[cewIdeatovace]

Brother Abdul is correct.

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq was not a corrupt Shia. In fact, he is a source of Fiqh in Sunni Islam.

[Eromaveabeara]

Imans of Ahul-Bayt learning from Imam Abu Hanifa is somewhat extremely exaggerated

You are an extremist Shia with corrupt beliefs, your opinions are not taken into consideration.

[nushentelve]

We need to take it for what it is, without emotions. Yes, Abu Hanifa met with them, narrated from them, i.e. took ´Ilm from them. This makes them from his teachers in the strictest sense. Even today it is not uncommon that scholars have numerous teachers, the same holds true for the Imams of the Salaf. Obviously no one is saying that they taught him in the same way as Imam Hammad. There is also no shame in being a student of someone. Just as the majority of his knowledge might not have come from the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt, so too the majority of his Fiqh does not represent them. It is known that he supported Imam Zayd's revolt financially. And some of the Zaydiyah considered him from amongst their ranks in the looser sense.

As for Imam Ja'far's supposed statement about Imam Malik, several things need to be taken into consideration. Firstly, it may or may not be authentic. If authentic, it does not exclude others, as the Imam encouraged them to turn to the scholars of Madinah, and upon insistance he recommended Malik specifically. He did not say go to Malik and him alone, rather to the ´Ulama of Madina. Imam Ja'far had students who were closer to him, took more from him etc, such as his son Imam Musa. Radiya'Allahu ´anhum.

wa Allahu a´lam.

[Eromaveabeara]

We need to take it for what it is, without emotions. Yes, Abu Hanifa met with them, narrated from them, i.e. took ´Ilm from them. This makes them from his teachers in the strictest sense. Even today it is not uncommon that scholars have numerous teachers, the same holds true for the Imams of the Salaf. Obviously no one is saying that they taught him in the same way as Imam Hammad. There is also no shame in being a student of someone. Just as the majority of his knowledge might not have come from the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt, so too the majority of his Fiqh does not represent them. It is known that he supported Imam Zayd's revolt financially. And some of the Zaydiyah considered him from amongst their ranks in the looser sense.

As for Imam Ja'far's supposed statement about Imam Malik, several things need to be taken into consideration. Firstly, it may or may not be authentic. If authentic, it does not exclude others, as the Imam encouraged them to turn to the scholars of Madinah, and upon insistance he recommended Malik specifically. He did not say go to Malik and him alone, rather to the ´Ulama of Madina. Imam Ja'far had students who were closer to him, took more from him etc, such as his son Imam Musa. Radiya'Allahu ´anhum.

wa Allahu a´lam.

Salam 'Aleykum,

We all know how Malik (rah) would narrate from Ja'far (rah), but since I haven't read any of abu Hanifa's (rah) books I never saw any of his Hadiths from Ja'far (rah) or more importantly his father Muhammad bin Ali (rah), it'd be good if you bros can dig up some of these examples for us to see.

(I would also like to clarify to the brothers, just like abu Hanifa (rah) had many teachers also Ja'far (rah) had many teachers)

[interbaoui]

brother i did read this , but also read abdul1234 comments , then i checked tahir qadri's view also he also says that Imam Abu Hanifa (Rh) studied under Imam Jafar Saadiq (R.A) , and there is a sunni Mufti , Mufti Ghulam Rasool he has also the same opinion - whats wrong if Imam Abu Hanifa (Rh) studied under grandson of Holy Prophet (S) ? thats something to be proud of i think ??

There is a danger in saying that Imam Abu Hanifa studied under Imam Ja'far as-Saadiq if this is said without qualification. Why? Because a lot of what gets attributed and associated with Imam Ja'far as-Saadiq are the lies of Shi'ism - and there is almost always an ulterior motive when a Shi'a brings up this issue. But the fact of the matter is, the Shi'a have concocted many lies about Imam Ja'far as-Saadiq and try to attach these lies to Imam Abu Hanifa by proxy. So, even though there are Sunni ulama who have said this, they do not subscribe to the Shi'a view of Imam Ja'far as-Saadiq but instead consider him a high calibre Sunni scholar.

The Ja'fariya madhhab does not exist.

