[feroiodpiop]

seekersguidance.com is good for Hanafi, Shafi'i and Maliki opinions.

[feroiodpiop]

It is prohibited to attend the actual funeral ceremonies of non-Muslims, says AskImam.
And by the way, sunnipath sees no problem invoking the dead-ones.

Wassalam.

Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar (radhiyallu 'anhuma) didn't see a problem with calling upon the dead either in the narration

عن عبد الرحمن بن سعد قال: خدرت رجل ابن عمر فقال له رجل: اذكر أحب الناس إليك فقال: يا محمد

Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d narrates Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu 'anhum) had numbness in his leg, whereupon a man said to him, "Remember the most beloved of people to you", so he said, "Ya Muhammad". [Imam al Bukhari, Kitab ul Adab ul Mufrad, Hadith 964]

Imam 'Ali al Qari (rahimahullah) explains

كانه رضى الله تعالى عنه قصد به اظهار المحبة فى ضمن الاستغاثة

Ibn Umar (radhiyllahu 'anhuma) expressed his love in the form of "ISTIGHATHA" ['Ali al Qari: Sharh ash-Shifa (2/41)]

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I think the fatawa are translated by second or third parties since Sh. Salih al-Munajjid gives fatawa in Arabic. If there are issues in understanding of the fatwa in English, it may be the fault with the translator and not with the actual verdict given by Sh. Salih.

One of the biggest problems with Islam-QA is that even though it may offer the opinion of one or more madhahib on some issues, the text does a complete 180 and says something along the lines of, "...but the correct opinion is," suggesting that the opinion of the madhhab is wrong and the conclusion reached by either Sh. Salih himself or by Sh. bin Baaz, ibn Uthaymeen, or ibn Taymiyah رحمهم الله is the "correct" opinion.

Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar (radhiyallu 'anhuma) didn't see a problem with calling upon the dead either in the narration

عن عبد الرحمن بن سعد قال: خدرت رجل ابن عمر فقال له رجل: اذكر أحب الناس إليك فقال: يا محمد

Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d narrates Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu 'anhum) had numbness in his leg, whereupon a man said to him, "Remember the most beloved of people to you", so he said, "Ya Muhammad". [Imam al Bukhari, Kitab ul Adab ul Mufrad, Hadith 964]

Imam 'Ali al Qari (rahimahullah) explains

كانه رضى الله تعالى عنه قصد به اظهار المحبة فى ضمن الاستغاثة

Ibn Umar (radhiyllahu 'anhuma) expressed his love in the form of "ISTIGHATHA" ['Ali al Qari: Sharh ash-Shifa (2/41)]

Please use the search function because the issue of istighatha and tawassul has been dealt to death on this forum.

[MP+4]

I think the fatawa are translated by second or third parties since Sh. Salih al-Munajjid gives fatawa in Arabic. If there are issues in understanding of the fatwa in English, it may be the fault with the translator and not with the actual verdict given by Sh. Salih.

He really needs a new translator. I have given up on that site because of the translation. It is really difficult to figure out what the point the sheik is trying to make. Some one tell the translator to quit using awkward structures and that run-on sentances are a no-no in English!

[feroiodpiop]

Please use the search function because the issue of istighatha and tawassul has been dealt to death on this forum.

If the conclusion of the SF community opposes that of the Sahabah and classical scholars of Islam (radhiyallahu 'anhum), then I will remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama.

[ancexttew]

If the conclusion of the SF community opposes that of the Sahabah and classical scholars of Islam (radhiyallahu 'anhum), then I will remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama.

No one cares about "the conclusion of the SF community". What matters is what the ulama have to say and many ulama have spoken against istighatha and many ahadeeth have been used to argue against istighatha - and all the various discussions on this issue have referred to traditional ulama belonging to the four madhahib. So, you saying that you will "remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama" requires further elaboration, since many traditional ulama of the four madhahib have spoken out against istighatha.

Furthermore, Mullah Ali Qari has also said, "And one should, in all of one's issues rely on Him i.e. not ask anyone apart from Him because those apart from Him are not able to give or prevent, remove harm, attract benefit, for indeed they do not possess the ability to give death or life and nor resurrection."

I'll end this discussion since it is off-topic and instead direct you to read the following: http://www.deoband.org/2009/02/aqida...efs/istigatha/

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Abdullah ibn Umar didn't see a problem with calling upon the dead either in the narration
Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d narrates Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu 'anhum) had numbness in his leg, whereupon a man said to him, "Remember the most beloved of people to you", so he said, "Ya Muhammad". [Imam al Bukhari, Kitab ul Adab ul Mufrad, Hadith 964]

oh my God, what a dirty lie on a sahabi! I've reported your post let's see if moderators care.

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- The authenticity of this hadith is disputed, but assuming it is sahih, it does not prove seeking help from the Prophet in the least.

- The hadith has different riwayat, some with "Muhammad" and some with "Ya Muhammad."

- In either case, the harf al-nida' "ya" in Arab is not always use for literally calling out to someone. When the nida is used for someone or something who is not present, it is often done with the intention of visualizing that person or thing in one's heart (al-istihdhar fi al-qalb).

