[arraxylap]

He clearly say's it is fardh in urdu language.

He say's there is a hadith in which rasool allah say's it is command from allah to his messenger i just want to know which hadith say's like that?

He may have been referring to the following:

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayrah (رضي الله عنه), reported that the ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisra, sent two envoys to the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم). When they came into the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and let their moustaches grow big. Hating their ugly appearance, The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) turned his face away and said, “Woe be to you, who told you to do so?” They replied:“Our lord (Kisra) did!” The Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) responded “But my Lord, exalted and glorified be He, has commanded me to spare my beard and trim my moustache.” [Recorded by Ibn Jarir at-Tabari, Ibn Sa’d, and Ibn Bishran. Verified to be hasan (good) by al-Albani رحمه الله (Fiqh us-Sirah by al-Ghazali p. 359)]

[arraxylap]

Theres a nice compilation of articles here http://www.muftisays.com/forums/virt...the-beard.html

Call it what you will, but its clearly necessary to let it grow.

[Mypepraipse]

He may have been referring to the following:

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayrah (رضي الله عنه), reported that the ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisra, sent two envoys to the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم). When they came into the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and let their moustaches grow big. Hating their ugly appearance, The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) turned his face away and said, “Woe be to you, who told you to do so?” They replied:“Our lord (Kisra) did!” The Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) responded “But my Lord, exalted and glorified be He, has commanded me to spare my beard and trim my moustache.” [Recorded by Ibn Jarir at-Tabari, Ibn Sa’d, and Ibn Bishran. Verified to be hasan (good) by al-Albani رحمه الله (Fiqh us-Sirah by al-Ghazali p. 359)]

I think he has said mostly the same but is this is authenthic hadith?

Why i am asking is because i think i am not sure but he said from valid source something like Bukhari or Muslim etc.

[oxinsnepe]

Yes brother he is talking about the 5 pillar's only.

He say's only 5 pillar's are fardh.

So how should i answer him?

Ask him if eating halal meat is compulsory or not, and where it is in the five pillars.. : )

Anyway, don't loose your time trying to reply to each and any thing you hear from ignorant people, just present them the truth and then leave them alone and make du'a' that Allah guides them, that's it.

[oxinsnepe]

He has used the term fardh to make beard strictly compulsory, actually he was asked the question Beard Fardh or Sunnah? Then replied it is fardh and presented the proof from that hadith.

Yeah, beard is a necessary Sunnah, so the point should be clear enough by now.

[Toscoropreark]

Nowadays just for NAME SAKE people grow beard, finely trimmed ones which sometimes make me think that they are french, mexican, italian decent.
Do you guys recommend our brothers growing beard like disbelieving Europeans?

[Qeiafib]

Nowadays just for NAME SAKE people grow beard, finely trimmed ones which sometimes make me think that they are french, mexican, italian decent.
Do you guys recommend our brothers growing beard like disbelieving Europeans?

Yes, this is very unfortunate, especially when imams do it. It makes it difficult for those of us who want to grow a proper beard, as people point to the imams and say if it was necessary to let the beard grow, he would have done it.

[AALee]

brother grow a beard....simple conclusion. I was very disappointed with an arab alim who got into a legal discussion about the beard etc and tried to downplay it. Another example is when our dear egpytian brothers started a campaign to grow a beard and wanted 1 million men to grow beards a sufi alim who is famous mentions that it would have been better if they focused on other things. Such discussion is not very beneficial. At the end of the day we know the prophet sallahuwaslaam had a beard so just grow one.

Who was this famous Sufi Alim?

[Txaizdxx]

عن ابن عمر (عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال خالفوا المشركين وفروا اللحى وأحفوا الشوارب) وكان ابن عمر إذا حج أو اعتمر قبض على لحيته فما فضل أخذه

Ibn Umar narrates, The Prophet said, "Oppose those who ascribe partners to Allah (al Mushrikeen). Lengthen the beards and trim the moustaches short." Whenever Ibn 'Umar performed the Hajj or 'Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever exceeded it. (Sahih al Bukhari, Book 72, Hadith 780)

[CHEAPSOFTOEMONLINE]

Yes brother he is talking about the 5 pillar's only.