[BuyCheapest]

Asalamu Aleikum - even though brothers here dont agree with Tahir Qadri - but since i get knowledge of Islam from all scholars if its authentic - thus i read his book on Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (Rh) he has mentioned that Imam e Azam got his Ilm from 9 Ahle Bait - (1) Imam Muhammad Baaqir (R) (2) ImamZaid ibn Ali (R) (3) Imam Abdullah Ibn Ali (4) Imam Jafar Saadiq (5) Imam Abdullah bin Hassan (R) Imam Hassan bin Musalis (6) Imam Hassan bin Zaid (7) Imam Hassan bin Muhammad ibne Hanfia (8) Imam Jafar bin Tamam (R) and he has given full detail to how he got il from them


Mufti Ghulam Rasool has written few books on Imam Jafar Saadiq , Muhammad Baaqir , Zain al AAbideen ( May Allah be pleased with them all ) his view is also same of tahir Qadri's view

so in short i am proud to follow Imam e Azam if he got Ilm from Household of Prophet (S) , whats wrong in that , we hanafis should be Proud that our Imam got Ilm from the blessed Ahle BAit

[Abnorttrano]

The biographies of Imam Abu Hanifah haven't mentioned Imam Ja'far as his teacher, but it does mention Imam Muhammad al-Baqir as his teacher, if someone has any narrations of Imam Abu Hanifah narrating from Imam Ja'far then please bring it forward, otherwise the only thing that can be said is they were both contemporaries and they took from each other in the looser sense.

[Eujacwta]

The biographies of Imam Abu Hanifah haven't mentioned Imam Ja'far as his teacher, but it does mention Imam Muhammad al-Baqir as his teacher, if someone has any narrations of Imam Abu Hanifah narrating from Imam Ja'far then please bring it forward, otherwise the only thing that can be said is they were both contemporaries and they took from each other in the looser sense.

this that you are saying is not quite accurate brother.

for example

In Sheikh Muhammad Abu Zahra Azhari's biography of Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) it declares...


'it is confirmed that he (Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) studied with Zayd ibn Ali Zayn al Abidin (ra) and Jafar as Sadiq (ra) '


This can be found in Abu Zahra's English compilation 'The Four Imams' page 133, published by Darul Taqwa.


these works also mention this...


http://www.scribd.com/Islamformankin...Hanifa-in-Urdu

Those who speak Urdu may find the introduction to this work interesting as it contains some relevant mentions of Imam Abu Hanifa's (ra) studies with Imam Baqir (ra) and Imam Jafar as Sadiq (ra).


The great Muslim historian Shibli Nomani's biography of Imam Abu Hanifa (raa) also describes him as a student of Jafar as Sadiq (ra).

http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/produc...products_id=39


etc etc.

[Abnorttrano]

this that you are saying is not quite accurate brother.

for example

In Sheikh Muhammad Abu Zahra Azhari's biography of Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) it declares...


'it is confirmed that he (Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) studied with Zayd ibn Ali Zayn al Abidin (ra) and Jafar as Sadiq (ra) '


This can be found in Abu Zahra's English compilation 'The Four Imams' page 133, published by Darul Taqwa.


these works also mention this...


http://www.scribd.com/Islamformankin...Hanifa-in-Urdu

Those who speak Urdu may find the introduction to this work interesting as it contains some relevant mentions of Imam Abu Hanifa's (ra) studies with Imam Baqir (ra) and Imam Jafar as Sadiq (ra).


The great Muslim historian Shibli Nomani's biography of Imam Abu Hanifa (raa) also describes him as a student of Jafar as Sadiq (ra).

http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/produc...products_id=39


etc etc.

You are wrong brother what i am saying is accurate that the only way to resolve this is by posting a narrative where Imam Abu Hanifah narrated from Imam Ja'far. al-Hafiz Ibn Hajr al-'Asqalani in his Tahzeeb didn't mention Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq as being Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher (rather he mention Muhammad al-Baqir) as i already posted, Imam al-Dhahabi also didn't mention this also, rather he also mentioned Imam Muhammad al-Baqir as Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher in his Siyar al-A'lam:

أبو حنيفة ( ت ، س )

الإمام ، فقيه الملة ، عالم العراق أبو حنيفة النعمان بن ثابت بن زوطى التيمي ، الكوفي ، مولى بني تيم الله بن ثعلبة يقال : إنه من أبناء الفرس .

