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Old 02-22-2010, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default yusuf islam & dawud wharnsby why have they gone back to using music ?
What happend ?

they are still muslims arent they ?
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:01 PM   #2
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You mean instrumental music? If so, that's too bad. But I don't think either of them actually gave up instrumentals, though I'm not sure. However, I suppose so much of their former identities revolved around music, it must be hard for them...I mean imagine if you told a doctor he couldn't treat patients anymore, or barred a scientist from his lab...you'd be taking away a chunk of what he is, know what I mean? Of course it still doesn't make it okay.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:32 PM   #3
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I think I remember them mentioning how they discovered that there are differing opinions in regards to the permissibility of music, so they lightened their stance on the issue.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:41 PM   #4
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I thought all madhabs were very strictly against using musical instruments ?

I saw both of them using guitars.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:37 PM   #5
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I thought all madhabs were very strictly against using musical instruments ?
yes they are.

but dawud does not care. he is not a muslim.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:49 PM   #6
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yes they are.

but dawud does not care. he is not a muslim.


So using a musical instrument makes you a non-Muslim now? You haven't even questioned him or anything, but you're that willing to declare him to be an apostate? You should really ask for Allah"s forgiveness; declaring a Muslim to be an apostate is no small matter.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:51 PM   #7
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yes they are.

but dawud does not care. he is not a muslim.
Wha ? he is not muslum.... as in he left Islam ?
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:51 PM   #8
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yes they are.

but dawud does not care. he is not a muslim.
what??? are you serious. did he leave islaam if so when and why or is he not muslim for statement or actions he has done?
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:52 PM   #9
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he never was a muslim to begin with.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:52 PM   #10
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So using a musical instrument makes you a non-Muslim now? You haven't even questioned him or anything, but you're that willing to declare him to be an apostate? You should really ask for Allah"s forgiveness; declaring a Muslim to be an apostate is no small matter.
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I think you misunderstood the brother. I think he's referring to the individual's beliefs which are more perennialism than Islam. If I remember reading, he said in an interview something along the lines of him not subscribing exclusively to any one religion.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:54 PM   #11
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sorry. it took a bit of time finding this.

taken from his website.

What Is Dawud’s Reigion? Islam? Christianity? Buddhism? Bahai? Sufism?

Just as Dawud does not like to slot his music into any one general musical genre he has grown to avoid being bound to the expectations of any one religious community. Dawud does not personally believe a “religion” is something one “belongs to”, but believes religion is a foundation of principals one seeks to live by and develop each day — both personally and through social outreach. Inspired by transcendentalist philosophy and scriptures from all times and all places, Dawud finds great peace in the wisdom of Native American spirituality, unitarian universalism, teachings of the Buddha, the philosophy of Tao (“The Way”), the words of Al Qur’an and most importantly, through daily self-reflection and connection with nature.

Dawud respects anyone who tries their best to follow a spiritual discipline with humility, honesty and integrity. He enjoys learning from all of his friends and family members who associate themselves with various communities of faith. Dawud’s “faith community” includes anyone who believes in and acts with truth, love, compassion, fairness, responsibility and humility in their efforts to make the world a better place.

Dawud holds a belief in a higher power and “Creator” of all that is. He does not pretend to fully comprehend the nature of The Creator, but feels each day is a new step on his spiritual journey of better understanding.

In 1993 Dawud was impacted by the words of Al Qur’an (The Recitation) and has made the best effort, since that time, to privately study and act upon their teachings. Dawud does not however, accept all of what has become connected to Al Qur’an through cultural and traditional interpretations of it. Though Dawud respects the efforts, lives and opinions of religious scholars (those who have studied the Torah, Talmud, Bible, Qur’an, Hadith, etc) he is not devoted to any specific institution of learning, religious school of thought, group, religious movement, teacher, guru, sheikh or saint — nor does Dawud accept a universal system of man-governed religious law derived from any one scripture.

In his songs, poetry and educational efforts Dawud has frequently used the word “muslim” in reference to himself, maintaining that his use of the word is based upon its literal meaning in Arabic “one who submits to God’s will” or “enters into peace”.

“If I play music, I am a musician. I might not be the best musician, but I will at least try my best. If I believe in a higher power and do all I can to surrender in peace to the natural way of that power, I will be a person who brings peace and is at peace with nature and all around me. I will never be the best person, but I will be a person who tries their best. Whatever name is attributed to me by others doesn’t matter to me anymore. I’m more worried about working hard to change the world for the better in the little time I have left.”

-d. wharnsby
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:07 AM   #12
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sorry. it took a bit of time finding this.

taken from his website.

