[whatisthebluepill]

Pakistan was a dream but today it is nothing short of a nightmare!!!!!!!

The 1st and 2nd generation pakistanis still miss their homeland, but today's youth don't want to know, even more feel embarrassed to acknowledge themselves as pakistanis.

If things improved would you return to pakistan on a permanant basis?

[sniskelsowwef]

very soon in a few years time a tsunami is coming to Pakistan.

If all goes to plan. it will be a country all other muslim countries will aspire to be and follow in international affairs.

I have vowed I will not step back in Paksitan if a certain khan isn't the next Khan (PM) .

Inshallah

[Efksqhyu]

very soon in a few years time a tsunami is coming to Pakistan.

If all goes to plan. it will be a country all other muslim countries will aspire to be and follow in international affairs.

I have vowed I will not step back in Paksitan if a certain khan isn't the next Khan (PM) .

Inshallah

lol
don't get me started

[Efksqhyu]

Pakistan was a dream but today it is nothing short of a nightmare!!!!!!!

The 1st and 2nd generation pakistanis still miss their homeland, but today's youth don't want to know, even more feel embarrassed to acknowledge themselves as pakistanis.

If things improved would you return to pakistan on a permanant basis?

Its not as bad as you think it is, if you have some sort of income then you can live quite peacefully.

[sniskelsowwef]

Its not as bad as you think it is, if you have some sort of income then you can live quite peacefully.

The whole country is disabled through corruption. Economy is a joke so don't know where income will come from. Even to establish a business with money from abroad needs bribes paid to various departments.

many ex-pat pakistanis have made their money in foreign lands and decided to go back and do something for their country but all come back with broken hearts.
I personally know a reasonalble well off man close to my family who lost £250,000 (3 crores) in his ventures in pakistan.

But don't despair...the tsunami is coming

inshallah

[P1international]

Corruption in UK.
The guardian. Tuesday 28 February 2012 10.30 GMT

Yesterday, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers suggested to the Leveson inquiry that some sections of the press have been making regular payments to a network of corrupted public officials.

In the past, it may have been easy for British citizens to pretend corruption is a problem that only exists overseas. However, Akers's revelations now leave no room for denying the UK has its own corruption problem. It may not be as widespread as in some other countries where the problem is entrenched, but any level of corruption in our public institutions is too much.

Last year, Transparency International's study found that the growing threat of corruption is often met with complacency, and that key institutions are refusing to confront the problem. Of particular concern are prisons, political parties, parliament and sport – where the response to the increasing corruption risk is often incoherent and uncoordinated. Today's revelations only add to the mounting evidence of the problem. Corruption creates a welcome environment for organised criminal activity.

Our report revealed that the tentacles of organised crime increasingly extend to sectors such as prisons and sport where criminal activity and corruption are inextricably linked, affecting businesses, communities, the economy, and society's most vulnerable groups. There are an estimated 1,000 corrupt prison officers working in the UK, many of whom smuggle mobile phones to those in prison in exchange for good behaviour, therefore helping to facilitate organised crime both inside and outside the prison walls. In sport, the recent conviction of Mervyn Westfield for spot-fixing has shown that even British county cricket is not immune.

Akers said there was "a culture at the Sun of illegal payments" and mentioned that the police are investigating "frequent and sometimes significant sums of money" paid by some journalists to officers.

The argument has been made by some that bribery is occasionally necessary to obtain stories that are in the public interest. However, if bribes were paid as alleged, this was illegal under British law even before the UK Bribery Act came into force last year. Bribery would give certain news outlets unfair advantage over their competitors for stories, which – as was pointed out today – are often about "salacious gossip" rather than being in the public interest. The fact that some assert bribes are justified in order to sell news is itself a very sad commentary on ethical standards in sections of the media.

Weaknesses within the political system have also emerged. Practices that have been taken for granted for many years are still awaiting change, such as the willingness of politicians to accept corporate and media hospitality, and "revolving door" employment between major media companies, political offices and the police. Scandals – such as the post-government employment of Geoff Hoon and the 2006 cash for peerage controversy – continue to undermine public trust in government and democracy.

There must be a zero-tolerance approach to corruption in all circumstances. Most importantly, the government needs to take the problem more seriously. There should be no place in the UK for a culture in which powerful people or organisations involved in corruption do not face the consequences of their actions.

Ironically, the government has appointed an "overseas anti-corruption champion". But who oversees the fight against corruption within the UK? Nobody.