[ ص: 391 ] ولد سنة ثمانين في حياة صغار الصحابة ، ورأى أنس بن مالك لما قدم عليهم الكوفة . ولم يثبت له حرف عن أحد منهم ، وروى عن عطاء بن أبي رباح ، وهو أكبر شيخ له وأفضلهم على ما قال . وعن الشعبي ، وعن طاوس ولم يصح ، وعن جبلة بن سحيم ، وعدي بن ثابت ، وعكرمة ، وفي لقيه له نظر ، وعبد الرحمن بن هرمز الأعرج ، وعمرو بن دينار ، وأبي سفيان طلحة بن نافع ، ونافع مولى ابن عمر ، وقتادة ، وقيس بن مسلم ، وعون بن عبد الله بن عتبة ، والقاسم بن عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن مسعود ، ومحارب بن دثار ، وعبد الله بن دينار ، والحكم بن عتيبة ، وعلقمة بن مرثد ، وعلي بن الأقمر ، وعبد العزيز بن رفيع ، وعطية العوفي ، وحماد بن أبي سليمان وبه تفقه ، وزياد [ ص: 392 ] بن علاقة ، وسلمة بن كهيل ، وعاصم بن كليب ، وسماك بن حرب ، وعاصم ابن بهدلة ، وسعيد بن مسروق ، وعبد الملك بن عمير ، وأبي جعفر الباقر ، وابن شهاب الزهري ، ومحمد بن المنكدر ، وأبي إسحاق السبيعي ، ومنصور بن المعتمر ، ومسلم البطين ، ويزيد بن صهيب الفقير ، وأبي الزبير ، وأبي حصين الأسدي ، وعطاء بن السائب ، وناصح المحلمي ، وهشام بن عروة ، وخلق سواهم . حتى إنه روى عن شيبان النحوي وهو أصغر منه ، وعن مالك بن أنس وهو كذلك .

If by exchanging a few Ahadith and 'Ilm means that he was his teacher, then what is stopping us from saying Imam Muhammad Bin al-Hasan al-Shaybani was Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher? because it is known that they (the students of Imam Hanifah) would also bring ahadith and Aqwal of the 'Ulama to their Majalis al-'Ilm

[Eujacwta]

You are wrong brother what i am saying is accurate that the only way to resolve this is by posting a narrative where Imam Abu Hanifah narrated from Imam Ja'far. al-Hafiz Ibn Hajr al-'Asqalani in his Tahzeeb didn't mention Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq as being Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher as i already posted, Imam al-Dhahabi also didn't mention this also, rather he mentioned Imam Muhammad al-Baqi Abu Ja'far as Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher in his siyar al-A'lam:

أبو حنيفة ( ت ، س )

الإمام ، فقيه الملة ، عالم العراق أبو حنيفة النعمان بن ثابت بن زوطى التيمي ، الكوفي ، مولى بني تيم الله بن ثعلبة يقال : إنه من أبناء الفرس .

[ ص: 391 ] ولد سنة ثمانين في حياة صغار الصحابة ، ورأى أنس بن مالك لما قدم عليهم الكوفة . ولم يثبت له حرف عن أحد منهم ، وروى عن عطاء بن أبي رباح ، وهو أكبر شيخ له وأفضلهم على ما قال . وعن الشعبي ، وعن طاوس ولم يصح ، وعن جبلة بن سحيم ، وعدي بن ثابت ، وعكرمة ، وفي لقيه له نظر ، وعبد الرحمن بن هرمز الأعرج ، وعمرو بن دينار ، وأبي سفيان طلحة بن نافع ، ونافع مولى ابن عمر ، وقتادة ، وقيس بن مسلم ، وعون بن عبد الله بن عتبة ، والقاسم بن عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن مسعود ، ومحارب بن دثار ، وعبد الله بن دينار ، والحكم بن عتيبة ، وعلقمة بن مرثد ، وعلي بن الأقمر ، وعبد العزيز بن رفيع ، وعطية العوفي ، وحماد بن أبي سليمان وبه تفقه ، وزياد [ ص: 392 ] بن علاقة ، وسلمة بن كهيل ، وعاصم بن كليب ، وسماك بن حرب ، وعاصم ابن بهدلة ، وسعيد بن مسروق ، وعبد الملك بن عمير ، وأبي جعفر الباقر ، وابن شهاب الزهري ، ومحمد بن المنكدر ، وأبي إسحاق السبيعي ، ومنصور بن المعتمر ، ومسلم البطين ، ويزيد بن صهيب الفقير ، وأبي الزبير ، وأبي حصين الأسدي ، وعطاء بن السائب ، وناصح المحلمي ، وهشام بن عروة ، وخلق سواهم . حتى إنه روى عن شيبان النحوي وهو أصغر منه ، وعن مالك بن أنس وهو كذلك .

