[lierro]

Assalamu Alaikum, Hope everybody is doing well, inshaAllah!

Is it true that a man can divorce his wife if she cannot have children? Men can marry four wives, then why do they divorce their wife, why not just take a second wife?

[Allorneadesee]

Waaleykum salaam.
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Firstly, do not speak about Umar bin al-Khattab in such a manner.

Secondly, it is permissible but Makrooh to marry such a woman. If Umar married with the praiseworthy aim of increasing the numbers of the Ummah, then he would not have been capable of doing so due to this marriage, would he not?

[lierro]

But Allah has allowed men to take four wives and from what I know wife's infertility is one of the reasons Allah swt allows polygamy. If Allah has given so many provisions for men to fulfil their desires then why is it not a sin to divorce his wife just because she is infertile? Infertility is from Allah swt, aren't we all supposed to exercise patience with what Allah has given us? What will all the infertile women do? Their husband leaves them and marrying them is makrooh..so they are left alone and abandoned like a piece of trash.

This is acting like a severe blow to my imaan and I need help understanding this. I request brothers/sisters to please shed some light on this or direct me to someone who can explain. I would greatly appreciate it.

[Allorneadesee]

It is not specified what happened to her afterwards. I doubt very much that Umar left her completely alone and without any support because it does not fit his generous character.

It is not a sin to divorce regardless, so why would it be a sin to divorce for a reason?

[soitlyobserty]

Assalamu Alaikum, Hope everybody is doing well, inshaAllah!

Is it true that a man can divorce his wife if she cannot have children? I read somewhere that Hazrat Umar (ra) divorced his wife because she couldn't have children, is that true?

I have also read a hadith something to the effect that prophet (saw) prohibited a man from marrying an infertile woman. Why would Allah (swt) make someone infertile and then order us to not marry her? This doesn't seem right. Why are infertile women being punished, who will marry them? I am sure I am missing something here, kindly help as I am going through some personal issues of my own and this will inshaAllah put my mind at ease.

Such thoughts had crossed my mind also at some point of time but they do not bother me that much now. Even then I would like to know the scholarly position. I suppose user opinion is not really that important. I suppose you should post the query on some fatawah site. Wallahualam.
Wassalam

[hrotedk]

I think equally if a man is impotent, a woman may not be encouraged to marry such a man as one of the main reasons for marriage is to have children. Today as we dont have proper islamic system, trials get magnified. Allahu alam.

[lierro]

I am not talking about hazrat Umar's ex-wife in specific but divorced women in general.

I was not aware that divorce without reason is not a sin. Is it a sin only for women if they divorce without reason?

My question actually is what are infertile women supposed to do if they are either divorced/ nobody wants to marry them because it is makrooh?

[lierro]

I think equally if a man is impotent, a woman may not be encouraged to marry such a man as one of the main reasons for marriage is to have children. Today as we dont have proper islamic system, trials get magnified. Allahu alam.

You are right but if a man impotent the only option a woman has is to leave him if she wants children. But a man has options of taking another wife, why should he then leave her?

[6M8PJigS]

But Allah has allowed men to take four wives and from what I know wife's infertility is one of the reasons Allah swt allows polygamy. If Allah has given so many provisions for men to fulfil their desires then why is it not a sin to divorce his wife just because she is infertile? Infertility is from Allah swt, aren't we all supposed to exercise patience with what Allah has given us? What will all the infertile women do? Their husband leaves them and marrying them is makrooh..so they are left alone and abandoned like a piece of trash.

This is acting like a severe blow to my imaan and I need help understanding this. I request brothers/sisters to please shed some light on this or direct me to someone who can explain. I would greatly appreciate it.

salam alikum,
you worry so much sister... dont say like that - piece of trush - no, such woman can stay in marraige or seek for new marriage, allah created people differently for different reasons, there is no reason to give up love, marriage ... and islam is perfect also in this respect, as brother mentioned there is solution if man wants kids - to marry another women.... and also - the unfertile woman can be mother too, take care of other kids or similar, there is so many things to do in this world.....
w alikum assalam

[hrotedk]

I am not talking about hazrat Umar's ex-wife in specific but divorced women in general.

I was not aware that divorce without reason is not a sin. Is it a sin only for women if they divorce without reason?

My question actually is what are infertile women supposed to do if they are either divorced/ nobody wants to marry them because it is makrooh?

Allah would show some way as life is test. I know a woman divorced her husband because he was impotent. She married another husband and got children while the ex-husband is single and he takes care of himself as he earns. I think this is a trial for both men and women. I can understand for a woman, it would be a tough trial if she didnt get proper protection and security from her mahram men. Also a life partner is required by both men and women and it is trial for both. Same goes with people afflicted with some serious illness. Anyway there are men and women who dont divorce their partners for this reason but live with patience and there are men who are willing to take such women as second wife too. Also I know men marrying such women or vice versa adopt children and live with good understanding. It depends on people. Allah SWT has HIs way for each of His servants. Allahu alam

[6M8PJigS]

salam alikum:

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged marriage to women who are fertile. It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will feel proud of your large numbers before the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by Ahmad (12202). Classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan (3/338) and by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaa’id (4/474).

Sham al-Deen Abaadi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Wudood (loving) means she loves her husband.

Wulood (fertile) means the one who bears many children.

These two conditions are mentioned together because if a fertile woman is not loving, her husband will feel no desire for her, and if a loving woman is not fertile, the desired aim will not be achieved, which is to increase the numbers of the ummah by producing many children. These two characteristics may be known in the case of virgins from the behaviour of their relatives, because in most cases relatives are similar in behaviour and characteristics.

