[chootsonege]

First of all, Hinduism is a monothesitic religion, Brahman is the one God. What is agreed about the one God by both Muslims and Hindus is that He is beyond comprehension. So if God is beyond comprehension, then any explanation that one gives of God actually falls short of what God really is. Some try to explain God using logic, but God is not the conclusion of some logical formula either.

What can be said about pantheism, whether it is a reality or not, I don't know, but when one reaches the highest states of spirituality, one feels as if they are one with God. Even in Islam when one reaches the highest spiritual, Prophet Muhammad describe this experience as in a Hadith Qudsi as, "And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks," (Sahih Muslim)

This experience is known by the sufis as Fana or Baqa. If one reaches this spiritual experience without the science of Islamic aqidah one can reach the conclusion that he or she is God or even that everything is God. It is not inconceivable for one to perceive this.


Hindu Aqidah is not like Islamic Aqidah, one is not required to believe in everything, that is taught. I personally believe in reincarnation in regards to people, but I don't know about people reincarnating into animals. It doesn't seems reasonable to me. And I don't have to believe it.



I don't think the hindus would disagree with you on this one.

-Silouan

Are you sure Silouan? Polytheism is ascribing partners to God and demoting God to the level of the creation based on how the creation understands Him. Thus, multiple Gods exist in Hinduism.

Monotheism deals with the absolute, polytheism doesn't.

You're more confused than I thought!

[chootsonege]

I see a pattern here Siloaun. Going from Monotheism to Polytheism and the way things are going, to atheism.

May Allah guide you. I mean that.

[12dargernswearf]

So what aspects of Hinduism fit your world view Silouan?

In Hinduism you are not requried to believe in anything. Experience God and find out for yourself, what and who God is.

Islam requires you to believe without experience. In Islam you have to bear witness and you haven't witnessed anything. And if you don't believe you are destined to hell.

There are many difference forms of Hinduism, so I can't speak for all forms of Hinduism. But I am studying Kriya Yoga, in particular.

-Silouan

[Lyikmcmb]

Silouan,

I hope you find your peace.

Concern for you was the reason I joined the Sunniforum community.

See what you think of the following recent thread about Hinduism: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47494.

The incoherence of the Hindu position is what struck me most.

The thread is long but might be worth your effort.

[DumbNelmcrece]

I've followed some form of Islam most of life. And now that I've left Islam, I still have a spiritual needs. Islam failed in fulfilling my spiritual needs so I've sought else where. So this has lead me to studying other traditions in search of God, trying to understand my purpose in life etc etc.

What is confusing about that???

-Silouan

Have you read anything about genuine Sufism or Tasawwuf ? Tasawwuf is a science of Islam which will provide you spiritual nourishment in a methodical way.

[mensforyouthis]

Salaam,

Please watch these lectures by Dr. Zakir Naik. He will dismantle similarities and between Hinduism and Islam as well as point where they differ. I think you're views will change at the end. May Allah swt give you guidance and reason to get back on the Right path.

There are so many non-Muslims that revert to Islam, including prominent U.S. professors, scientists, athletes, priests, etc. Although the significant number of people reverting to Islam shouldn't be the reason for you (re)join Islam, it shouldn't be totally disregarded either. Undoubtly, Truth stands clear from error.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y99ga...eature=related

[12dargernswearf]

Kriya Yoga is not Hinduism. It is a man-made pseudo-religion which will not lead one anywhere but downwards, spiritually speaking.

So have you practiced and studied Kriya Yoga???

This, you will find, is the timeless teaching of all religions, whether Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism. Have you really believed in and practiced any one of these? Yeah.

[12dargernswearf]

Silouan,

I hope you find your peace.

Concern for you was the reason I joined the Sunniforum community.

See what you think of the following recent thread about Hinduism: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47494.

The incoherence of the Hindu position is what struck me most.

The thread is long but might be worth your effort.

The whole thread seems to deal with aqidah, and how Allah relates to the world.

Aqidah is inadequate to explain Allah, no matter what religion, because the mind cannot behold God. The Quran has incoherent statement in it. The science of aqidah attempts to explain these incoherent statements but in reality fall short. The dominant position in the science of aqidah in regards to nature of Allah spoken of in the Quran is tafwid.

In the language of the Muslims, the science of aqidah is not the science one uses to attain the knowledge or understanding of Allah. FOr it cannot be attain by this science. The knowledge or understanding of ALlah can only be experienced ie through the science of tasawwaf.

It is written in the Quran that man was created to worship Allah. Not Fiqh, but rather, Ihsan, to worship Allah as though you see Him (ie because you see Him). That is why man was created to Behold God at all times.