Even worse, some of the oversight structures that safeguard against corruption, such as the Audit Commission, are being hastily dismantled with no real thought as to the consequences.

Unless it is rooted out swiftly, corruption will increasingly threaten key pillars of the UK's society and democracy. What we need is strong, clear and coordinated leadership from the government and parliament. Complacency is no longer an option.

[eliniaguilefp7m]

May I ask, what this tsunami you predict might be? I am curious, as a non-Pakistani.

[OWV9LSxH]

Those people who are thinking Pakistan as an inferior land should have shame. If you live in Saudi Arabia, then it is right that you are living in the blessed land. But if you are living in a Kuffar land or a "muslim" labelled secular state, then don't say anything negative about Pakistan. It is obviously a better state than any other "muslim" labelled countries.

[Spongebob]

May I ask, what this tsunami you predict might be? I am curious, as a non-Pakistani.

A new political force of youth in Pakistan. Lead by ex-cricketer , Imran Khan , Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaaf (political party) claims that it will prove a tsunami for the secular status quo of Pakistan. Imran Khan is a moderate Muslim who gets its inspiration from Turkish leader , Tayib Erdogan. He wants to make Pakistan a moderate , progressive Muslim country just like Turkey or Malaysia etc. Imran Khan has conducted public rallies of record magnitude,with hundreds of thousands people participating in them.

Here is one clip of him talking to audience in the West and talking about 9/11 , Islam , Western media etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Mma...A809A40477F4BB

May Allah make him successful,Inshallah!

All Pakistanis , you guys SHOULD vote for PTI. He is the 'best available' option for Pakistan right now.

[Trotoleterm]

people like imran khan as a person but don't give their votes to him. The problem with Pakistan is that the whole system is corrupt. You can't do anything without being corrupt. From the top to the bottom everybody is involved in dishonesty. My friend who lives in the city of karachi has been robbed a few times of his mobile phone, kidnapped once at gunpoint, he wears the cheapest slippers to the masjid otherwise anything half expensive is stolen. He has to give the exact money to the person at the petrol station otherwise the guy tells him there is no change....He told me his brother came back from america and went to a shop and was given some old currency which had been out of use for a long time...many such examples.

[XIMHOTEP-X]

people like imran khan as a person but don't give their votes to him. The problem with Pakistan is that the whole system is corrupt. You can't do anything without being corrupt. From the top to the bottom everybody is involved in dishonesty. My friend who lives in the city of karachi has been robbed a few times of his mobile phone, kidnapped once at gunpoint, he wears the cheapest slippers to the masjid otherwise anything half expensive is stolen. He has to give the exact money to the person at the petrol station otherwise the guy tells him there is no change....He told me his brother came back from america and went to a shop and was given some old currency which had been out of use for a long time...many such examples.

The dishonesty starts with the name of the country itself !!! Why is it called Pak ( Pure ) istan (Land ) ?
Such a name promotes a fantasy or utopia .

[P1international]

people like imran khan as a person but don't give their votes to him. The problem with Pakistan is that the whole system is corrupt. You can't do anything without being corrupt. From the top to the bottom everybody is involved in dishonesty. My friend who lives in the city of karachi has been robbed a few times of his mobile phone, kidnapped once at gunpoint, he wears the cheapest slippers to the masjid otherwise anything half expensive is stolen. He has to give the exact money to the person at the petrol station otherwise the guy tells him there is no change....He told me his brother came back from america and went to a shop and was given some old currency which had been out of use for a long time...many such examples.

Brother, I m not defending Pakistan or the subcontinent in anyway. It has its own share of corruption and dishonesty. But don't you think its present everywhere.? You live in the UK, you must be knowing how crazy the riots were last Ramadan. Rest of Europe or the U.S. has also such social problems of fraud, robbery etc etc.

But,
Yes, A Muslim country with majority of Muslims living in it is more blameworthy when such things happen. Because we have Islam and we still engage in such filthy activities. In that way I agree Pakistan or other Muslim countries are more blameworthy. But to claim that such atrocities exists 'only' in muslim countries might not be exactly true. Certainly our condition is despicable. May Allah protect us. Ameen.

[Trotoleterm]

The name is not important. The land is Pak (Pure) in the sense of it's inhabitants being a Muslim majority with their kalima being Laillahaillah. I however do not consider Bangladesh nor India to be models in anyway. The treatment of biharis and the Burmese refugees in Bangladesh is atrocious. India also has very limited opportunities for Muslims and is a non-muslim majority state full of kufr and shirk...

