[Innoloinarp]

i want to maybe study civil engineering at after graduating high school , but i am MUCH more interested in studying deen at an islamic university first. Studying Islam will open up my mind to learn more as well and it is best for my akhira. I live in Canada so i'd have to go abroad though. What are your thoughts/advice?

[DebtDetox]

I don't know I am in a pretty bad situation my self. I would definately advicing going to study if your able to. My problem is that I really want to study abraod intesively for about ten years, but I don't think my dad would ever consent to it I do not what to do. Because one thing you have to remember "every soul is will taste death" (Quran) and if we waste our time in university for five years what if it turns out that our death was decreed straight after we have our degree, then our degree would be pointless and we should learnt our deen so we would be ready for death. What do you think I should do in my situation? Inshallah I will post a thread about the full details of my situation.

[markoiutrfffdsa]

Studying duniya can also be part of your deen; just like earning halal income can be part of your deen.

[pissmanvd]

Salaam. i dont want to sound rude and ignorant but education is deeni education. However this dosent mean you cant pursue a career in your specific field. How about doing both of them ? Why not study engineering or whatever discipline and study islamic sciences with the scholars within the current country you reside in. Far to often people drop everything and wish to study at an Islamic University. They seem to ignore the people who have successfully achieved success by studying both deen and also pursing a career in the Dunya. My advice to you is not to take the apaprent eas way out, but rather do both your desired degree and study at the feet of the scholars. you may think this is hard but isnt work hard anyway?

[Teprophopay]

Salaam. i dont want to sound rude and ignorant but education is deeni education. However this dosent mean you cant pursue a career in your specific field. How about doing both of them ? Why not study engineering or whatever discipline and study islamic sciences with the scholars within the current country you reside in. Far to often people drop everything and wish to study at an Islamic University. They seem to ignore the people who have successfully achieved success by studying both deen and also pursing a career in the Dunya. My advice to you is not to take the apaprent eas way out, but rather do both your desired degree and study at the feet of the scholars. you may think this is hard but isnt work hard anyway?

Yes I agree with brother Hugga.
Why not have the best of both worlds?

[pissmanvd]

Yes I agree with brother Hugga.
Why not have the best of both worlds?

Absolutely brother.

[Yarmark]

Where are you in Canada?

[Teprophopay]

I live in Canada

Where are you in Canada?

Thats what he said in his post.

[Innoloinarp]

Salaam. i dont want to sound rude and ignorant but education is deeni education. However this dosent mean you cant pursue a career in your specific field. How about doing both of them ? Why not study engineering or whatever discipline and study islamic sciences with the scholars within the current country you reside in. Far to often people drop everything and wish to study at an Islamic University. They seem to ignore the people who have successfully achieved success by studying both deen and also pursing a career in the Dunya. My advice to you is not to take the apaprent eas way out, but rather do both your desired degree and study at the feet of the scholars. you may think this is hard but isnt work hard anyway?

that is what i meant brother, but my question is which one to study first. i was thinking islamic first, more important and will open up my mind , and then dunya. I'm wondering whether my plan is good because i dont know how ill cope away from my family at 18/19 years old, though my heart wants and would love to learn deen first.

[Innoloinarp]

Where are you in Canada?

yes, toronto.

[Innoloinarp]

I don't know I am in a pretty bad situation my self. I would definately advicing going to study if your able to. My problem is that I really want to study abraod intesively for about ten years, but I don't think my dad would ever consent to it I do not what to do. Because one thing you have to remember "every soul is will taste death" (Quran) and if we waste our time in university for five years what if it turns out that our death was decreed straight after we have our degree, then our degree would be pointless and we should learnt our deen so we would be ready for death. What do you think I should do in my situation? Inshallah I will post a thread about the full details of my situation.

The degree wont be pointless because you will improve yourself when studying , 10 years does seem like a very long time, are you able to consider marrying late or having your wife study with you due to length of time abroad?

[Yarmark]

yes, toronto.

You can take part time courses from:

http://www.mathabah.org/

Keep yourself in the company of Shaykh Yusuf Badat and Shaykh 'Omar Subedar [and you can ask them for any other scholars if you wish].

I forgot what Masjid they are Imams at, but it might be something like IFT - Islamic Foundation of Toronto.

Wallahu a'lam.

[Innoloinarp]

You can take part time courses from:

http://www.mathabah.org/

Keep yourself in the company of Shaykh Yusuf Badat and Shaykh 'Omar Subedar [and you can ask them for any other scholars if you wish].