-Silouan

[flopay]

I see it like this:

People who want the truth or want to change for the better - they may try out a few things but in their search for truth they end up to see that it is in Islam and that it makes the most sense. You see many converts who have had this kind of journey to Islam

Then theres people who want something which agrees with their preconcieved ideas or that which suits their current lifestyle the most and are not in search of the truth - these end up far from the straight path.

Just my personal view

Allah knows best

[nushentelve]

My Old Imam Attempts to Reconvert Me

After a couple of years of leaving Islam, I ran into my old Imam. He was really disappointed that I had not kept in contact with him (at the same time he had no idea, that I left Islam). So I was between a rock and a hard place, I didn’t want to hurt his feelings in telling him that I left Islam (because I remember when I was a believer in Islam and close brother I knew had left Islam, and it made me feel something terrible, the worst feeling in the world at the time) while at the same time, I didn’t want to mislead him into thinking that I didn’t like him. I felt it was better to be straight up. In short I told him how I felt, Islam as it is taught today does not fit my world view. He invited me to dinner, and we had a long discussion, and he tried to re-convert me.

He doesn’t understand, that I was a real believer at the time, but I no longer in that frame of mind. I was neither scholar nor a student of knowledge but I am not ignorant of Islam. Of all the religious tradition that I’ve studied, from Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism etc etc, I’ve come to the conclusion that Hinduism fits closer to my world view.

Knowing that my old Imam is not well versed in Hinduism, I guess I should be fair and see what are the Islamic arguments against Hinduism from people who may be aware of this tradition.

Watch this series sincerely and you shall [Insha'Allah] land somewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nld30...eature=channel

[doctorzlo]

As salamu alaikum
This story did upset me . As a 13-year-old Muslim revert from Catholicism in Christianity I looked into many religions myself. I have always believed that Hinduism is a ridiculous religion (I'm sorry, but it's true) and it is truly the height of idol worship.

Science has helped prove that Islam is the Truth. But above all, the Qur'an has proved it, the Word of Allah and He has fulfilled his Promise that His Word will always stay the same, 1430 years on.

But anyway, Allah does guide who He will, as it states many times in the Holy Book. Just be aware of the penalty of taking yourself away from Islam.

Sarah

[AnneseeKels]

Salam alaikum

This matter of modern Hinduism has to be reduced to its basic foundation:

Man defying the Creator even if he acknowledges the existance of the Creator. A person, a nonHindu, converting to Hinduism, is the absence of submission and the motivations of the ego of individualism which is the product of the Capitalist personality.

It has been observed in Western societies individuals who shun the Judeo-Christian beliefs and replace them with "Eastern" beliefs which do not challenge the Capitalist ideological foundation: secularism. Hence, a person can pray to Jesus or Buddha or Hari Krishna or some Hindu idol with no conflict in how he defines his relations with others, ie. economics, politics, social relations, the environment, etc.
All the while, the individual controls and defines. As Solian mentioned, if there is something he doesn't like, he just doesn't have to believe in it, like someone reincarnated as an animal. But the very idea of Hinduism has been elite men- brahmans, priests, rulers- making up stories, myths, beliefs for various purposes. And if there actually was a prophet (saaw) with revelation from Allah (SWT) at some point in history to India, the message has been obfiscated and distorted by men for generations for their own purposes.

[KeettyGlots]

First of all, Hinduism is a monothesitic religion, Brahman is the one God. What is agreed about the one God by both Muslims and Hindus is that He is beyond comprehension. So if God is beyond comprehension, then any explanation that one gives of God actually falls short of what God really is. Some try to explain God using logic, but God is not the conclusion of some logical formula either.

What can be said about pantheism, whether it is a reality or not, I don't know, but when one reaches the highest states of spirituality, one feels as if they are one with God. Even in Islam when one reaches the highest spiritual, Prophet Muhammad describe this experience as in a Hadith Qudsi as, "And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks," (Sahih Muslim)

This experience is known by the sufis as Fana or Baqa. If one reaches this spiritual experience without the science of Islamic aqidah one can reach the conclusion that he or she is God or even that everything is God. It is not inconceivable for one to perceive this.


Hindu Aqidah is not like Islamic Aqidah, one is not required to believe in everything, that is taught. I personally believe in reincarnation in regards to people, but I don't know about people reincarnating into animals. It doesn't seems reasonable to me. And I don't have to believe it.



I don't think the hindus would disagree with you on this one.

-Silouan

There are some movements within Hinduism (such as the Krishnas) that are montheistic, but the vast majority of them are indeed pantheistic/monistic. And you obviously misunderstood that quote from Sahih Muslim; the point of the quote is that a person becomes so conscious of Allah, that he acts in full awareness of Allah. It does not mean he becomes Allah. There is a fine line between monism and monotheism, but the crossing of that line has drastic effects.