- This is similar to how in Pakistani culture, people call out to their mother in moments of pain or distress, not with the intention that she can hear them and come to their assistance, but as a means of comforting themselves by picturing their beloved mother.

- ibn `Umar (ra) merely said to mention the one whom he loved most, not to ask that person to cure his ailment.

- The Arabs of old used to view remembering a loved one as a means of curing numbness, because they thought that his would cause the blood to circulate more. You can find this fact in dozens of couplets. ( see al-Alusi's Bulugh al-Arab Fi Ma`rifat Ahwal al-`Arab)

- There are numerous, clear and unequivocal ayat and ahadith that prohibit beseeching other than Allah for assistance. As mentioned previously, this hadith is of disputed authenticity. Assuming that it is in fact sahih, it definitely does not prove istighathah, as was demonstrated above. Assuming that is is sahih and does in fact prove istighathah (which it clearly does not), then it is still an ahad narration. Check what the usul books of the Hanafis say about doing taqyid of mutlaq of the Qur'an or takhsis of 'aam of the Qur'an with hadith ahad. Also, check what the books of the Ash`aris/Maturidis say regarding ahadith ahad that contradict ayat of Qur'an, ahadith mutawatirah, or established principles of the deen. I acknowledge that some of the later ash`ari scholars did permit istighathah, but this seems to be in violation of their own principles.

- You will not find any scholar from the time of the salaf that permitted calling out to prophets and awliyah for help directly, especially not for curing an illness. As for tawassul, that is a different issue.

[Cvo1iRT0]

I remember i went to IslamQA a few years ago and i was just looking around and i came across a question about befriending a Non Muslim and IslamQA outright stated that it was Haraam to befriend any Non Muslim and from then on i was cautious using that website.

[feroiodpiop]

- The hadith has different riwayat, some with "Muhammad" and some with "Ya Muhammad."

The copies of al Adab al Mufrad which omit the word "Ya" in this Riwayah are a fabrication because there is a manuscript of the original book present in Jami'ah al Azhar and in that copy it contains the word "Ya". Here is a scan of the manuscript:

original manuscript kalmi nuskha of al-adab al-mufrad by imam bukhari from jamiyah al-azhar misr.jpg

o ya muhammad.jpg

- You will not find any scholar from the time of the salaf that permitted calling out to prophets and awliyah for help directly, especially not for curing an illness. As for tawassul, that is a different issue.

I would rather trust Sheikhul Islam Taqiud Deen as Subki (radhiyallahu 'anh) than you. He writes in a whole chapter dedicated to the permissibility of Tawassul and Istighatha:

اعلم انه يجوز و يحسن التوسل و الاستغاثة و التشفع بالنبي صلى الله عليه و سلم إلى ربه سبحانه و تعالى و جواز ذلك و حسنه من الأمور المعلومة لكل ذي دين المعروفة من فعل الأنبياء و المرسلين و سير السلف الصالحين و العلماء و العوام من المسلمين و لم ينكر أحد ذلك من أهل الأديان و لا سمع به في زمن الأزمان حتى جاء ابن تيمية فتكلم في ذلك بكلام يلبس فيه على الضعفاء الأغمار و ابتدع ما لم يسبق اليه في سائر الأصار و لهذا طعن في الحكاية التي تقدم ذكرها عن مالك رحمه الله تعالى فإن فيها قول مالك رحمه الله تعالى للمنصور: استشفع به

"It should be known that Tawassul, Istigatha and Shafa'ah through the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the court of Allah is not only allowed but is recommended. It being Legal and recommended is a known fact for everyone who has understanding of deen, this is a deed of Prophets/Messengers, the Salaf-as-Saliheen, the Ulama and general public of Muslims, none of them denied it nor in any time these deeds were called as bad except for when Ibn Taymiyyah came and he started to reject them, his sayings made the weak get into confusion/dilemma, he did such a Bid'ah which nobody before him had done..." [Shifa us Siqaam fi Ziyaratal Khayr al Anaam, Chapter 8, Page No. 357]

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Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar (radhiyallu 'anhuma) didn't see a problem with calling upon the dead either in the narration

عن عبد الرحمن بن سعد قال: خدرت رجل ابن عمر فقال له رجل: اذكر أحب الناس إليك فقال: يا محمد

Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d narrates Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu 'anhum) had numbness in his leg, whereupon a man said to him, "Remember the most beloved of people to you", so he said, "Ya Muhammad". [Imam al Bukhari, Kitab ul Adab ul Mufrad, Hadith 964]

Imam 'Ali al Qari (rahimahullah) explains

كانه رضى الله تعالى عنه قصد به اظهار المحبة فى ضمن الاستغاثة

Ibn Umar (radhiyllahu 'anhuma) expressed his love in the form of "ISTIGHATHA" ['Ali al Qari: Sharh ash-Shifa (2/41)]

oh my God, what a dirty lie on a sahabi! I've reported your post let's see if moderators care.