He say's only 5 pillar's are fardh.

So how should i answer him?

May Allah reward you brother for having fikr (concern) for your community and for making effort to find the best ways to handle some of these situations. Ameen.

I think that's an easy one Insha'Allah. Ask him what is the first pillar of Islam. He will say "La iLLaha iLLAllah, Muhammadur Rasulullah". Ask him what is the meaning of that. He will say "No one is worthy of worship except Allah swt, Muhammad is His messenger". If, up until this point, he gets anything wrong, correct him politely and with hikmah. Have the attitude of "I don't know anything so how can I even tell you, but this is Insha'Allah the correct way to say it, or the correct meaning", etc. That is the case for majority of us anyway (I know it is with me) so we must always be humble Insha'Allah.

Below is a quote from Fazail-e-Amal:

(1) To memorise and correctly recite the "Kalimah":

"La iLLaha iLLAllah, Muhammadur Rasulullah" [added by me, book has it in Arabic].

And to understand its literal meaning, as well as what it actually implies. That is, to believe, to say, and to act on the faith that Allah Ta'ala is the only Power, the only Authority and the Sole Controller of all things, and it is He alone who is to be worshipped and obeyed, and it is He alone who grants success or failure in life. Success will depend on our truly adopting the way of life preached and taught by Hadhrat Mohammad (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) and our accepting him as true and last Prophet of Allah. Having this as ideal, we begin to change our own life on the pattern requirements of the "Kalimah". Islam starts with this Kalimah. What does "worshiping Allah Ta'ala mean? Is it only salat? No. Worshiping Allah swt is 24/7, in each and every aspect of our lives. How we live our life, how we talk to others, how we look, how we dress, how we walk, talk, eat, sleep, etc, etc, etc.

I can make all the salats I want, I can fast all I want, I can give all the charity I want, and I can perform Hajj as many times as I want... but if I don't have firm yaqeen and faith in this Kalima Tayyaba, then the salat is just physical exercise and the fasting is nothing more than starving myself. May Allah swt protect us all. Ameen.

In any case, though it may seem like I drifted off topic, my point is that if anyone claims to believe in the 5 pillars of Islam (which Alhamdulillah all Muslims do believe in, no matter how "bad" we may have become), then we have to show it with our actions and not just say it with our tongue. If I claim to believe in the very first pillar of Islam (without which I cannot be called a "Muslim"), the Kalima "La iLLaha iLLAllah, Muhammadur Rasullah", then it becomes my responsibility to follow each and every (not just the ones I "pick and choose" for my convenience) commandment of Allah swt to the best of my weak abilities, and to dedicate my entire life to learning and implementing the way of The Prophet into my life. Period.

That means doing whatever Allah swt and His Messenger have ordered us to do, and not doing whatever Allah swt and His messenger have forbidden us to do. Sounds simple, but we make it very, very complicated.

Regarding those who say growing the beard is "Sunnah", that is absolutely correct. Everything that the Prophet did is Sunnah. Making salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan, giving zakat, and performing Hajj are all Sunnah. There's no such thing as a "small" Sunnah. To the Sahaba , Sunnah was no joke. There are countless stories which show what a big deal the Sunnah of the Prophet was to the Sahaba (RA).. such as the one when a sahabi (RA) once reached a stairway while walking somewhere with someone and he all of the sudden stopped. The sahabi (RA) who was with him asked why he stopped, and he said something to the effect of "I was once walking this path with the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) and I cannot remember if he (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) put his right foot on the stairs first or his left foot first. If I don't do it like he did, that means I am not following his Sunnah".

Or the time when a group of sahaba (RA) were walking through an area with some trees and one of them all of the sudden ducked down while walking, as if to avoid a branch, but there was no branch there to avoid. When asked why he did that, he said that he once walked this path with the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) and there used to be a branch hanging there, so the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) ducked down at that very spot to avoid the branch, and now even though the branch has fallen off, he still ducked at the same spot to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam).