What Is Dawud’s Reigion? Islam? Christianity? Buddhism? Bahai? Sufism?

Just as Dawud does not like to slot his music into any one general musical genre he has grown to avoid being bound to the expectations of any one religious community. Dawud does not personally believe a “religion” is something one “belongs to”, but believes religion is a foundation of principals one seeks to live by and develop each day — both personally and through social outreach. Inspired by transcendentalist philosophy and scriptures from all times and all places, Dawud finds great peace in the wisdom of Native American spirituality, unitarian universalism, teachings of the Buddha, the philosophy of Tao (“The Way”), the words of Al Qur’an and most importantly, through daily self-reflection and connection with nature.

Dawud respects anyone who tries their best to follow a spiritual discipline with humility, honesty and integrity. He enjoys learning from all of his friends and family members who associate themselves with various communities of faith. Dawud’s “faith community” includes anyone who believes in and acts with truth, love, compassion, fairness, responsibility and humility in their efforts to make the world a better place.

Dawud holds a belief in a higher power and “Creator” of all that is. He does not pretend to fully comprehend the nature of The Creator, but feels each day is a new step on his spiritual journey of better understanding.

In 1993 Dawud was impacted by the words of Al Qur’an (The Recitation) and has made the best effort, since that time, to privately study and act upon their teachings. Dawud does not however, accept all of what has become connected to Al Qur’an through cultural and traditional interpretations of it. Though Dawud respects the efforts, lives and opinions of religious scholars (those who have studied the Torah, Talmud, Bible, Qur’an, Hadith, etc) he is not devoted to any specific institution of learning, religious school of thought, group, religious movement, teacher, guru, sheikh or saint — nor does Dawud accept a universal system of man-governed religious law derived from any one scripture.

In his songs, poetry and educational efforts Dawud has frequently used the word “muslim” in reference to himself, maintaining that his use of the word is based upon its literal meaning in Arabic “one who submits to God’s will” or “enters into peace”.

“If I play music, I am a musician. I might not be the best musician, but I will at least try my best. If I believe in a higher power and do all I can to surrender in peace to the natural way of that power, I will be a person who brings peace and is at peace with nature and all around me. I will never be the best person, but I will be a person who tries their best. Whatever name is attributed to me by others doesn’t matter to me anymore. I’m more worried about working hard to change the world for the better in the little time I have left.”

-d. wharnsby
Someone needs to copy and paste the link to this to all those U-toooob videos of this guy....
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:10 AM   #13
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Someone needs to copy and paste the link to this to all those U-toooob videos of this guy....
here is the link bro.

get busy
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:35 AM   #14
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cant believe he holds these views and muslims go gaga over him.
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:57 AM   #15
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cant believe he holds these views and muslims go gaga over him.
His audience is mostly youths and children... So I don't think they have a clue abt his beliefs... I mean how many of us knew?

It came as a shock to me, I grew up listening to his nasheeds.

Is it ok to listen his nasheeds ?
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:47 AM   #16
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this is shocking

I remember watching a Tarbiya conference from Canada and he was present singing his Nasheeds, after his recitation Moulana Sulayman Moola sang his praise at the beginning of his lecture in front of everyone.. Surely he would have made salaat with them in that gathering....

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Old 02-23-2010, 01:48 AM   #17
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Assalamaulykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu,

i am shocked too..

i really like a few of his nasheeds..esp 'the story of Ibrahim (AS)","The prophet (sws)" and "city of madinah" and i think he also sang one "alhumdulilah i am muslim"

but then again...Allah alone knows whats in the heart.

may Allah taala guide him and all to what pleases Him.ameen

wassalamulykum
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:52 AM   #18
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السلام عليكم,

No one should doubt this is the age of deception.

I will make an effort to spread this information, and others should as well.
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:57 AM   #19
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Is it ok to listen his nasheeds ?
Definitely not!
To me this is definitely a shocking lesson about just listening to anything that sounds good to the ears, I guess. I'm going to make sure I stick to only nazms of those I know the background on from now on.


Another thing that comes to mind: Is this not exactly the situation that Allah has explicitly mentioned in the first Aayaat of Surah Munaafiqoon?? Amazing! Allah and his messenger have definitely spoken the truth!
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:04 AM   #20
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السلام عليكم,

No one should doubt this is the age of deception.

I will make an effort to spread this information, and others should as well.
I don't think we should be so hasty...

When was this article published, how long ago was the interview where he states he has many faiths (or whatever he said)

it may have been a long time ago, the reason I say this is because him and zain Bikha host an Islamic children show on peace T.V...

If he is not even a Muslim why would be employed to host an Islamic children show ??

Is yusuf Islam a Muslim ?
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