I don't have to prove anything to you brother.


When several eminent Muslim historians like Allama Shibli Numani (ra) and Muhammad Abu Zahra Azhari

with access to the full range of Islamic historical documents

are saying that Jafar as Sadiq (raa) was amongst the teachers of Imam Abu Hanifa


and yet you are declaring that he was not.


Then it is you brother who must prove that he was not - not I that must prove that he was.


Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (raa) sought knowledge here there and everywhere -


this is well known about him to the extant that it is said...


Imam Abu Hanifah benefited from nearly 4,000 Sheikhs. http://www.haqislam.org/imam-abu-hanifah/



So the onus is on you brother to prove to us all that Imam Jafar as Sadiq (raa) was not one of these Sheikhs.

[Abnorttrano]

I gave you biographies from CLASSICAL books that doesn't mention Imam Abu Hanifah had taken from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq despite their commentaries being elaborate as to who they taken from and who had taken from them, what have i done other than it? made an opinion from my own pocket? if that's what you think then that is your problem. I don't have to prove anything to you either. I didn't make that claim that he studied under him it was you along with claims of contemporary Scholars.

And please keep the straw man argument to yourself, that they had full islamic historical documents, what did al-Hafiz and al-Dhahabi have? absolute red herring, please keep it to yourself.

Shaykh Taha Karaan answers this well:
It is true that Imam Abu Hanifah does narrate some ahadith from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq. But that was according to the habit of the ‘ulama to narrate from even their contemporaries. So i would say that they were contemporaries nothing else and they benefited from each other, just the way Malik and Abu Hanifah did.

And can you answer my question:

If by exchanging a few Ahadith and 'Ilm means that he was his teacher, then what is stopping us from saying Imam Muhammad Bin al-Hasan al-Shaybani was Imam Abu Hanifah's teacher? because it is known that they (the students of Imam Hanifah) would also bring ahadith and Aqwal of the 'Ulama to their Majalis al-'Ilm

[Eujacwta]

I gave you biographies from CLASSICAL books that doesn't mention Imam Abu Hanifah had taken from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq despite their commentaries being elaborate as to who they taken from and who had taken from them

Does it say anywhere in these CLASSICAL book that Imam Abu Hanifah (raa) had not taken from Imam Ja'far al-Sadir (raa)?

[Abnorttrano]

Does it say anywhere in these CLASSICAL book that Imam Abu Hanifah (raa) had not taken from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (raa)?

Again a straw man argument, does it say anywhere in the CLASSICAL books that Malik didn't study under Abu Hanifah? (even though Abu Hanifah was 13 years his senior), Although there are narratives that they both sat and exchanged knowledge. And this is what Contemporaries did as mentioned by Shaykh Taha Karaan. the fact that these Classical Books didn't mention it proves that they weren't each other's students because the books of the Classical Scholars was elaborate, not only did they mention the Jarh and Ta'deel of narrators they mentioned those who they took from and those who took from them.

The fact that they were equal in age means they were contemporaries (although Abu Hanifah was 3 years senior of Ja'far al-Sadiq), yes they exchanged knowledge but doesn't mean student / teacher in the stricter sense, despite what contemporary Scholars have said the classical Scholars have not said it, and best course and middle path would be they benefited from each other as did Malik and Abu Hanifah.

[Eujacwta]

I think in your long winded way - you are admitting that the answer is apparently no it does not say anywhere in these CLASSICAL book that Imam Abu Hanifah (raa) had not taken from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (raa).

now you go have your argument with....

