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Old 04-09-2012, 08:53 AM   #1
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Default What I'd Change about My Country: Saudi Princess


Secularists will always try to "reform" Islamic rules. But this becomes a heart breaking matter when a countryman of Rasulullaah speaks in this way:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17446831
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:45 AM   #2
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What's next? Asking for rights for women to lead the prayer and call the Azan? (it's already happened in Canada) What a disgrace.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #3
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This is what happens when those who know little about the deen start saying that this or that isn't or is part of Islam.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:40 PM   #4
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classic brainwashing...notice how she feels she is superior in knowledge to the scholars because she is educated in britain and switzerland yet does not seem to have a professional degree in Islamic studies.
why dont me and the engineer boys go to a surgeon tomorrow and ask if we can operate on a patient? we are afterall, 'educated'.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:41 PM   #5
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wa rahmatullah,

I've just read it...it's funny how it's always the same method that is applied by these reformers/intellectuals/murtads/fassiqs :
first and foremost they'll state "we must of course obey quran and sunnah" then they say that such and such thing is "a wrong interpretation" that nobody in 14+ centuries thought except them; and they innerly perfectly know it's from deen. They want to let us know "other interpretations" are infinitely possible and that we should listen to them if we are to succeed etc., all of that according to their shaytani nafs.

By the way try to use the mobile version of such news website, it's way much lighter in loading, there's less ads and you can block images easily.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:02 AM   #6
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the article needs a sold rebuttal. i invite brothers such as sir maripat, umar_italy and at-tayyib to make an effort and publish it. ofcourse anyone else whose works i am not familiar with is also most welcome.
dont let it go unnoticed.speak out
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:09 AM   #7
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Saudia is the next target. There is no new point in this agenda - only a new instrument. No new rebuttal really required. But if some one wants to have a go it will, IA, fetch reward.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:13 AM   #8
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If she is talking about woman's rights, subjugation and oppression, its because we [the men] have failed her.
I feel pity for her and anger for her [late] father King Saud.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:23 AM   #9
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Saudia is the next target. There is no new point in this agenda - only a new instrument. No new rebuttal really required. But if some one wants to have a go it will, IA, fetch reward.
trust me a rebuttal is required. this article is very very damaging.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:28 AM   #10
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brother nobody is pointing fingers at 'women'. we are basically stating it is inappropriate for a 'person' who is uneducated in Islam to place their opinion above scholars of Islam.. had it been a man the reaction would have been the same.

our scholars have criticized the saudi scholars over their rulings and that should be enough. if we encourage saudi laymen to take up arms against the saudi ulema then who is to say our own laymen will not do the same against our ulema?it is happening the world over.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:38 AM   #11
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brother nobody is pointing fingers at 'women'. we are basically stating it is inappropriate for a 'person' who is uneducated in Islam to place their opinion above scholars of Islam.. had it been a man the reaction would have been the same.

our scholars have criticized the saudi scholars over their rulings and that should be enough. if we encourage saudi laymen to take up arms against the saudi ulema then who is to say our own laymen will not do the same against our ulema?it is happening the world over.
I partly agree with you, so I'll leave it for now.

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Old 04-10-2012, 01:56 AM   #12
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I partly agree with you, so I'll leave it for now.

[I have deleted my previous post]
what do you not agree with?
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:04 AM   #13
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Is English law related to Muslim law?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7631388.stm

Maybe she should read this?

Constitutions are secular revelations designed to keep religious (God Revealed) laws out of the business of human life, Riba (usury and money lending) is allowed by all constitutions...Secular leaders ignore constitutions whenever they feel like it....because all constitutions have no Authority as George W Bush said about the US constitution when he went against it its just a old bit of paper. Constitutions allowed the State to force individuals to join their armed forces and to go to war (be killed or kill ...murder others), they allowed the State to tax income, wealth, sales, death duties etc. and to pay it as interest to rich people who loaned the government money. It is slavery to the State, recognized by all free thinking westerners, it is a shame that Muslims are still coming out with this nonsense in the face of such obvious problems with the secular state.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:21 PM   #14
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THE BEST LAW IS ISLAMIC LAW....... If saudi goverment concern 100% islamic law then nothing need to be change.... May allah guid all people Ameen.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:46 PM   #15
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She is the product of the western education system.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:06 PM   #16
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I would like to see religious teaching limited to the Koran and the Sunna (the way the prophet lived), where the true ethics of Islam lie. The rest is blind rote learning of the most dangerous kind. It has left our youth vulnerable to fundamentalist ideologies that have led to terrorism and abuse of the true meaning of the Koran.

Instead of wasting our youths' intellect on memorising quotations whose origins is uncertain (such as those found in hadith, Fiqh and tafssir) we need to encourage them to think freely, innovate and use their initiative for the betterment of our society



This harmful woman is clearly denying the validity of fiqh, hadeeth and the established understandings of the Holy Qur'an.

She is obviously a westernizer and a modernist, who is using her position to promote her views.

It seems likely that she has circle of deviant friends amongst whom she says far worse things than she does in the interview.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:11 PM   #17
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In the Ottoman Caliphate Vizier Mustapha Pasha used to say similar things to her and promote them to the weak minded Caliphs.

What the Ottomans did not know at the time was that Mustapha Pasha was secretly plotting to destroy Islam in the Ottoman

Caliphate under the guidance of his intellectual mentor - the French Freemason and Positivist Philosopher Auguste Comte.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:55 PM   #18
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May be we should ask our enthusiastic Salafi brothers to do the job - they seem to know so much about Islam and the world. They are naturally positioned to tackle this loud mouth stooge.
Constitutions are secular revelations designed to keep religious (God Revealed) laws out of the business of human life, Riba (usury and money lending) is allowed by all constitutions...Secular leaders ignore constitutions whenever they feel like it....because all constitutions have no Authority as George W Bush said about the US constitution when he went against it its just a old bit of paper. Constitutions allowed the State to force individuals to join their armed forces and to go to war (be killed or kill ...murder others), they allowed the State to tax income, wealth, sales, death duties etc. and to pay it as interest to rich people who loaned the government money. It is slavery to the State, recognized by all free thinking westerners, it is a shame that Muslims are still coming out with this nonsense in the face of such obvious problems with the secular state.
Akhi each one of these points is so pertinent and so significant that it will not be a bad idea to write a book on them. I'll urge you to think seriously about it. If we do not worry about ourselves, about our deen, about our Ummah then who else will? We sort of dream that some one some where will do this. This is a chimera. Let us do our job ourselves.

In the Ottoman Caliphate Vizier Mustapha Pasha used to say similar things to her and promote them to the weak minded Caliphs.

What the Ottomans did not know at the time was that Mustapha Pasha was secretly plotting to destroy Islam in the Ottoman

Caliphate under the guidance of his intellectual mentor - the French Freemason and Positivist Philosopher Auguste Comte.
I suppose (the army of )those cousins of hers should be getting their neurons in the alert position.
Wassalam
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:07 PM   #19
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The way she is speaking suggests she has some bitterness inside her. She is divorced, perhaps this the cause of her severe mental lapse. Reformists need reform themselves, they are sooooooooooooo yesterday.
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:25 PM   #20
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Giving a woman more rights always leads to social chaos. Look at the west, as soon as the women started working and had independence, everything fell apart.
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