[ZZipZZipe]

assalamu alaykum

I Was wondering how favourably hizb ut tahrir are viewed to the deobandi community?

My own analysis is that they do good by spreading awareness of khilafah but they are usually quite neglectful of deen. I dont know enough about them though and wondered how they are viewed by the deobandis in general

[spaxiaroorbes]

assalamu alaykum

I Was wondering how favourably hizb ut tahrir are viewed to the deobandi community?

My own analysis is that they do good by spreading awareness of khilafah but they are usually quite neglectful of deen. I dont know enough about them though and wondered how they are viewed by the deobandis in general who is the hizb-ut-taahir? im a bit dense!

[ZZipZZipe]

who is the hizb-ut-taahir? im a bit dense!

organisation who works for the establishment of a unified islamic state emcompassing all of the muslim lands, governed by the shariah. May Allah grant us that.

their websites are :

www.hizb.org.uk

and

www.*************

[ZZipZZipe]

is the khilafah website banned from sunniforum?

[ZZipZZipe]

anyone?

[SasV7ReJ]

stay away honestly there is no good. These guys are delusional i wish my mosque could ban them from leafletting outside our mosque. By the way your from sheffield and are a ( bald ) white revert have you ever met "brother barry" lol

[ZZipZZipe]

so HT are not looked upon favourably by deobandis then? Im not considering them personally, just considering my stance towards them and whtehr i feel they do more good than harm

[Qeiafib]

I don't understand those guys. They always talk about how important it is to get khilafah back, but they don't actually take action? How come they don't help the Taliban in their jihad? Where were they in Iraq?

[omaculer]

who is the hizb-ut-taahir? im a bit dense!

http://www.islamawareness.net/Deviant/Hizb/

[Madjostok]

apparently they don't believe in punishment of the grave?

[kertUtire]

Having just returned home from my Ramadhan vacation I happened to see what sunniforum is up to and I see some of the usual deviations into ithm of hizbiyah- partisanship and bigotry against fellow Muslims.

How many of you throwing scorn, bile, and falsehoods about HT have righteously done so against kafir political groups and parties whom lurk in your own neighborhoods in India, Pakistan, UK?

Ah, so you are against Muslim groups that call for the resumption of khilafah- thus, calling for submission and worship of Allah for His Pleasure- but you are silent against kafir groups that call for kufr ideologies?

So what does that make you?


And spreading falsehoods- lies- about Muslim groups who openly state they seek to implement Islam at a time when implementation of kufr is the mainstream, is a munkar- a grave sin and corruption which supports the enemies of Islam.

HT does NOT disbelieve in the punishment of the grave. That is patently false.

I welcome mature, responsible discourse according to Islamic adab, insha Allah.

[E4qC1qQ5]

Are you sure about that which you are saying that they dont believe in Punishment of the grave.. How can they not as there are clear Hadithes to support that..

I reckon it maybe 1 or 2 Unknowledgable people amongst them who dont have the awareness of islam that may have said something of such asto which it wouldnt be right to right them all off for 1 persons ignorance !!

[Madjostok]

im not sure if the punishment of the grave thing is widespread in HT but i knew a HT sister some years back, this was before they were banned in the UK, she was asking me to hand out leaflets, i asked her about the punishment of the grave thing and she said there was a problem with the hadiths concerning punishment of the grave so that is why they don't accept them

[L6RLnyfl]

Better not to join any of these groups, all good Muslims want a Caliphate, inchallah we work together to achieve this, no need to join groups though.

[ZZipZZipe]

Better not to join any of these groups, all good Muslims want a Caliphate, inchallah we work together to achieve this, no need to join groups though.

many muslims dont even know about khilafah, and those who do, probabily heard about it from HT.

That being said, I agree no need to join them from what i can see, as there is little i can do in teh UK to bring about khilafah in a practical sense, but i can focus on dawah etc inshallah.

I just wondered what the deo position on them was mainly

[soydaykam]

many muslims dont even know about khilafah, and those who do, probabily heard about it from HT.

That being said, I agree no need to join them from what i can see, as there is little i can do in teh UK to bring about khilafah in a practical sense, but i can focus on dawah etc inshallah.

I just wondered what the deo position on them was mainly Ws, Speak to mufti Saleem, most of the opinions you will get here will be subjective and based on hearsay as oposed to facts.

[ZZipZZipe]

is this the sheffield bro?

I was more intested in generally what people thought. i am already aware of their faults but wasnt sure there standing here

[JOR4qxYH]

Salam br Dawud

I had dealings with this group in the Midlands,

What they would do is take kids off the street, and into a smalll dark room, and chat about rebellion, jihad and how the kuffar are destroying our way of life and how a khilafat should be formed. It seems like although they wee chatting some truths, the context in which they were doing it was not good, as most of these youngsters were no older than 13, 14

Walaaikum salam

[rockboyzaza]

HT does NOT disbelieve in the punishment of the grave. That is patently false.

HT does not take the punishment of the grave into aqida. They say that there is no decisive proof for this. They don't believe that Ahadith which are mutawatir in meaning are clear proof. They say these ahadith are doubtful. And so they doubt the punishment of the grave. They say that we cannot be 100% sure of the punishment and thus it is haram to take it into aqida for them. They don't follow ahlu sunnah in this regard.
They say: "We believe in punishment of the grave, but we don't take into aqida." They say this, because they are not sure about it. And being not sure about the punishment of the grave is kufr. They say: MAYBE there is punishment of the grave.

But punishment of the grave is haqq. And doubting the existence is kufr because the ahadith about that are mutawatir in meaning.

They say:
Q. 1: "What is the value of Al-Tawatur Al-Ma'anawi with regard to the Ahadith related to Aqa'id (doctrines)?
A.: Tawatur Ma’nawi does not exist, though what does exist is Tawatur of Hadith; hence, the question has no reality." and
It has become clear from the above that Al-Tawatur Al-Ma’nawi is a group of doubtful reports about various events and meanings, which are not unified by any Isnaad (authority), nor by any event, nor by any conditions. In other words, there exists no link between these reports so as to make them a comprehensive collection that removes from it the possibility of lying and imagination. Hence, they remained, as they were, individuals upon each one of whom the possibility of truthfulness and lying are still existent.

[L6RLnyfl]

I thought Hizb al-Tahrir was just an Islamic political movement, now I am hearing they have differences in 'Aqeedah??? how strange.