Or the time when a sahabi (RA) was riding his camel with someone and upon reaching a certain place, he turned around, made a small circle and then got back on the path they were traveling on. When asked why he did that, he said that he once traveled this path with the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) and for some reason the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) had stopped at that spot and went back for something, then came back. He could not remember for what, but he said he wanted to make sure to follow the sunnah of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) so he made sure to do the same action at the same exact spot.

That was the value of the Sunnah to the Sahaba (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon them all). These are not fairy tales. These are verified, true stories. Anyone in their right mind can examine the science of hadith and see there's no way it could be "made up". We may say that the Sahaba (RA) were going "overboard" by doing all this, or that they were just "fanatics", but NO. They had it right, we have it wrong. If anyone wants proof, they need not look further than the state of the Muslim ummah at that time, when every single sunnah was meticulously followed, when Muslims ruled the world and yet were loved by non-Muslims and highly respected by their enemies (if they had any that is); compared to the state of the ummah in this day and age.

We, on the other hand, look for loopholes to avoid as many Sunnahs as possible. If someone around us starts practicing a Sunnah, we make sure to interrogate them as if they were a criminal, and we make sure to constantly question and bug them about why they are doing "such and such" or why they are not doing "such and such".

What is the value of the "Sunnah" to us today? It has mainly just become a term which we use so loosely as a synonym to "something we can probably avoid doing". Astaghfirullah.

May Allah swt forgive me and all of us. May Allah swt forgive me for everything which I said wrong. Ameen.

Please remember in your duas.

Allah knows best.

JazakAllah.

Asalaam-o-alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

[spaxiaroorbes]

Growing the beard is wajib (mandatory) for all males who are capable of doing so. As will be presented below, there is ample evidence for this in the Sunnah, and it is the unanimous opinion of the ‘ulama’ of Islam.

Shaving the beard is an act of disobedience to the Messenger (pbuh) who commanded the men to spare their beards in many hadiths. Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) reported that Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said:

“Closely trim the moustaches, and spare the beard.”
[Al-Bukhari, Muslim and others].

Obeying the Messenger is equivalent to obeying Allah:

“He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; and
as for those who turn away: We have not sent you as a
guardian over them.”

[An-Nisa 4:80]

(Taken from: Yahoo answers)

[hygtfrdes]

Once i have listened in lecture from one scholar that beard is "farz" he has given proof from one hadith that in that hadith Prophet is saying it is command from allah.

I will not say the scholar name of the scholar but he is famous scholar.

Can some one provide me the detail's of that hadith?

I know most of the people say it is sunnah. Even i also was said by my elder's that it is sunnah. But the scholar is giving proof of hadith so can some one provide me the details of that hadith?

The 'Alim is right. It is a command from Allah.
The hadith is as follows:
Abu Hurayra reported that the ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisra (Chosroes), sent two envoys to the Messenger ! When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and let their moustaches grow. Hating their appearance, he turned his face away and said, “Woe be to you, who told you to do so?” They replied: “Our lord (Kisra) did!” The Messenger ! responded: “But my Lord, exalted and glorified is He, has commanded me to leave (grow) my beard and trim my moustaches.”
Ibn Jarir at-Tabari, Ibn Sa’ad, and Ibn Bishran. Albani said it was hasan.

[zoolissentesy]

When will will this beard, mawlid, aqeedah debates end? Can't we all follow our own madhabs and remain silent?
Perhaps I should shut up first...

[Qeiafib]

When will will this beard, mawlid, aqeedah debates end? Can't we all follow our own madhabs and remain silent?
Perhaps I should shut up first...

I just want to know why, if the beard is wajib, the notion has become so widespread in the Indian subcontinent that it is "only sunnah". How did this happen? Who began to spread this belief? Even some "religious" desis I know often keep a very short beard and tell me to trim as well. Allah save us.