[nushentelve]

اَلْخَبِيْثٰتُ لِلْخَبِيْثِيْنَ۠ وَ الْخَبِيْثُوْنَ لِلْخَبِيْثٰتِ١ۚ وَ الطَّيِّبٰتُ لِلطَّيِّبِيْنَ وَ الطَّيِّبُوْنَ لِلطَّيِّبٰتِ ۲۴:۲۶

Bad statements are for bad people (or bad women for bad men) and bad people for bad statements (or bad men for bad women). Good statements are for good people (or good women for good men) and good people for good statements (or good men for good women)۔

لِيَمِيْزَ اللّٰهُ الْخَبِيْثَ مِنَ الطَّيِّبِ وَ يَجْعَلَ الْخَبِيْثَ بَعْضَهٗ عَلٰى بَعْضٍ فَيَرْكُمَهٗ جَمِيْعًا فَيَجْعَلَهٗ فِيْ جَهَنَّمَ١ؕ اُولٰٓىِٕكَ هُمُ الْخٰسِرُوْنَؒ ۸:۳۷

In order thatAllah may distinguish the wicked (disbelievers, polytheists and doers of evil deeds) from the good (believers of Islmic Monotheism and doers of righteous deeds), and put the wicked (disbelievers, polytheists and doers of evil deeds) one on another, heap them together and cast them into Hell. Those! it is they who are the losers.

This is Tariq Jameel:


Saying Entire Sahabah Kafir (without excepting any any one Sahabi, ) DOES NOT EFFECT your Isalm (you are still muslim)
(Although it is the annulment of entire Shirat and entire Deen!!!!! -me)

Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi (the founder of deviant barelvis) was not extreme deviant, even he was "Marhoom"
Moudui was Great hanafi Alim his all saying/believes are a/c Ahlesunnat wa Al jamamat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=elju55ap7vk

You have seen the views of Tariq Jameel on Tahir ul Qadir

Now Tahir ul Qadri sample


He is ONE OF THE MOST WELL KNOWN DEVIENT BARELVI of THIS WORLD. Here is sample deviancy of Tahir ul Qadri (see with mute, here people are doing dance with Ghungroo -it is an musical ornament, here in subcontintent the classical prostitutes wear these things- with music)

peoples are doing Sajadah to Tahir ul Qadri


http://www.alhudatube.com/video/841/...Tahir-ul-Qadri

[pumpineemob]

Saying Entire Sahabah Kafir (without excepting any any one Sahabi, ) DOES NOT EFFECT your Isalm (you are still muslim)
(Although it is the annulment of entire Shirat and entire Deen!!!!! -me)

Mawlana Tariq Jamil made ruju' from this statement after 'Allamah 'Ali Sher Haydri had a discussion with him.

[sttrqiss]

وَقُلْ لِعِبَادِي يَقُولُوا الَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ يَنزَغُ بَيْنَهُمْ


“And say to My servants to speak that which is the best, for shaytaan seeks to draw divisions between them.”
[al Isra' 17:53]

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[77rexulceme]

The TUQ defenders should have more presence in threads where his beliefs are criticized. Why are they coming out of the wood works now that a Deobandi 'alim praises him?

Mawlana Tariq Jameel cannot be used as proof of validity because he is a da'ee and not an apologist or debater. There are ulama who have done their research on TUQ and have come to the conclusion that he is a mubtadi'. Ml. Tariq Jameel most likely does not know and/or does not wish to delve into these issues in an effort to soften the hearts of the TUQ supporters to Tableegh and the ulama of haq. The purpose of Ml. Tariq Jameel's bayanat is also not to be a replacement for what one learns at madrasas because he does narrate from weak narrations or narrates from Israeliyat or narrates from this or that source. I've been told that he agrees that he may narrate some stories that may or may not be true but the purpose in doing so is not deception but inspiration, just how we read books of fable for inspiration and motivation when we were younger. So, Ml. Tariq Jameel is the most excellent da'ee of our times as he tries to call everyone towards Islam without delving into sectarianism but there are ulama more knowledgeable than him who have made farq between haq and baatil.

[Gskdmidd]

Bismihee Ta'aala

Asalamualaikum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngI...eature=related


Are u serious? Allowing people to call to kufar!

[mpzoFeJs]

Why is this Shaikh being defended for praising a "biddati" when if anyone came here to try and make excuses for such a person they would be shot down as liberal, modernists, etc, and roundly ridiculed? May Allah bless Shaikh Tariq Jameel and Shaikh Tahir Qadri, purify them further and increase their benefit.

[DP5Ups8o]

Mawlana Tariq Jamil made ruju' from this statement after 'Allamah 'Ali Sher Haydri had a discussion with him.

This was pointed out earlier too by you.
May be people missed it at that time.