[anatmob]

It makes a person very heartsore when they first hand witness corruption.

In my recent trip to Pakistan, when we were coming back, there were some complications in the tickets. There was one fellow who helped us from the gates outside until all the problem was sorted. I was really impressed that someone would help another person so much.

Unfortunately the ideal moment finished after reaching the waiting terminal where this same person came and demanded for 1000 rupees. I never felt so disappointed or disgusted in my life. It's as if there is no such thing as helping another person for the sake of Allah.

[Trotoleterm]

brother amr jazakallah khairan for your response. You are right in many ways my dear brother. You see I say neither the West, nor the muslim world currently is in a good state. I would agree with the points you have mentioned. The only problem I have is that in many Muslim countries it is actually harder to practice islam than in kuffar countries. Take the example of the beard. In many muslim countries a person cannot grow a beard whilst in some kuffar countries like UK it is not a problem. The same is true of many other things. In many muslim countries the government bans all islamic activities except salah in the masjid. The only islam kids are taught is at school. Everything else is banned. What I'm saying is that many times it is easier to practice one's deen in kuffar countries than in Muslim countries. With regards to Pakistan then there are many pious muslims living there as well.

[Trotoleterm]

sister sudoko this is the typical kind of thing in the Muslim world. I was once in Saudi Arabia so a person comes and tells me that he will help with the luggage. I told him that I don't need his help but he still continues. Anyway after he helps me he asks for money and I told him that I told you not to help me and also I have no riyals as I spent all of them. Guess what our cheeky brother then says.....give me pounds....

[P1international]

The only problem I have is that in many Muslim countries it is actually harder to practice islam than in kuffar countries.

I have heard this from many people living abroad. Its really a sad thing to hear. I realized this only during the rebellion in Egypt, Libya, Syria etc. Sometimes I think even the tyrant Muslim kings of the past were better than the 'secular' leaders of Today. the Khilafat will return. May Allah make it easy for us. ameen.

[priordine]

Brother, I m not defending Pakistan or the subcontinent in anyway. It has its own share of corruption and dishonesty. But don't you think its present everywhere.? You live in the UK, you must be knowing how crazy the riots were last Ramadan. Rest of Europe or the U.S. has also such social problems of fraud, robbery etc etc.

But,
Yes, A Muslim country with majority of Muslims living in it is more blameworthy when such things happen. Because we have Islam and we still engage in such filthy activities. In that way I agree Pakistan or other Muslim countries are more blameworthy. But to claim that such atrocities exists 'only' in muslim countries might not be exactly true. Certainly our condition is despicable. May Allah protect us. Ameen.

Bro, the riots here last year where nothing compared to what happens in other countries. The media likes to make a big deal of it but a couple of buses burning, some kids robbing shoes and plasma screen tv's and a few people being mugged is in no way comparable to the daily crime that occurs in places like Pakistan. If you compare the week of riots here in the UK to the type of thing that goes on in Lahore in only one day, it puts things into perspective

[P1international]

Bro, the riots here last year where nothing compared to what happens in other countries. The media likes to make a big deal of it but a couple of buses burning, some kids robbing shoes and plasma screen tv's and a few people being mugged is in no way comparable to the daily crime that occurs in places like Pakistan. If you compare the week of riots here in the UK to the type of thing that goes on in Lahore in only one day, it puts things into perspective

Hmmm.... I am from South India. I have never been to Pakistan. I m starting to feel after hearing everyone's stories that Pakistan is really in a worse condition than I imagined.

I do read about the bomb blasts back there. Sigh... its really sad. things will get better.

[priordine]

Hmmm.... I am from South India. I have never been to Pakistan. I m starting to feel after hearing everyone's stories that Pakistan is really in a worse condition than I imagined.

I do read about the bomb blasts back there. Sigh... its really sad. things will get better.

Continue making dua for the Ummah bro. Trust me, the things I've seen there with my own eyes, and heard from very reliable sources, I wouldn't even be able to put on this forum for reasons of modesty. And I didn't even seek these things out, which is the worst thing; it is too common. Wallahi, from what I have seen, the depravity of that country is worse than the depravity of this country (the UK) other than one thing; the majority of Pakistan have imaan in their hearts while the majority here do not and disbelief is the worst of all depravities.