[Indian Butt Magic]

Unless you have some special information the ulema don't, then stay silent.

Wahshi ibn harb killed hamzah after which his body was mutilated and his liver eaten, wahshi was forgiven and became a great sahabi.

[CULTDIAMONDS]

Akhi, people are having problems with their 'aqeedah and we're here dicussing about a man whom there's not much information on and knowing him won't help us on the day of judgement, wallaahu 'alam. How is our 'aqeedah? That is what will matter.

Very good point

[CializCialiscsqw]

Cry me a river :'(

[KneefeZes]

Before you start finding faults with others, have you done any research on what occurred in Kerbala? Is the ahlus-sunna a barelwi site? If you are a Barelwi brother, then please keep in mind that you are on a deobandi/ahlul-sunnah wal-Jamaat forum, you probably will not get an answer to your liking.

i dont know if its barelwi site or not . . . i aint barelwi either . . .

what i mean is , in ahlus-sunnah site , it shows clearly , that yazid was drinker , responsible for killing of Imam Hussain (R.A) while in askimam it isnt praising yazeed but there are some hadiths which try to show his good character . . . but there isnt mention of any bad character of yazeed . . . ahlus-sunnah site has given also proofs of their refrences with scanned pages , so they are authentic . . . why not call him major faasiq and faajir ?? rather than remain silent . . . do you know because of this remaining silent , many of my friends are thinking that he was sahaba and add ( razi allhu anhu ) after him . . . if people dont show him to be faasiq , then how will people know whether he was wrong or not ?

[adultcheee]

If we praise Yazid and it was incorrect to do so Allah will ask us about it on Qiyamah and we will be accountable for it. If we condemn and curse Yazid and it was incorrect to do so Allah will ask us about it on Qiyamah and we will be accountable for it. If we remain silent about Yazid, Allah will not ask us about Yazid.

On Askimam his good qualities are shown but his bad qualities are not shown . . .

1. The things Yazid were commonly accused of are mentioned in the fatwa as well as the alleged weakness of these accusations.
2.

i dont know if its barelwi site or not . . . i aint barelwi either . . .

what i mean is , in ahlus-sunnah site , it shows clearly , that yazid was drinker , responsible for killing of Imam Hussain (R.A) while in askimam it isnt praising yazeed but there are some hadiths which try to show his good character . . . but there isnt mention of any bad character of yazeed . . .

There are many conflicting narrations regarding Yazeed. Some narrations describe him as being addicted to dancing, wine and music. (Al Bidaya wan nihayyah 11/659 Marqazul buhooth wad diraasaat) He was also accused of legalizing adultery. Some regard him responsible for the martyrdom of Hazrat Husain (R.A). Based on these narrations, some Ulama regarded it permissible to curse him and even passed the verdict of kufr on him.

[KneefeZes]

If we praise Yazid and it was incorrect to do so Allah will ask us about it on Qiyamah and we will be accountable for it. If we condemn and curse Yazid and it was incorrect to do so Allah will ask us about it on Qiyamah and we will be accountable for it. If we remain silent about Yazid, Allah will not ask us about Yazid.

1. The things Yazid were commonly accused of are mentioned in the fatwa as well as the alleged weakness of these accusations.
2.

ok i will ask just this last question from you after that i wont reply coz i have already made my point

since Imam hussain (R.A) is leader of paradise . . would you want to be risen among him (R.A) or Yazeed ?? your remaining silent on matter of yazeed is the result many people , laymens have started to add R.A after him :@

[KneefeZes]

Also Read Tahir Qadri's Book on Karballa . . . its 100% authentic . . . and it will show you what character yazeed had

[CULTDIAMONDS]

i dont know if its barelwi site or not . . . i aint barelwi either . . .

what i mean is , in ahlus-sunnah site , it shows clearly , that yazid was drinker , responsible for killing of Imam Hussain (R.A) while in askimam it isnt praising yazeed but there are some hadiths which try to show his good character . . . but there isnt mention of any bad character of yazeed . . . ahlus-sunnah site has given also proofs of their refrences with scanned pages , so they are authentic . . . why not call him major faasiq and faajir ?? rather than remain silent . . . do you know because of this remaining silent , many of my friends are thinking that he was sahaba and add ( razi allhu anhu ) after him . . . if people dont show him to be faasiq , then how will people know whether he was wrong or not ?

Why does it matter? It's hard for me to see this a really relevant when in my world I see Muslims selling drugs, going to clubs,and doing everything else that will anger Allah ta'Ala. The Ulema deemed that the reports given about Yazid are weak so we remain silent because we cannot say with 100 percent surety that he was this evil man that people say you have to make takfir on just to be part of "Ahlus Sunnah"

[CializCialiscsqw]

This means that Muhammad bin al-Hanafiyah (ra) is a Kaffir?

[KneefeZes]

This means that Muhammad bin al-Hanafiyah (ra) is a Kaffir?

i didnt get ya ?? why is that so ???

[Trientoriciom]

i dont know if its barelwi site or not . . . i aint barelwi either . . .

what i mean is , in ahlus-sunnah site , it shows clearly , that yazid was drinker , responsible for killing of Imam Hussain (R.A) while in askimam it isnt praising yazeed but there are some hadiths which try to show his good character . . . but there isnt mention of any bad character of yazeed . . . ahlus-sunnah site has given also proofs of their refrences with scanned pages , so they are authentic . . . why not call him major faasiq and faajir ?? rather than remain silent . . . do you know because of this remaining silent , many of my friends are thinking that he was sahaba and add ( razi allhu anhu ) after him . . . if people dont show him to be faasiq , then how will people know whether he was wrong or not ?