[Vemnagelignc]

Salaam

Please permit me to say: This "benefit of the doubt" should be extended to all scholars and not just Maulana Tariq Jameel. I have this feeling that if another scholar praised Tahir ul Qadri as "Shaykh ul Islam", there would be all sorts of name calling and chaos.

Allah knows best.

[discountviagraman]

see this letter of Nabi saw to hiraql:
من محمد رسول الله إلى هرقل عظيم الروم - (سنن أبي داود » أبواب النوم » باب كيف يكتب إلى الذمي

when our prophet saw said Azimir rum to hiraql who is not muslim,so whats problem if moulana tariq jamil said shaikhul islam to TUQ?

first see how many ppl changed their life and be true muslim with effort of moulana tariq jamil sb and how many from efforts of us? and his love of our nabi saw,no word for it.just for example some years back while well known muhaddis e kabir shaikh yunus jonpuri haf. in hajj and moulana tariq jamil sb came to meet him,after order of shaikh he talked about how our nabi saw perform hajj and he delivered nabi method of hajj with practical,all present were crying include shaikh haf.
has any one of us this type of love?
if we have,we cant attack on any muslim

after all this is very good answer

Mawlana Tariq Jameel cannot be used as proof of validity because he is a da'ee and not an apologist or debater. There are ulama who have done their research on TUQ and have come to the conclusion that he is a mubtadi'. Ml. Tariq Jameel most likely does not know and/or does not wish to delve into these issues in an effort to soften the hearts of the TUQ supporters to Tableegh and the ulama of haq. The purpose of Ml. Tariq Jameel's bayanat is also not to be a replacement for what one learns at madrasas because he does narrate from weak narrations or narrates from Israeliyat or narrates from this or that source. I've been told that he agrees that he may narrate some stories that may or may not be true but the purpose in doing so is not deception but inspiration, just how we read books of fable for inspiration and motivation when we were younger. So, Ml. Tariq Jameel is the most excellent da'ee of our times as he tries to call everyone towards Islam without delving into sectarianism but there are ulama more knowledgeable than him who have made farq between haq and baatil.

[mpzoFeJs]

Salaam

Please permit me to say: This "benefit of the doubt" should be extended to all scholars and not just Maulana Tariq Jameel. I have this feeling that if another scholar praised Tahir ul Qadri as "Shaykh ul Islam", there would be all sorts of name calling and chaos.

Allah knows best.

Exactly.

[Polopolop]

whatever it may be, but such statements do cause unneccessary confusion in masses. 'Unity at all costs' can be probomatic.
And calling some one "shaykhulIslam" means that his (TUQ's) interpretation of deen is acceptable.

[FUNALA]

whatever it may be, but such statements do cause unneccessary confusion in masses. 'Unity at all costs' can be probomatic.
And calling some one "shaykhulIslam" means that his (TUQ's) interpretation of deen is acceptable.

Does not matter if many of his other statements had cleared many confusions in the minds of masses and made islaah of countless people.One of the experience/karguzari of one of his fan on the fan page of Moulana on 'fb'.

I have met with maulana sb last year after a hard struggle, he is such an inspireable personality and with zero proudness. More than 6 feet height with wide body greenish brown eyes smiling face very polite while speaking. Shadeed takleef ma b bandy ke pori baat sunty hain phr us ko intehai pyar se satisfy kar dety hain dalail se. Ma na internet pa un ka khilaf ek ghair mukalid ke video daiki thi jis ma us na ye ilzam lagaya ka maulana na mohra shareef ma ek urs ke takreeb ma nabi ka tarjma yani "ghaib ke khabar sunany wala" ghalat kya hai. Ma na maulana se pocha tou unho na mery se kaha us se pocho nabi ka matlab kya hota hai...mazeed yea ka nabi ka matlab he khabar sunany wala hota hai r dosri baat yea ka nabi kabi apny ghar ka halat ya zati zindgi ke khabrain tou bitata nahi woh hamesha Allah ke tarf se nazil kya hoa ghaib ka ilm he logo ko bita hai r 3rd yea ka nabi ghaib ke khabar sirf sunata hai janta nahi. Allah maulana sb ko nabi pak (saw) ke shafaat naseeb kary he is a true aashiq e rasool. Lakin hamain chahye ka un ke ek ek baat ko sunain r samjhain r amal karain r jasy ka kch din pehlay lahore jamia ashrafia ma ho 50,000 se zyada chahny waly un ko sunny aa gaye r wahan bohat shor barpa kya jis se unhy bohat takleef hoi r woh naraz ho kar wapis gaye r wapsi par b unhy niklty waqt mushkil hoi. Maulana sb na mjhy bitaya tha ka majmy ma salam karnay se unhy takleef hoti hai jabky yea haram hai r salam ya musafah karna sunat tou sunat pori karny ka lye haram kam karna tou jaiz nahi is lye akabreen r ulema ka deedar ho jana he bari baat hai agar koi mulaqat ka talabgar ho tou woh waqt la kar un ka gao tulamba jaye wahan woh ap ko milain gay b r mehman dari b karain ga. Dua goo.

