[ReginaPerss]

Why don't you believe that Muhammad is the last prophet?
And if you don't think he was the last prophet then who is?

She just told you who, and explained why....

[smazibummigue]

Okay, are there any hadith or verses which prove that?

Check out this hadith:

‘Isa (as), son of Maryam (as), will descend, rule for 40 years with the book of Allah and my sunnah, and die.
(Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan
fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)


Isa(as) will rule by the Prophets (SAW) sunnah, thereby making him an ummati if the Prophet (SAW)

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So you are going to tell me that Ahmadis can live in peace in Pak, it's this holding them outside which led to this killing..which is ridiculous actually.... but I don't want to discuss this here..it's more what to believe and to follow...

Muslims can't go and kill other people just because we disagree with them. Only khilafiat/government institution can carry mandatory sentences (after a public trial) and vigilanteism is never allowed. We can only use violence to defend ourselves should we are attacked violently. If you talk about splinter groups, splinter groups' actions do not represent the true Islamic teachings, so discussing about them would be pointless as that's not the practice of the majority sunni Muslims neither represent the beliefs of the Muslims.

Allah Knows Best.

[ReginaPerss]

I do.

I don't think he was the last prophet.
But this question led me to nowhere. I've tried to understand how Sunnis think, but it made no sense to me. If I would believe that Hazrat Isa as will come back one day and be a prophet just because he was a prophet before the Holy Prophet pbuh, it would still stay in contradicition to the Hadith, which you are going to mention maybe now...

Sunni believes that Isa (alayhi salam) is a Prophet and Messenger, and he will come after the Prophet Muhammad (Sallahu alayhi wa salam).
But we refer to Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alayhi wa salam) as the Last Prophet because Isa (AS) was a prophet before Prophet Muhammad (SAW)...
So when Isa comes back, he won't be a new prophet after Muhammad (SAW) because he already was a prophet (SAW)...

Another thing is that we don't believe Al Mahdi and Isa is the same person.... We Sunni believe Al Mahdi will come back before Isa and prepare for Isa's arrival.... So this is why we reject the beliefs of the Ahmadiyya, because hadith indicate the Al Mahdi will come back before Isa....

I hope that makes sense.

[ReginaPerss]

Check out this hadith:

‘Isa (as), son of Maryam (as), will descend, rule for 40 years with the book of Allah and my sunnah, and die.
(Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan
fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)



Isa(as) will rule by the Prophets (SAW) sunnah, thereby making him an ummati if the Prophet (SAW)

Where is this hadith located and what is the strength of this hadith???? Curious because I never seen nor heard of this hadith.....

[rxnixoncom]

On one side you have a kafir who dibelieves, then worse than that you have a hypocrite who applies hypocrisy to the kalima then further worse than that you have someone who apply kufr to the kalima. The Qadiyyanis have applied kufr to the kalima.

If you are sincere listen to the Qur'an and make an effort to understand the Qur'an, the matter of false prophets is clear.

Reach out to the Qur'an and the Qur'an will reach out to you.



''Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.'' 33:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2qpnWDWrsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dvp7xQib-4

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Here's a beautiful quotation from the wiki on khatamul nabiyyin;

"Fakhr al-Din al-Razi also known as Fakhruddin Razi or Imam Razi, was a Persian polymath: a Sunni Islamic theologian of the Ash'ari school, Islamic legal scholar of the Shafi`i school, Madrasah professor, and expert in a wide variety of disciplines, including the traditional Islamic fields of Sharia law, Fiqh jurisprudence, Islamic literature, Tafsir exegesis, Kalam theology, Arabic grammar and Muslim history; the Islamic philosophies of ethics and metaphysics; the formal sciences of logic and mathematics says in his Tafsir:

"He (Muhamad ) is the last Prophet, if another Prophet has to come after the previous one, than an incomplete mission of Laws and teachings is left by the previous one, which is to be completed by the next one. But if no messenger has to come after the previous than he is very generous towards his people and he gives them a complete set of directions and rules(till the end of times), it is just like that father who knows that after him there is no one to take care of his child.""

Baira, it's a contradiction to say that you belief in the Quran which states explicitly about Prophet Muhamad as khatamul nabiyyin, yet to accept another "nabi" after him.

[evennyNiz]

My sunni brothers and sisters are quite mean.. you will never get a warm welcome from most of them...

While I am sunni... I do consider you a muslim but I reject the claim that Ahmad was the Christ and Al Mahdi... But I do have a question... Do the Ahmadiyya have a spiritual path, like Sufism???

To recognize Qadiyanis as Muslims is kufr.

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My sunni brothers and sisters are quite mean.. you will never get a warm welcome from most of them...

While I am sunni... I do consider you a muslim but I reject the claim that Ahmad was the Christ and Al Mahdi... But I do have a question... Do the Ahmadiyya have a spiritual path, like Sufism???

brother,

Just like how we have a good Christian friend, but differ greatly on a matter of aqeedah and identity, the same applies to any qadiani follower.

Allah knows Best.