Bro, why do you care about Yazeed so much?, he will be in his own grave answering his deed, and we will be in ours, answering our deeds. All this Laan-Taan makes no sense, let shias do that.

[adultcheee]

ok i will ask just this last question from you after that i wont reply coz i have already made my point

since Imam hussain (R.A) is leader of paradise . . would you want to be risen among him (R.A) or Yazeed ?? your remaining silent on matter of yazeed is the result many people , laymens have started to add R.A after him :@

I wear an Imamah normally, it is my habit to do so. If people who are ignorant begin to think that it is fard to wear an Imamah or that I think it is fard to wear an Imamah merely because I make a habit of wearing it, am I responsible for that?

Likewise, if someone thinks that "it is better to remain silent about Yazid" means "You should praise Yazid", the fault is upon that person for misunderstanding the original statement.

[CializCialiscsqw]

i didnt get ya ?? why is that so ???

This Hadith is SAHIH from what I recall.

Hafidh Ibn Katheer has related in Al Bedayah wan nehayah (11/653) that Muhammad bin Mutee and his companions came to Muhammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib (famously known as Ibnul Hanifiyyah) and desired that he removes Yazeed (from the post of a leader). Ibnul Hanafiyyah blatantly refused. Ibnul Mutee remarked: “Verily Yazeed consumes wine, omits prayers and trespasses the laws of the Quran.” Ibnul Hanafiyyah responded: “I never found him to be how you mention. Instead I stayed by him and found him PUNCTUAL ON PRAYERS, PURSUING GOOD, ASKING MATTERS OF DEEN AND STEADFAST ON THE SUNNAH.”

[KneefeZes]

This Hadith is SAHIH from what I recall.

Hafidh Ibn Katheer has related in Al Bedayah wan nehayah (11/653) that Muhammad bin Mutee and his companions came to Muhammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib (famously known as Ibnul Hanifiyyah) and desired that he removes Yazeed (from the post of a leader). Ibnul Hanafiyyah blatantly refused. Ibnul Mutee remarked: “Verily Yazeed consumes wine, omits prayers and trespasses the laws of the Quran.” Ibnul Hanafiyyah responded: “I never found him to be how you mention. Instead I stayed by him and found him PUNCTUAL ON PRAYERS, PURSUING GOOD, ASKING MATTERS OF DEEN AND STEADFAST ON THE SUNNAH.”

keep praising him

[KneefeZes]

Subhan'ALLAH here is an answer to those who say we dont praise Yazeed , check this fatwa :@ brothers , it isnt about whose sect is right or which sect is wrong . . . its about WHATS actually right and whats wrong

check this fatwa

http://darulifta-deoband.org/showuse...all=en&id=6134

[InvertPrete]

So, brother, you're going to let your emotions be the judge? You listened to some emotional lectures about Yazeed and read some emotional articles and they hold more weight than SAHEEH HADEETH? It is similar to how a lot of Shi'as come to hate, for example, Abu Bakr whenever they hear the issue of Fadak and its inheritance. Or Umar when they hear narrations where he broke the ribs of Fatima and caused a spontaneous abortion. The latter is based on lies, but the Shi'a accept it. You're saying that it doesn't matter what sect is right or wrong and that "its about WHATS actually right and whats wrong", but then you go on to deny all proofs based on authentic narrations about Yazeed and call these authentic narrations as praise. Yet you prefer weak or fabricated narrations as evidence enough to curse Yazeed. You also are trying to make it seem like if someone praises Yazeed, that person hates Hussain , which is a preposterous thing to do. According to you, many Sahaba as well as many members of the Ahlul Bayt hate Hussain because not only did they follow Yazeed, they also praised him. So, answer this question: is it okay for the sahaba and the Ahlul Bayt to praise Yazeed? Or are you and your Tahir ul Qadri going to say that these people hated Hussain ?

Also, you're twisting the fatwa. There is nothing wrong with writing if you believe Yazeed to be innocent. If you don't, then don't. There isn't anything wrong with it because to make something halaal into something haraam is a haraam act itself.

[CializCialiscsqw]

keep praising him

سلام

Where did I praise him?

[anatmob]

If a fact is mentioned about a person, how is that praising or insulting?

If I say Hajjaj bin Yusuf was known to pray tahajjud every night, am I praising him?

You are becoming upset at people for relaying a quote from a book of Hafiz Ibn Katheer. If there is anyone to be upset with, it's not br Tripoly, askimam, or even Hafiz Ibn Katheer . Be upset with Ibnul Hanafiyyah.

Muslims are those of truth. We do not hide history and show that which we like or conforms best to our views.

[Argurnenoni]

Subhan'ALLAH here is an answer to those who say we dont praise Yazeed , check this fatwa :@ brothers , it isnt about whose sect is right or which sect is wrong . . . its about WHATS actually right and whats wrong

check this fatwa

http://darulifta-deoband.org/showuse...all=en&id=6134

Nothing is wrong with the fatwa. 'Umar ibn 'Abdil 'Aziz used to say rahmatullahi alayhi after the name of Yazid ibn Mua'wiya.
And the Sahabi is Yazid ibn Abu Sufyan.

[Crundaangerge]

How can anyone having faith in allah and the last day possibly defend and love yazid???? i beleive imam ibn hanbal said something similar along those lines when asked about yazeed. We can't remain silent and stay on the sidlines when it comes to yazeed. there is so much evidence that yazeed has the blood of imam hussain (ra) on his hands and also what he did to the people of medina. i feel sick when i see SOME people here and elsewhere trying to defend the cursed yazeed and his actions. Someone told me that this is the reason why the ummah is suffering so much, because a great injustice has been done to imam hussain (ra) and to the people of medina, and yet we have ignored it and thats why we are suffering.