[Polopolop]

Does not matter if many of his other statements had cleared many confusions in the minds of masses and made islaah of countless people.One of the experience/karguzari of one of his fan on the fan page of Moulana on 'fb'.

:salam;
brother, I am not denying the work of Maulana Tariq jameel sb, but that doesnt mean that calling controversial scholars as "Shaikul Islam" (which means that he is an authentic authority on Islam) is acceptable. And also, I heard that bayan where he compares Maududi sb with Hakimul ummat Thanwi R.A. and says that Maududi sb's writings were more effective for common people than Hakimul ummat's which is unacceptable. So, now do we encourage people to read his books since he was a "good Hanafi Aalim"? Such problematic "unity" statements basically put the Ulema who have warned against maududi/Tahir ul Qadri/Farhat hashmi etc in the bracket of 'narrow-minded and sectarian extremists'. May Allah guide our Ulema.

[NKUDirectory]

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[FUNALA]

This is what goes wrong in threads like these on the entire net .
How it dose more harm then good.

The mass media world we live in leaves no one untouched of controversy .

Now people like me who might have benefited from both these two individuals on their general topics will all of a sudden find them troublesome and doubtful . This makes urgent the need for more information to go in depth on their beliefs and potentially ruin my appetite for any
message they give.

I rather have not known about the odd speech they said or event that happened and focused on what they stand for overall.

You can never get the hard line supporters of any individual 'sheikh' tackling these issues which creates a lasting image of their 'icon' status .

The new practicing Muslim and new at Islam find themselves without a ' mawla ' / leader. Very soon they find themselves alone in masses of millions of the same faith.

There are people who follow some ulema so strictly that it becomes the only way for them that they will remain adhere to islaam.Any kind of doubt about these scholars have a very bad effect on people who make ulema an icon for themselves and when such matters comes out it some times turns into a catastrophe for their deen.

So I request the moderators please understand this and remove this thread from the General Islam and I request not to discuss such matter in public or public fora and leave it on the ulema instead.

[NKUDirectory]

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[xIuvyAuT]

This is a very depressing and pointless thread. Its rather like many of the people in it think they can appoint themselves judge of learned Muslims and scholars over differences in understandings of Islam that are matters of real scholarly disagreement, not matters of gossiping.

[NKUDirectory]

This is a very depressing and pointless thread. Its rather like many of the people in it think they can appoint themselves judge of learned Muslims and scholars over differences in understandings of Islam that are matters of real scholarly disagreement, not matters of gossiping.

Depressing true. pointless , don't think so . The people you mention, those average Muslims with average understandings of Islam are the very audience these scholars are trying to reach.

And if your audience get second thoughts about you when what you do or say gets known by everyone so easily its time these scholars start taking notice of it.

Islam was not meant to be an elitist belief after all.

[wmirkru]

Assalamu alaykum

Are we aware of the situation in Pakistan today:

It is Barelvi vs deobandi vs salafee vs qadiyanee vs shia vs sipah-e-sahabah vs muhajir vs pathan vs TTP vs PPP vs Bulochs vs xxxxxxxxx.

Are we aware of killings of many respected scholars in the recent , is any one having the list.

Many recent scholars are suffixed with shaheed in Pakistan. Recently Moulana Ilyas Ghuman had narrow escape.

To create peaceful atmosphere to live in, a poor soul tries to build bridges and he is being targeted. Is this Uswa snd from seerah of Rasulullah SAS?

Let us ignore what the salafees say on this. They have already declared all ahnaf including their Imam to be mushriks.

When Addi bin Haatim (a hardcore follower of christianity) arrived in the durbar of Rasulullah SAS, Rasulullah SAS welcomed him; spread his shawl and made him sit over that. Rasulullah PRAISED him and his qaum.
While speaking Addi bi Haatim words were tough. All this happened. But results!! Subhanallah.

Can any sane person call tahir padri shaiekh al islam? None of what you said makes the slightest sense.All what i can conclude from your post is that for you tariq is infallible and you will create thousands of straw-man arguments to keep his idol safe in your mind.We have broken many idols in subcontinent and We are to break the rest of the idols soon. Inshallah your next generation will be different.

[wmirkru]

There is a deobandi on haqqforum whose signature reads

شیخ الاسلام نہیں شیخ الشیطان ہے وہ
جو طاہر القادری کو شیخ مانے کیسا مسلمان ہے وہ

http://www.haqqforum.com/vb/showthre...1760#post91760

Lol i dont know what is he thinking now.