I forgot what Masjid they are Imams at, but it might be something like IFT - Islamic Foundation of Toronto.

Wallahu a'lam.

brother, i already have great ahlesunnah teachers but unfortunately can learn only once a week because we rent 2 classrooms at a highschool and will get sunday in addition to saturday as well. What i meant was to go deep and become a scholar myself

[Yarmark]

brother, i already have great ahlesunnah teachers but unfortunately can learn only once a week because we rent 2 classrooms at a highschool and will get sunday in addition to saturday as well. What i meant was to go deep and become a scholar myself

Can you learn more than once a week [try doing it in the Masjid with the teacher or at your house or his etc,.]

If you can do the dunya studies, then part time deen studies are good too. And when you finish your degree you can do the alim course.

[DebtDetox]

Salaam. i dont want to sound rude and ignorant but education is deeni education. However this dosent mean you cant pursue a career in your specific field. How about doing both of them ? Why not study engineering or whatever discipline and study islamic sciences with the scholars within the current country you reside in. Far to often people drop everything and wish to study at an Islamic University. They seem to ignore the people who have successfully achieved success by studying both deen and also pursing a career in the Dunya. My advice to you is not to take the apaprent eas way out, but rather do both your desired degree and study at the feet of the scholars. you may think this is hard but isnt work hard anyway?

But the thing is death is still a reality, after all what if you spend 4 years studying accountacy only to find that Allah had decreed that you do die a year after, then your dunya degree would be an absolute waste of time. Inshallah I will do a thread with more information about my current situation so I can get advice because with all respects to what you said I am sort of considering doing the degree and studying islam at the same time. Becuase I sort of agree with you it is a big move to go to a different contry and study islam and it is not necessarly good idea if you've got parents at home who may need you. So in a way I agree with you and Abdullah but still in my heart I have huge zeal and desire to study islam fully and intensively.

[DebtDetox]

I like that idea a lot because my Hifz teacher told me that you could do a part time alim course and then do the last few years in a well know Madrasah such as Drewsbrey. But the problem with that is the Alim course is about 6-7 years and if I was to do it part time whilst doing my 4 year accounting degree I would probably only be able to complete 2 years of the actual full time course, which means I will have to try and complete the last 3-4 years part time whilst being married as I intend to get married after university. Also practical speaking I may not every get the opportuniy to complete the last years in well known madrasah or finish it abroad full time for about 2 years, because I will have to take to years of work. And if you got student loan and family it could be hard to finance it, also when you come back you might not have lost your job because you have not worked for a long time and lost your skills.

[chuecaloversvv]

I suggest you exhaust the possibilities in your own area first. Most people can learn tajweed, arabic reading, maybe grammar and some fiqh in their own area. There's no point going to pakistani or egypt just to learn 'alif ba ta'.

[Kamepherype]

we have to study Deen first and basically what we have to do is first we become expert in Deen matters - understand Quran with tafseer - learn basics of Haram and Halal and afterward live our life in accordance with Deen

but we have to go along with Dunya as well - this doesnt mean we get addicted to worldly pleasures , no , all our life , in each and every second we have to thank and worship ALLAH , but going along with Dunya is very Important also - we Muslims would have been the most successful and advanced people by now if we would have lived our life in accordance with Quran unfortunately we were divided , and that divide and rule policy was introduced by enemies of Islam - so today you will see muslims fight amongst each other by such small issues like , Mawlid is permissible or not , Allah is on sky only or he is everywhere ? ( Salafi - Sunni ) , etc etc - and the most worst of all is that we are taking being divided as normally each group claiming only they are going to Paradise others are deviants , - differences among us are not even big they are small , but still we like ourselves to be divided , thats why we are a little bit backwords in recent times ,

[DebtDetox]

that is what i meant brother, but my question is which one to study first. i was thinking islamic first, more important and will open up my mind , and then dunya. I'm wondering whether my plan is good because i dont know how ill cope away from my family at 18/19 years old, though my heart wants and would love to learn deen first.

im in a similar situation, am only 18

[DebtDetox]

I am currently revising my hifz as I have just recently finished, alhamdulilah and if I don't decide to go abroad then inshallah next year I will definately by enrolling for the september arabic course at the abrahmic foundation because its quite near to where i live http://www.abrahamicfoundation.org.uk/