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Are these two salahs one and the same or are they different?

Some say that Ishraaq and Duha are the same salah and are performed after sunrise and before Dhur. Other say that the two are different, and Ishraaq is performed 15-20 minutes after sunrise while salah ad-Duha is performed 15-20 before zawal (midday). Can anyone put some light into this issue?

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Are these two salahs one and the same or are they different?

Some say that Ishraaq and Duha are the same salah and are performed after sunrise and before Dhur. Other say that the two are different, and Ishraaq is performed 15-20 minutes after sunrise while salah ad-Duha is performed 15-20 before zawal (midday). Can anyone put some light into this issue?

It is called Salat al-Ishraq if you pray it once the sun has risen, and if you delay it until later, it is called Salat al-Duha.


Wa Allahu a´lam.

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It is called Salat al-Ishraq if you pray it once the sun has risen, and if you delay it until later, it is called Salat al-Duha.


Wa Allahu a´lam.

So the are the same! I've been thinking that they are different, and have prayed both sometimes. Is this wrong?

Thank you for answering brother.

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It is called Salat al-Ishraq if you pray it once the sun has risen, and if you delay it until later, it is called Salat al-Duha.


Wa Allahu a´lam.

What is the correct timing of Ishraq Salah according to Shafi'i Madhab?

Edit: Also till what time is it forbidden to pray after Fajr?

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What is the correct timing of Ishraq Salah according to Shafi'i Madhab?

Edit: Also till what time is it forbidden to pray after Fajr?

The time it becomes permissible to pray after Fajr is from where salat al-Ishraq can be prayed, and it begins when the sun has risen a spear-length over the horizon and it can be prayed all the way until zenith (zawal).

Wa Allahu a´lam.
wassalam

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The time it becomes permissible to pray after Fajr is from where salat al-Ishraq can be prayed, and it begins when the sun has risen a spear-length over the horizon and it can be prayed all the way until zenith (zawal).

Wa Allahu a´lam.
wassalam

Here we cannot see the horizon due to the buildings. But there time of the 'sunrise' is available with the salah timings. Akhi, any idea how many minutes 'after sunrise' will be when sun is spear-length over the horizion? 20 mins ? 45mins?

Edit: I m asking specifically due to the following hadith:

After completing Fajr salat, one does not move from one’s place and remains there reciting dhikr, tasbih, Qur’an, etc., avoiding participation in worldly affairs until the sun has fully risen (about minutes after sunrise). Then, one stands and offers two or four rakat of nafl. Hadiths are replete with the high merits of this prayer.

Abu Hurairah (radiAllahu anhu) relates that the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) has said that "He who says Ishraq prayers without fail shall have his lesser sins forgiven even though they may be as numerous as foam specks on the surface of the sea."
[at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]

RasulAllah (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) is reported to have said that Allah Ta'ala says, 'O son of Adam, perform 4 Rakats of Salat (Ishraq) in the early part of the day. I shall help you in accomplishing all your responsibilities during the rest of the day.'
[Mishkaat pg.116]

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It is hard to say as it may differ from place to place. It may take approximately 20 minutes or so.
Wa Allahu a´lam.

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It is hard to say as it may differ from place to place. It may take approximately 20 minutes or so.
Wa Allahu a´lam.

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Although, may I add, in the Rawda Imam al-Nawawi narrates from the companions of Imam al-Shafi´i that delaying it until it has risen beyond a spear-length is merely recommended. So there is some leniency allowing it to be performed from sunrise (shuruq) onwards.

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Although, may I add, in the Rawda Imam al-Nawawi narrates from the companions of Imam al-Shafi´i that delaying it until it has risen beyond a spear-length is merely recommended. So there is some leniency allowing it to be performed from sunrise (shuruq) onwards.

And the forbidden time for nawafil prayer is from Fajr salah till sunrise?

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And the forbidden time for nawafil prayer is from Fajr salah till sunrise?

Correct.

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Correct.

I just asked because I think I have seen in 'reliance of traveller' that its forbidden to pray nawafil from sunrise till the sun rises till the spear-head. Is there a difference in opinion in this?

Edit: I just re-read your post. So Imam Nawawi narrates that , there is leniency in this matter .

in the Rawda Imam al-Nawawi narrates from the companions of Imam al-Shafi´i that delaying it until it has risen beyond a spear-length is merely recommended. So there is some leniency allowing it to be performed from sunrise (shuruq) onwards.

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It is called Salat al-Ishraq if you pray it once the sun has risen, and if you delay it until later, it is called Salat al-Duha.


Wa Allahu a´lam.

What about salat ul Awwabin ? some say they are the same as ishraq and duha as well , just in different times of the day .

I am confused here . Something tells me its not the same . Why would the prophet do different salahs in different times if they were the same ?
Every Salah be it fard or sunnah or nafl has its origin ...
These are prayers of Ambiya after significant events as far as I know that Allah wanted the Prophet (saw) and his Ummah to follow.

I do not know the proper reference points ( ilm )to make a judgment . Could some one help ?

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What about salat ul Awwabin ? some say they are the same as ishraq and duha as well , just in different times of the day .

I am confused here . Something tells me its not the same . Why would the prophet do different salahs in different times if they were the same ?
Every Salah be it fard or sunnah or nafl has its origin ...
These are prayers of Ambiya after significant events as far as I know that Allah wanted the Prophet (saw) and his Ummah to follow.

I do not know the proper reference points ( ilm )to make a judgment . Could some one help ?

There are numerous narrations where Sahaba equated Ishraq with Duha, and Duha with Awwabin. In one narration Sayyidina Ali bin Abi Taleb called that which is prayed at one or two spear-lengths "Salat al-Awwabin".

Wa Allahu a´lam.

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What about salat ul Awwabin ? some say they are the same as ishraq and duha as well , just in different times of the day .

I am confused here . Something tells me its not the same . Why would the prophet do different salahs in different times if they were the same ?
Every Salah be it fard or sunnah or nafl has its origin ...
These are prayers of Ambiya after significant events as far as I know that Allah wanted the Prophet (saw) and his Ummah to follow.

I do not know the proper reference points ( ilm )to make a judgment . Could some one help ?

Im pretty sure they are different.
Salah ad-Duha/Ishraq is 2-4 rakahs after sunrise while Salat-ul-Awwabiin is a minimum of 6 rakahs after Maghrib salah.

Completely different.

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And the forbidden time for nawafil prayer is from Fajr salah till sunrise?

Correct.

Brother Rifai, does that mean we cannot pray 2 rakat nafil Tahyyatul Wudhu before the Fajr (Or before the 2 sunnah's of the Fajr)?
I think I have done that once or twice.

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Brother Rifai, does that mean we cannot pray 2 rakat nafil Tahyyatul Wudhu before the Fajr (Or before the 2 sunnah's of the Fajr)?
I think I have done that once or twice.

There is no problem with praying tahiyyatul wudhu before the fardh of Fajr. It is not permissible to pray any nafl salah after the fardh of Fajr until sunrise.

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Also, I understand that the forbidden prayer times are:
1) Right at Sunrise
2) Zenith/Midday (when sun is highest in the sky, approx. 5-10 minutes before Dhur)
3) Right at sunset
4) After 'Asr
5) After Fajr

During these times we're not allowed to pray at all? Not even Tahiyyatul Wudhu or Tahiyattul Masjid?