reject what the Bearer of the Qur'aan says.

[Lictimind]

Muslims must learn to unite. Denouncing others who believe in the Qur'an does not help anyone, imo.

denouncing people who do not accept hadith (and as an extension deny man aspects of the deen) helps by abating even more deviated groups from emerging and creating even more disunity.

if we allowed everyone who claimed to accept the quran then we would have all sorts of groups claiming to be muslim, the bahais and qadiyanis would be just some of them.

[hernkingAnank]

As far as I modestly known, many scholars when they answer to such person, they used to use the verses in which Allah ta'ala told us to "submit" to the prophet(saw). So, basically if he agrees on the authenticity of the Qur'an, so he believes in those verses to.
So here is the point, how does he deal with those verses where it is ask to us to follow the Prophet(saw) ? (5/92, 4/59)
Or what does the term "hikmah" means for him when Allah told us that the Prophet (saw) was send to us as a Messenger to teach us the "kitab" and the "hikmah". ? (2/129, 3/164, 62/2)
Or how does he understand the verse where Allah ta'ala described his Rasul(saw) as an "uswatun hasana" ? (33/21)

wAllâhu A'lam.

[Adamanta]

They are not believing in the Qur'aan, are they, if they reject what the Bearer of the Qur'aan says.

Well, not according to them. I'm not suggesting you agree with them, I'm arguing that unity does not mean uniformity and Muslims must learn to accept this. The fact that you believe in the same Qur'an as the shia, qadiyanis, quranists etc is a good start.

denouncing people who do not accept hadith (and as an extension deny man aspects of the deen) helps by abating even more deviated groups from emerging and creating even more disunity.

if we allowed everyone who claimed to accept the quran then we would have all sorts of groups claiming to be muslim, the bahais and qadiyanis would be just some of them.

Yes, why not unite with bahais and qadiyanis? They believe in the Qur'an, so why not use that as a common denominator?

[FailiaFelay]

Alert: Joshimitsu - unless he repented and came back to Islam and Ahl as-Sunnah - is himself an Hadith rejector, that's why he calls for "unitying the Ummah".

Ummah doesn't have to - and shouldn't - unite with the kuffar.

[FailiaFelay]

Regarding those who are "afraid" of making takfir even when it's evident:

"Before answering this question in some detail, I would like to allude to a very remorseful phenomenon that we witness in various circles of our Muslim Homelands. It is that many people have gone to extremes regarding this issue in that they either cross the bounds or they fall short (of the correct opinion). This is because on the one hand, some are very quick to render any person who does not follow their opinion in Far’ee[1] issues as Kaafir whereas such issues are not part of the fundamental beliefs of Deen. Rather there is room for Ijtihad in them and academic difference of opinion has existed in them from the early eras of Islam. This portrays Islam as if it is a cramped courtyard and if a person steps out of it even to the extent of a fingertip he comes out of the fold of Islam. On the other hand, there are some people who accept the claim of every person who proclaims Islam. They do not allow rendering such a person as a Kaafir under any circumstance, even though such person denies the fundamental beliefs of Deen which distinguish Islam from other religions. This portrays Islam as if it does not possess an established reality and is merely a tattered piece of clothing which may be adorned by every false and destructive belief so long as a person claims to be a Muslim. Both these points of view are baseless and have provoked turmoil and dissention amongst the Muslims. The truth of the matter is that Islam or Iman is an established and defined reality which needs to be proven in order to render a person Muslim. This established reality accommodates many differences in Far’ee issues that Islam itself has sanctioned and thus it is not permissible to render a person as Kaafir merely on the basis of such Far’ee differences. Similarly this reality is not lost merely by a person committing certain Far’ee errors in his action or belief, so long as he believes in the fundamentals around which Islam and Kufr revolve. Thus, if we desire to unite the ranks of the Muslims then it is necessary to distance both types of extremes. Therefore, just as we will need to disassociate ourselves from those who render people as Kaafir merely on the basis of Far’ee differences, so too will we need to absolve ourselves from those who wish to introduce into Islam every such false belief that contradicts the centuries-old established fundamentals of Deen.

It follows that we need to define this reality that is termed ‘Islam’, so that we may be able to hold onto the moderate opinion that distances us from both types of extremes. The definition of Islam in the light of the Qur’an and Sunnah upon which there is consensus of the Muslim Ummah is: “Believing in that regarding which it is known with absolute certainty that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلّم has come with it.” (شرح العقائد للتفتازانى ؒ ص١١٩ وروح المعاني ١:١١۰)

Thus, whoever is included in this definition is a Muslim whom it is not permissible to render a Kaafir. Based on this, the schools of thought that claim Islam are of three types:

(...)"