Allamah Shibli Numani (ra)

the great Muslim historian
an important professor at Aligarh,
the principal of Nadwat tul-‘Ulum,
the founder of the Shibli National College
the founder of the Darul Mussanifin in Azamgarh
the master of several Muslim languages,
the mentor of the great Muslim thinker Syed Sulaiman Nadvi (ra)
the author of the first portion of the great Sirat-un-Nabi.

who had access to every classical source that you do and more,
who had access to the historical works and documents possessed by Aligarh
and several other majot Muslim institutions
before he made this conclusion and refuted the view of Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) on the subject

you can find his grave somewhere in south Asia I believe.

and you can go have your argument with...

Sheikh Muhammad Abu Zahra al Azhari (ra),

the great Muslim historian of Egypt
teacher at al-Azhar's faculty of theology,
a professor of Islamic law at Cairo University
and member of al-Azhar's Academy of Islamic Research.

who refuted Ibn Taymiyyah's view on this,
who had access to every classical source that you do and more,
including having access to the historical works and documents
possessed by Al Azhar University and Cairo University before he too came to the same conclusion.

you can find his grave somewhere in Egypt I believe.

Ma as-salama

[JEWELMARGY]

Assalamu alaykum

those scholars are nowhere near in the league of imam dahabi and ibn hajr asqalani rahimahumullah.

[Berta]

Brother Al-Zayn has got a point here. They must have certainly exchanged ilm, but didn't have a teacher student relationship. Al-Hafiz (ibn Hajar) and Imam Dhahabi were clear in this matter. But khair, we shouldn't be arguing too much about this topic brothers.

[Abnorttrano]

As i said if Shaykh X of recent times said Imam Abu Hanifah was the teacher of Imam Malik, according to your logic absence of categorical negation from the Imams of Rijal may mean there is still a possibility of it being true (that Imam Abu Hanifah was the teacher of Imam Malik) hence they (the Imams of Rijal) didn't categorically negate it. Wow.

And this Shaykh X is professor this, professor that, Imam of this, has this many books, Director of this, Chiarman of that, etc etc.

Still in my eyes this Shaykh X is nothing compared to the Imams of Hadith and Rijal.

[BuyCheapest]

Read mufti Ghulam Rasool's books on Imam Jafar Saadiq (R) he has proven that they had student teacher relation , and also Imam Abu Hanifa (Rh) studied from Imam Muhammad Baaqir (R) also -- also read Tahir Qadri;s Book on Imam e Azam (Rh) he has proven the same thing also -- what i cant understand is why are not agreeing on student teacher realtion ? Imam Muhammad Baaqir and Jafar Saadiq (R) were the best Ulemas of their time and they were also blessed Ahle Bait . @Al-Zayn and amr123 are you not Hanafi ? coz me following Imam Abu Hanifa (Rh) feel proud that my Imam Got Ilm, from the Ahle Bait , that something to be proud of why not accept it ?

[wJswn5l3]

You are an extremist Shia with corrupt beliefs, your opinions are not taken into consideration.

Stop being a imbecile, and see if you can find any narration that Imam Jaffer (as) had said that he gained any sort of knowledge from Imam Abu Hanifa.

[Eromaveabeara]

Stop being a imbecile, and see if you can find any narration that Imam Jaffer (as) had said that he gained any sort of knowledge from Imam Abu Hanifa.

[Leave Shiism for it is extreme deviance, review your faith for it is corrupt.]

Now to answer your question, it is not strange or uncommon for two big scholars who lived in the same era to benefit from each-other's knowledge, we don't need to go out of our way to try and dig up proofs, but your point is that it is "impossible" for Ja'far bin Muhammad to have benefited from abu Hanifa al-Nu'man? why not? was he not a big scholar who had knowledge? why is it "greatly exaggerated"? The theory in your religion is that Ahlul-Bayt knew everything, they inherited knowledge from each-other and did not need anybody else's knowledge, I will answer you by providing some random and quick examples where Ja'far bin Muhammad benefited from the knowledge of men who are not from Ahlul-Bayt.

Sahih Muslim vol.2 pg.49, we read this Sanad:

حَدَّثَنَاه قُتَيْبَةُ، عن حَاتِمِ بن إِسْمَاعِيل، عن جَعْفَر بن مُحَمَّد ، عن مُحَمَّد بن الْمُنْكَدِرِ، عن عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بن حُنَيْنٍ، عن عَلِيّ Quaybah told us, from Hatim bin Isma'eel, from Ja'far bin Muhammad (al-Sadiq), from Muhammad bin al-Munkadiri, from 'Abdullah bin Hunein, from 'Ali bin abi Talib (ra): and he mentions the Hadith where it is forbidden to recite while in Ruku'u.