In regards to your belief in reincarnation, one has to analyze this supposition logically. Now, as I understand it, most Hindus believe that one reincarnates continuously until one reaches the state of "God." The problem with this though is that they also assert that one's self is eternal. Now, if one is eternal and beyond time and space, then one does not change. Because if one is eternal one would have already reached the finality of any change (ie God-hood). This is why in all monotheistic religions, God does not change.

[Nubtoubrem]

Hinduism is a big joke. How could anyone accept a religion that is designed to not make sense?

[chootsonege]

Hinduism is a big joke. How could anyone accept a religion that is designed to not make sense?

Worked for The Beatles and few other celebs apparently...worked for an apostate cousin of mine too sadly...

[apatteopipt]

Narrated 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

(Sahih Bukhari 4.260)
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people [hypocrites] and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

[AnneseeKels]

Here in Florida, a big issue is being made by the Christians of a apostate 17 yr old girl who ran away from her Muslim family to live with a Christian preacher. The governor has commented on this too. She claimed her father threatened to kill her, so the presiding judge has ordered her to stay in Florida with a Christian foster family instead of returning her to Ohio to her family.

Christians are excited about this, saying she will be killed if she returns to her family.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,3622780.story


The thing is about apostacy:

no individual- family or stranger- and no Muslim community can undertake the trial, conviction, execution of an apostate. Such is reserved for the hakim- not people. Just as we cannot stone an adulterer or adulteress in our family.

Apostacy cannot be accepted, but we cannot implement this command from Allah (SWT). In fact, this is why we need aa khalifa and khilafah state: to not only implement the commands of Allah, but to carry the Dawah to Islam to mankind.

[KeettyGlots]

Here in Florida, a big issue is being made by the Christians of a apostate 17 yr old girl who ran away from her Muslim family to live with a Christian preacher. The governor has commented on this too. She claimed her father threatened to kill her, so the presiding judge has ordered her to stay in Florida with a Christian foster family instead of returning her to Ohio to her family.

Christians are excited about this, saying she will be killed if she returns to her family.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,3622780.story


The thing is about apostacy:

no individual- family or stranger- and no Muslim community can undertake the trial, conviction, execution of an apostate. Such is reserved for the hakim- not people. Just as we cannot stone an adulterer or adulteress in our family.

Apostacy cannot be accepted, but we cannot implement this command from Allah (SWT). In fact, this is why we need aa khalifa and khilafah state: to not only implement the commands of Allah, but to carry the Dawah to Islam to mankind.

As salamu alaykum,

I heard about this on the news. It's so ridiculous; I highly doubt that a father who didn't even force his daughter into wearing hijab or attending the jumuah would seriously be considering killing her. From what I read, it seemed quite obvious that the father simply wanted his daughter to return home, as any father would. What probably happened is the girl's Christian friends brainwashed her into thinking that it was every Muslim's duty to personally murder anybody who apostatizes. And I can't even believe that anybody would seriously leave Islam to follow Evangelical megachurch Christianity. I've been to such churches and they're literally just giant jokes--nothing but silly song and dance. Most of the time they might mention 2 or 3 quotes from the Bible at best.

[Kolovorotkes]

The video footage showed these flesheaters bowing down without using their hands to bite pieces of the flesh. They are painted and wearing some colored ceremonial robe. This is just a fringe group, and since Hinduism is not an organized religion like Islam and Christianity, it would be somewhat correct to say that this group exists outside of the fold of mainstream Hinduism by a long distance. There are many groups in India that use the language of Hinduism to direct their spiritual philosophy but are not Hindus in the traditional sense. Anyway, thankfully they have not moved on from the stomach turning ritual of eating the flesh of dead humans to the disgusting ritual of murdering living humans in the name of religion. Or for that matter sanctioning the murder of someone because they have decided on a different spiritual path.

[Nubtoubrem]

As salamu alaykum,

I heard about this on the news. It's so ridiculous; I highly doubt that a father who didn't even force his daughter into wearing hijab or attending the jumuah would seriously be considering killing her. From what I read, it seemed quite obvious that the father simply wanted his daughter to return home, as any father would. What probably happened is the girl's Christian friends brainwashed her into thinking that it was every Muslim's duty to personally murder anybody who apostatizes. And I can't even believe that anybody would seriously leave Islam to follow Evangelical megachurch Christianity. I've been to such churches and they're literally just giant jokes--nothing but silly song and dance. Most of the time they might mention 2 or 3 quotes from the Bible at best.

That's precisely the reason people flock to them. Even amongst Muslims, how many people fall into strange and/or deviant ideologies simply based on the personality of a preacher?

Sadly, the majority of people are more easily swayed by sweet words than by truth.