Continues on: http://www.muftitaqiusmani.com/index...eous&Itemid=14

[Adamanta]

Alert: Joshimitsu - unless he repented and came back to Islam and Ahl as-Sunnah - is himself an Hadith rejector, that's why he calls for "unitying the Ummah".

Ummah doesn't have to - and shouldn't - unite with the kuffar.

No, I haven't come back to ahlal sunnah, but that's not why I'm calling for unity. Unity is necessary otherwise nothing will change.

[Lictimind]

Alert: Joshimitsu - unless he repented and came back to Islam and Ahl as-Sunnah - is himself an Hadith rejector, that's why he calls for "unitying the Ummah".

Ummah doesn't have to - and shouldn't - unite with the kuffar.

brother umar. how are you keeping?

for the alert.

i have asked the mods before to have some means to differentiate between muslims and non-muslims such as hadith rejectors, lest people fall for their trap.

[Lictimind]

No, I haven't come back to ahlal sunnah, but that's not why I'm calling for unity. Unity is necessary otherwise nothing will change.

we are fine without you lot. go unite with the bahais, qadiyanis and any other kafir group you want.

please. just go. we dont need you people.

[FailiaFelay]

No, I haven't come back to ahlal sunnah,

May Allah guide you.

Unity is necessary otherwise nothing will change.

If only numbers are what is important, let Muslims rather unite with Jews and Christians who at least are Ahl al-Kitab and have rights in an Islamic State, rather then with Zanadiq and Heretics who wouldn't have a place in an Islamic State.

But it's not about numbers.

Unity is on Haqq.

[FailiaFelay]

brother umar. how are you keeping?

Alhamdulillah brother, going on and needing the ad'iyah of all pious brothers here..
Hope you are in the best of conditions!

i have asked the mods before to have some means to differentiate between muslims and non-muslims such as hadith rejectors, lest people fall for their trap.

I definitely second this request.
There is an huge increase in the number of deviants spreading their batil on Sunniforum and measures should be taken otherwise more people will get confused by their pseudo-"intellectualism" and fitna.

[Adamanta]

we are fine without you lot. go unite with the bahais, qadiyanis and any other kafir group you want.

please. just go. we dont need you people.

Am I not welcome here?

If only numbers are what is important, let Muslims rather unite with Jews and Christians who at least are Ahl al-Kitab and have rights in an Islamic State, rather then with Zanadiq and Heretics who wouldn't have a place in an Islamic State.

But it's not about numbers.

Unity is on Haqq.

Unity can be on action rather than something as subjective as haqq. Your enemies are the same as that of the shia and other "deviant" groups.

[MilenaMKB]

Am I not welcome here?

Hadith rejectors are not welcomed here.

[Lictimind]

Am I not welcome here?

You are welcome here just as any non muslim is welcome here - to learn - not to spout your rubbish and use the site as a soap box.

As an ummah we will never unite with non muslims. You and your kind might have a need for us, but we have no need for your kind. Even if there is just ONE true muslim left upon this earth, inshallah he will not unite with any non muslim falsely claiming to be a muslim. We have no need to strengthen ourselves with numbers if this means having to unite with non muslims. We will strengthen ourselves with the help of Allah. Allah is enough for us and what He has willed, will come to pass.

You and your kind are better off uniting with the likes of the bahai and qadiyanis, as you lot have nothing to do with us. Get it into your head that 'we' and 'you' are not the same in deen in anyway at all.

[Ephejvll]

Am I not welcome here?

Since you're already here, you should take this opportunity to study Islam and to know the reasons why not believing in hadith is kufr.

Unity can't be achieved with those who have corruptions in their aqeedah. Otherwise it's just a tool for political gains, and that's exactly what shi'a are doing right now. Take rafidis and alawite for example. Even though some of the high ranking rafidi scholars (khomenei included) declared alawites as kufr, but for the sake of political gains (against sunnis), they claim that alawites are their brothers (hence the support for assad in Syria). Despicable, isn't?

Rather than to spout "unity" everywhere you go, isn't better to study Islam properly and to live by it, as Allah will protect those who do, here in the dunya and in the next world.

Allahu'alam.

[FailiaFelay]

Your enemies are the same as that of the shia and other "deviant" groups.

How come, when shia and other deviant groups are my enemies themselves?