Comment: al-Sadiq took from the knowledge of two men here, both are not from Ahlul-Bayt and both are famous Imams of Ahlul-Sunnah.

And he had other Shuyoukh such as in this Hadith of Sahih Muslim vol.3 pg.26:

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بن مَسَلَمَة بن قَعْنَب، حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَان، يَعْنِي ابن بِلَال ، عن جَعْفَر، وهُوَ بن مُحَمَّد ، عن عَطَاءِ بن أَبِي رَبَاحٍ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ عَائِشَةَ، زَوْجَ النَّبِيّ- صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم - تَقُولُ 'Abdullah bin Maslamah bin Qa'nab told us, Suleiman meaning ibn Bilal told us, from Ja'far (al-Sadiq) and he is the son of Muhammad, from 'Ataa bin abi Rabah, that he heard 'Aisha (ra) the wife of Rassul-Allah (SAWS) say: and she mentions the Hadith about rain being a mercy.

Or in Musnad Ahmad vol.4 pg.332:

حَدَّثَنَا عبد الله حَدَّثَنِي أبي، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّد بن عَبَّادٍ الْمَكِّيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا أبو سَعِيدٍ مَوْلَى بني هَاشِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بن جَعْفَر، عن أُمِّ بَكْرٍ، وجَعْفَر، عن عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بن أَبِي رَافِع، عن الْمِسْوَر قَالَ 'Abdullah told us, my father told me, Muhammad bin 'Abad al-Makki told us, abu Sa'eed the Mawla of bani Hashim told us, 'Abdullah bin Ja'far told us, from Umm Bakr and Ja'far (al-Sadiq), from 'Ubeidullah bin abi Rafi', from al-Miswar that he said: and he mentions a Hadith about Fatima (ra), what makes her happy makes the Prophet (SAWS) happy and what saddens her makes the Prophet (SAWS) sad...

In fact even when Ja'far narrates from his father Muhammad, who was a known scholar of Madinah, (He narrated from his father A LOT) as we know al-Baqir did not meet the Prophet (SAWS) so he would narrate from Jabir bin 'Abdullah (ra), such as in Sahih Muslim vol.3 pg.11:

حَدَّثَنَا أبو بَكْرِ بن أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا ، وكِيعٌ، عن سُفْيَانَ، عن جَعْفَر، عن أَبِيهِ، عن جَابِر قَالَ Abu Bakr bin abi Shaybah told us, Wakee' told us, from Suffian, from Ja'far (al-Sadiq), from his father (al-Baqir), from Jabir (ra) that he said: and he mentions the Hadith of what the Prophet (SAWS) used to say at the beginning of his Sermons.

Muhammad bin 'Ali Zain al-'Abideen would also narrate from others such as Yazid bin Hurmouz and 'Ubeidullah bin abi Rafi' and abu Sa'eed al-Khudari ect... but this is not our topic.

And if you want some of those "golden chains" that you people keep talking about, where Ahlul-Bayt narrate from each-other until they reach the Prophet (SAWS), then rest assured we have the proper ones and not the fabricated ones such as in the books of the Rafidhah, an example from Sunan al-Nasai vol.4 pg.47:

أَخْبَرَنَا إِبْرَاهِيم بن هَارُون الْبَلْخِيُّ قَالَ، حَدَّثَنَا حَاتِمٌ، عن جَعْفَر بن مُحَمَّد ، عن أَبِيهِ: أن الْحَسَنَ بن عَلِيّ كَانَ جَالِسًا فَمُرَّ عَلَيْهِ بِجَنَازَةٍ فَقَامَ النَّاسُ، حَتَّى جَاوَزَتِ الْجَنَازَةُ فَقَالَ الْحَسَنُ Ibahim bin Haroon al-Balkhi told us, he said: Hatim told us, from Ja'far bin Muhammad (al-Sadiq), from his father (al-Baqir): that al-Hassan bin 'Ali (ra) was sitting when...

I hope you have an idea now, this is why it is in no way "greatly exaggerated" if we say that both benefited from each-other...

Salam 'Aleykum,