You can report me to the moderators, but what are you going to do about the Hadith which Imam al Bukhari narrated? What are you going to do about the great Imams Taqiud Deen as Subki, Ali al Qari, Shamsud Deen and Shihabud Deen ar Ramli, Ahmad al Qastalani, Ahmed ibn Hajar al Haytami and many other great Ulama (radhiyallahu 'anhum)? Will you report them too?

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I could reply to the silly misinterpretations you copy-pasted from google, but in reality you already ashamed yourself although you don't know it yet. You're the type of guy that makes average arab wonder what type of Islam is in IndoPak.

May Allah give us hidayah. Make same du'a to Jesus.

[feroiodpiop]

I could reply to the silly misinterpretations you copy-pasted from google, but in reality you already ashamed yourself although you don't know it yet. You're the type of guy that makes average arab wonder what type of Islam is in IndoPak.

May Allah give us hidayah. Make same du'a to Jesus.

I don't see how else it could be interpreted. By the way, I didn't copy and paste from google, I copied from the books of the great Imam al Bukhari, as Subki and Ali al Qari (radhiyallahu 'anhum). Also, I am not in the Indo-Pak subcontinent, nor do I represent the views of the Muslims in the subcontinent. I live in Britain and I was portraying the views of Imams from all over the world from all ages, including Arabs. We practice Islam to please Allah and his Beloved and not the followers of Muhammad ibn Adbil Wahhab or ibn Taymiyyah. From the works of great Ulama, we see that no one objected to the correct use of Istighathah (with the intention that Allah alone is the one who bestows all bounties and removes all calamities) from the Sahabah, the Salaf and the later scholars except ibn Taymiyyah.

Aameen to your Du'a.

[EsAllCams]

I don't see how else it could be interpreted. By the way, I didn't copy and paste from google, I copied from the books of the great Imam al Bukhari, as Subki and Ali al Qari (radhiyallahu 'anhum). Also, I am not in the Indo-Pak subcontinent, nor do I represent the views of the Muslims in the subcontinent. I live in Britain and I was portraying the views of Imams from all over the world from all ages, including Arabs. We practice Islam to please Allah and his Beloved and not the followers of Muhammad ibn Adbil Wahhab or ibn Taymiyyah. From the works of great Ulama, we see that no one objected to the correct use of Istighathah (with the intention that Allah alone is the one who bestows all bounties and removes all calamities) from the Sahabah, the Salaf and the later scholars except ibn Taymiyyah.

Aameen to your Du'a.

Do you honestly believe Ibn Taymiyya was the only scholar to forbid Istighatha?

At least be honest with yourself. If you want to follow the later scholars who allowed it, then at least accept that those who don't are also following scholars.

[Andrew1978]

I find all both these fatwa sites as VERY unfair to Muslim women ... Fatwa about nurse (woman) and doctor (male) can't be alone ? Like seriously? We are living in 21st century today. All these things are regressive. Ijtihad is needed

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I find all both these fatwa sites as VERY unfair to Muslim women ... Fatwa about nurse (woman) and doctor (male) can't be alone ? Like seriously? We are living in 21st century today. All these things are regressive. Ijtihad is needed

Well today everyone is a mujtahid you may think opening your own fatwa website, I'm sure many will like it.

[feroiodpiop]

Do you honestly believe Ibn Taymiyya was the only scholar to forbid Istighatha?

At least be honest with yourself. If you want to follow the later scholars who allowed it, then at least accept that those who don't are also following scholars.

Wa alaikum assalam,

I believe that what Imam Taqiud Deen as Subki (rahimahullah) has said and that is, "It should be known that Tawassul, Istigathah and Shafa'ah through the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the court of Allah is not only allowed but is recommended.It being Legal and recommended is a known fact for everyone who has understanding of deen, this is a deed of Prophets/Messengers, the Salaf-as-Saliheen, the Ulama and general public of Muslims, none of them denied it nor in any time were these deeds were called bad except for when Ibn Taymiyyah came and he started to reject them.." [Shifa us Siqaam fi Ziyarat Khayr al Anaam, Chapter 8, Page No. 357] as I quoted before. I trust him more than I trust you.

I am not criticising anyone, if you don't want to do Istighathah through the Beloved then don't. It is not Wajib or Fardh, however please do not point fingers at those who do and please do not accuse anyone of Shirk.

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I am not criticising anyone, if you don't want to do Istighathah through the Beloved then don't. It is not Wajib or Fardh, however please do not point fingers at those who do and please do not accuse anyone of Shirk.

Please do not lie on a sahabi, please do not lie on 'ulama.

[Andrew1978]

None!
Keep away from both of them. not so long ago in one of the website the shaykh said women had small brains!!!

Stick to www.askimam.org, www.sunnipath.com, www.daruliftaa.com & there are few run by Qualfiied shafi scholars as well.

I have visited AskImam...even they have looked kinda stupid to me...Music is non-permissible...and guess what? even CLAPPING is "haram" according to this site...Sites like this should be avoided..Muslims should broaden their view a bit....clapping is haram? seriously?!?!

[PetraCromlich]

^ Yes they are oh SO STUPID!

Because they use actual texts to back up their claims and not thoughts from their pockets!