‘Awn al-Ma’bood (6/33-34)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told men not to marry infertile women. It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yasaar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: I have found a woman who is of good lineage and beautiful, but she cannot have children. Should I marry her? He said: No. Then he came to him a second time, and he told him not (to marry that woman). Then he came to him a third time and he said: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the nations.” Narrated by al-Nasaa’i (3227) and Abu Dawood (2050). Classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan (9/363) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb (1921).

This prohibition does not mean that it is haraam, rather it is makrooh. The scholars stated that choosing a fertile woman is mustahabb, not obligatory.

Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni:

It is mustahabb that she be from a family whose women are known to bear many children. End quote.

Al-Manaawi said in Fayd al-Qadeer (6. hadeeth 9775):

Marrying a woman who is not fertile is makrooh. End quote.

Just as it is permissible for a woman to marry an infertile man, it is also permissible for a man to marry an infertile woman.

Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath:

As for one who cannot have children or who has no desire for women or for intimacy, this (marriage) is permissible in his case, if the woman is aware of that and agrees to it. End quote.

w alikum assalam

[Sydneyfonzi]

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My question actually is what are infertile women supposed to do if they are either divorced/ nobody wants to marry them because it is makrooh?

Infertile women can marry with infertile man or man who do not want children(e.g a widower who already have children)

[Escamsrasiush]

السلام عليكم

Emtional issues are very delicate and should be addressed carefully. The sister has already mentioned that she has to deal with some personal issues of her own. I believe if any brother/sister in SF who has personal connection with any ulema/Mufti with background of dealing with emotional issues can either get their opinion and post them in the SF or request the person to post them himself. Alternately, the sister may post her question in any of the trustworthy fatwa sites with a request to provide her also a personal response.

My request to the sister is to keep patience and trust in Allah (SWT). He is equally kind to all his creation and He has infinite ways to deal with issues.

[6M8PJigS]

Infertile women can marry with infertile man or man who do not want children(e.g a widower who already have children)

salam alikum,
this is real problem what you present... not infertile woman.
w alikum assalam

[staisacic]

Salaam alaikum,

This is why polygyny should be encouraged today more than ever, because in the end women are suffering and being put into bad situations as they have no mahram. Men should first become actual men, not grown up boys, they should work hard and atleast marry two wives. And the women should get out of this Romeo and Juliette nonsense. If you marry for the sake of your nafs, polygyny will not work, but if you marry for the sake of Allah, then it works very well. And you should look for infertile women, handicapped women, divorced women, these are the ones who end up suffering and living lonely lives generally. In the end, marriage is about companionship, having a friend to share things with, not romance and that garbage. We should get things in order and a lot of these problems would disappear.

[bugagasikaga]

You are right but if a man impotent the only option a woman has is to leave him if she wants children. But a man has options of taking another wife, why should he then leave her?

Its the same case... If the man is impotent the wife can also divorce him. Just a few months back I have seen a case where the woman has divorced her husband because he is impotent.

In my opinion if wife is infertile, there is nothing to divorce her.... the husband can marry second wife

[MilenaMKB]

Infertility in a Man or a woman is a disability just like a Handicap. Just like a blind person or a deaf person. We all know the hadith which mentions the reward of a blind person who has patience and trust in Allah. The reward is nothing but Jannah.

So if one is willing to be patient on whatever discrimination a person will suffer due a disability, be it infertility or blindness, InshaAllah the reward will be immense. We should have blind trust in the laws of Shariah Allah Ta'ala has laid down for us.


Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said:
"Allah said, 'If I deprive my slave of his two beloved things (his eyes) and he remains patient, I will let him enter Paradise in compensation for them.'"
[Sahih Bukhari]

[6M8PJigS]

Salaam alaikum,

This is why polygyny should be encouraged today more than ever, because in the end women are suffering and being put into bad situations as they have no mahram. Men should first become actual men, not grown up boys, they should work hard and atleast marry two wives. And the women should get out of this Romeo and Juliette nonsense. If you marry for the sake of your nafs, polygyny will not work, but if you marry for the sake of Allah, then it works very well. And you should look for infertile women, handicapped women, divorced women, these are the ones who end up suffering and living lonely lives generally. In the end, marriage is about companionship, having a friend to share things with, not romance and that garbage. We should get things in order and a lot of these problems would disappear.

bump and bump

w alikum assalam

[Maphpseurse]

The Prophet[SAWS] gave different advice to different people...people need to be careful in quoting hadiths without good understanding.
If the wife is infertile the brother can take another wife...there's no need to divorce anyone...unless the first wife don't want him to take another wife then she may end up divorce.

Allah has made a way for these kind of situations if we just open our hearts.

[Maphpseurse]

Salaam alaikum,

This is why polygyny should be encouraged today more than ever, because in the end women are suffering and being put into bad situations as they have no mahram. Men should first become actual men, not grown up boys, they should work hard and atleast marry two wives. And the women should get out of this Romeo and Juliette nonsense. If you marry for the sake of your nafs, polygyny will not work, but if you marry for the sake of Allah, then it works very well. And you should look for infertile women, handicapped women, divorced women, these are the ones who end up suffering and living lonely lives generally. In the end, marriage is about companionship, having a friend to share things with, not romance and that garbage. We should get things in order and a lot of these problems would disappear.

I agree with everything you said here...if only the Muslims abide by this.But too many have become so westernised.It's a shame!