[Qesomud]

Salam

there are cases of early Qadianies being killed by muslims for their beliefs. the reason being that those individuals used to be muslim were attracted to mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani (he had many qualities that may have seemed positive at the time) and then when he started making his outlandish kufr claims these people stayed with him, and beleived them, thus leaving the fold of islam.

the status of a murtad before the shariah is well known, and how hanafi dealt with murtads is no new thing. the same thing happened with early sikhs who were "ex-muslims", albeit nominal muslims.

dealing with those who were born into this kufr is a different issues obviously, as they are not murtad.

[Qesomud]

She just told you who, and explained why....

anyone who doubts the finality of the prophethood resting with Rasulullah (saws) is not a muslim. it is very surprising that you are so accepting of a qadiani as being a muslim.

i can only conclude that being a maliki you are an african, and have had the good fortune of not being exposed to qadianism, otherwise if you were indian and thus exposed to them you would not have that particular stance.

brelwis and deobandies have all issued fatwas many decades ago (century) declaring them all to be kafir.

[interbaoui]

To recognize Qadiyanis as Muslims is kufr.

I would also like to echo this important point. It is by universal consensus amongst all scholars (Barelvi, Deobandi, Wahhabi, even Shi'a) that the Qadianis are kaafir. To doubt the kufr of the Qadianis is kufr itself.

[lYVgWWcP]

Why don't you believe that Muhammad is the last prophet?
And if you don't think he was the last prophet then who is?

It's the way Sunnis interpret 'Khatam-un Nabiyyin' and the way Ahmadis do. Sunnis say it means 'The last prophet' while Ahmadis say it means 'The best/greatest prophet'

[smazibummigue]

Where is this hadith located and what is the strength of this hadith???? Curious because I never seen nor heard of this hadith.....

I gave you the source.
A book by the name of Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman by author al-Muttaqi al-Hindi.
Don't have the book with me, found it online. It seems to be a sound hadith, not sure though.

[interbaoui]

It's the way Sunnis interpret 'Khatam-un Nabiyyin' and the way Ahmadis do. Sunnis say it means 'The last prophet' while Ahmadis say it means 'The best/greatest prophet'

It doesn't work that way. "Khatam-un-Nabiyyin" means seal of the prophets. How does "seal" imply "best/greatest"? Muslims believe that Rasoolullah is the best of all prophets, best of all humans, best of all creations, but that ayah is not what is used as evidence for this.

And since we're talking about this ayah, we know that the Qur'an was revealed in 7 ahruf. Here's the phrase in the Qaloon harf:



Over here, it is khaatim-an-nabiyyin, so even the Qadiani claim that the verse refers to "seal" and not "last" is invalid because Muslims believe the Qur'an to have been revealed in 7 ahruf and all the ahruf are 100% correct and none of the qira'at contradict each other but only add and elaborate.

[ReginaPerss]

To recognize Qadiyanis as Muslims is kufr.

I don't really care what people think of me... Because I won't be judged by any of you... I will be judged by Allah... He suffices as a judge...

To most of you people everything is kufr, everything is haram, eveything is bidah, you can't do anything right in front most muslims...

[ReginaPerss]

anyone who doubts the finality of the prophethood resting with Rasulullah (saws) is not a muslim. it is very surprising that you are so accepting of a qadiani as being a muslim.

i can only conclude that being a maliki you are an african, and have had the good fortune of not being exposed to qadianism, otherwise if you were indian and thus exposed to them you would not have that particular stance.

brelwis and deobandies have all issued fatwas many decades ago (century) declaring them all to be kafir.

I don't make takfir on anyone.... It is not obligatory for a muslim to make takfir... From the hadiths that I read concerning this topic... making takfir is actually discouraged.... Because the Prophet (saw) discouraged making takfir, I don't make it.... So who am I going to follow... The Prophet (saw) or these people telling me to make takfir.... If you call someone a kafir and they are not, than you are... That's enough to discourage me from making takfir....

[KhJOHbTM]

Okay, are there any hadith or verses which prove that?

Here you will find plenty"
http://harunyahya.com/en/Ahir_Zamana...er_%28salat%29

Where its stated that, Esa(as) will call Imam Mahdi as the Imam of the community. And he will offer prayer behind him. Had he been a Prophet, then he would have been considered as the Imam of the people and he would have offered the prayer.

And the hadeeth of sahi muslim, which says that after Prophet Muhammad(Saw) there will be Khalifas is sufficient. It doesn't say that there could be one Prophet.

[excholza]

Allahumma aslih ummata Muhammadin.

[apodildNoli]

I don't make takfir on anyone.... It is not obligatory for a muslim to make takfir... From the hadiths that I read concerning this topic... making takfir is actually discouraged.... Because the Prophet (saw) discouraged making takfir, I don't make it.... So who am I going to follow... The Prophet (saw) or these people telling me to make takfir.... If you call someone a kafir and they are not, than you are... That's enough to discourage me from making takfir....

The muslim world league in Makkah (which include all different ulama over the world) have done takfir of qadiyanis in 1974.
The reason is simple because they claim that there is a prophet after Muhammad (). They claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani is a prophet.
Aside from that you will soon learn what else he claimed. I'll give you one spoiler- he claimed that he was Maryam then he claimed that he became pregnant and then became Isa.!!!


P.s: Doing takfir for no reason is wrong but it is haram not to do takfir where it is due