[Soypopetype]

No, the Muwatta is not merely a book of hadith. It is a formulation of law derived from both hadith and other sources. It merely contains a lot of hadith

The attahiyat is definitely mentioned in there, it contains the supplication read by Aisha ra and also that of Umar ibn al Khattab ra, if I remember correctly.

It seems that somebody hasn't been following this thread too well!

Our discussion here isn't about whether the tashahhud is mentioned in ahadith, no fool would even deny that, as it is mentioned in dozens of ahadith, in nearly every hadith colelction.

If you had read properly, you would have realised that the discussion is concerning a narration that claims the origin of tashahhud as being a dialogue that ensued between Allah Ta'ala, Nabi and Jibra'il .

This is definitely not mentioned in the Muatta, nor has any trace been found for it in any other book of hadith.

Hope it is clear now.

As for:

NO, why do people keep repeating this half-understanding? It has ahadith but more importantly it has fiqh. It is a formulation of law. The Imam's intention in compiling it was not to present a book of ahadith.

No, the Muwatta is not merely a book of hadith. It is a formulation of law derived from both hadith and other sources. It merely contains a lot of hadith

Well I know the Muwatta isn't strictly speaking a book of hadith, but it's in there, isn't it?

It seems that you haven't understood this properly, as well.

The Muatta is definitely a book of hadith.
It is primarily a collection of ahadith, from which law has been formulated, with additional sprinklings of law from other sources.
Due to it being a collection of ahadith, it is classified as such, thus you will find the great masters when discussing the various books of hadith, placing the Muatta amongst them.
Similarly, if one goes to any library, where will he find the Muatta? In the fiqh section? No, in the hadith one.

If containing other sources prevents it from being a book of hadith, then I wonder what you would classify Sahih Bukhari as. It contains much more material from other sources when compared to the Muatta, in addition to being full to the brim with istidlal and fiqh.

Yes, the Muatta is not merely a hadith collection, however if you made an attempt to read our posts clearly, you will find that no-one ever claimed that it is "merely a book of hadith".
It is definitely a book of fiqh as well, however primarily it is a hadith book, just as Sahih Bukhari is a hadith book primarily, not a fiqhi one.
Similarly Jami' at-Tirmidhi isn't classified as a book on al-fiqh al-muqarin - inspite of being full of that- due to it being primarily classfied as a hadith collection.

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Hehe, jazak allah kheir Khanbaba for pointing that out kindly, and also to Soofi_Saheb for thoughtfully repeating the clarification again in case I missed it the first time. Will respectfully disagree with you concerning the Muwatta. Though I do thank you for your adab befitting the "mufti" appellation.

[BliliBoopsy]

heard this 'hadith' in jummah bayan today
The Alim was using the incident to show that even when conversing with Allah Taala, Rasulullah Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam did not forget about his ummah ( Assalamu alayna wa ala ibadilahis saliheen)

[sam]

heard this 'hadith' in jummah bayan today
The Alim was using the incident to show that even when conversing with Allah Taala, Rasulullah Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam did not forget about his ummah ( Assalamu alayna wa ala ibadilahis saliheen)

I read you can interrupt the imam in his kutba when he narrates fabricated hadith, is this a valid position?

[werkeeque]

Can u plz confirm it again if this is fabricated?? cuz i ve personally seen Ulema like Mufti Taqi Usmani and Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Akhtar Sahab Db mention this event in their Speeches.............. i'll be glad if brother abu hajira can come up with something... Jazak Allah



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[viagradiscounttt]

My husband was told the same thing at Jumma khutba here =)

[Nwxffgke]

ok on the same subject

Is it allowed to make a silent duah AFTER saying Tahiyat and BEFORE making Salaam?

Shukran

[JeremyBalll]

ok on the same subject

Is it allowed to make a silent duah AFTER saying Tahiyat and BEFORE making Salaam?

Shukran

bro.

There are lots of Duas the Prophet made after Tahiyat and Salatul Ibrahim and before Salaam. My understanding is making duas other than the prescribed ones will invalidate Salah.

Here is one Dua:

[FailiaFelay]

ok on the same subject

Is it allowed to make a silent duah AFTER saying Tahiyat and BEFORE making Salaam?

Shukran

It's actually Sunnah to read a du'a' after the at-tahyiat (and the Salah Ibrahimiyyah) and before the Salam; obviously in Arabic and with words that doesn't resemble "human", "mundane" speech.. Best to stick to masnoon ad'yah..

EDIT: Sorry brother Amr: hadn't seen your post!

[Injurnerona]

Narrated by 'Abdullah bin Masud
We used to say the greeting, name and greet each other in the prayer. Allah's Apostle heard it and said:--"Say, 'At-tahiyyatu lil-lahi was-salawatu wat-taiyibatu . Assalamu 'Alaika aiyuha-n-Nabiyu wa-rahmatu-l-lahi wa-barakatuhu. _ Assalamu alaina wa-'ala 'ibadi-l-lahi as-salihin.. Ashhadu an la ilaha illa-l-lah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan 'abdu hu wa Rasuluh. (All the compliments are for Allah and all the prayers and all the good things (are for Allah). Peace be on you, O Prophet, and Allah's mercy and blessings (are on you). And peace be on us and on the good (pious) worshipers of Allah. I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Apostle.) So, when you have said this, then you have surely sent the greetings to every good (pious) worship per of Allah, whether he be in the Heaven or on the Earth . Volume 2, Book 22, Number 294

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