[neerewed]

Bismihee Ta'aala

Asalamualaikum.

Any student of fiqh who looks at another school and sees only weakness has probably misunderstood both his school and theirs


Quoted from: Shaykh Musa Furber

[tsamprasxx]

1) I didn't say anything about going against the Quran and Sunnah... Going against the grain isn't going against the Quran and Sunnah...
2) It is a personal opinion... I think the Maliki madhab is more reasonable... you might think that of the Hanafi madhab, or whatever.... It is a personal opinion... The Maliki madhab agrees with my fitra.. Am I following my hawaa cause I think Maliki madhab makes more sense???? If it doesn't make sense, than it's not following one's hawaa...

I am sorry if I think it makes more sense that a convert should be able make dua to his Lord in other than arabic while in sujud... In the Shafi madhab making dua in other than arabic invalidates your prayer... although it does not invalidate your prayer in the Hanafi madhab, it is forbidden to do so... The Maliki madhabs makes more sense, it seems more reasonable... Am I following my hawaa because I think that???? I don't speak arabic.... I am like why would Allah punish me for wanting to speak to Him in my language....

So, you're basically saying that you're following the Maliki madhhab not because of the evidence found in the madhhab, but because for what it allows? I think that is following one's desires. If you had a reason that was more "reasonable" such as the fact that the Maliki madhhab is based on the a'maal of Madinah and that since Rasoolullah last lived amongst the Madinians, it appears to be the closest to his sunnah - okay, that's an honourable and reasonable excuse. But, you prefer the Maliki madhhab because you can do an optional act in your own language? You do realize that none of the madhahib place restrictions on the language of the du'a outside of salah.

A person can just as easily say that the Maliki madhhab sounds most reasonable to them because dogs are permitted to be kept as pets and dog saliva is not considered impure and doing so would make life easier for someone who is already a dog owner and has a very close attachment to his pet. A person can just as easily say that the Shafi'i madhhab sounds most reasonable because it does not make a big deal about shaving the beard and that doing so makes life easier if you're living in the West.

[Aizutox]

So, you're basically saying that you're following the Maliki madhhab not because of the evidence found in the madhhab, but because for what it allows? I think that is following one's desires. If you had a reason that was more "reasonable" such as the fact that the Maliki madhhab is based on the a'maal of Madinah and that since Rasoolullah last lived amongst the Madinians, it appears to be the closest to his sunnah - okay, that's an honourable and reasonable excuse. But, you prefer the Maliki madhhab because you can do an optional act in your own language? You do realize that none of the madhahib place restrictions on the language of the du'a outside of salah.

A person can just as easily say that the Maliki madhhab sounds most reasonable to them because dogs are permitted to be kept as pets and dog saliva is not considered impure and doing so would make life easier for someone who is already a dog owner and has a very close attachment to his pet. A person can just as easily say that the Shafi'i madhhab sounds most reasonable because it does not make a big deal about shaving the beard and that doing so makes life easier if you're living in the West.

The subject of this thread is which is the easiest madhab... Not why I prefer the Maliki madhab over another.... Your premise is wrong....

[Thomaswhitee]

The subject of this thread is which is the easiest madhab... Not why I prefer the Maliki madhab over another.... Your premise is wrong....

How is his premise wrong? If anything, he's using your premise to demonstrate the incoherency of your argument. Honest question - are you a native English speaker?

Your're following the Maliki madh-hab because, in your own words, "I am like why would Allah punish me for wanting to speak to Him in my language.... "!

Allah is able to do all things - that's a fact. We are servants; we have no choice but to obey. Allah does not have needs nor motives in commanding or prohibiting anything. Again, that's a fundamental principle of 'aqidah. The only way a madh-hab would be more reasonable than another would be based on its principles in deriving rulings as well as, perhaps, its stage of development. Whatever you think Allah would/should do is utterly irrelevant, to put it in the politest of terms.

If Allah willed, he could kill us all. Dhulm is relative.

Another honest question - are you ash'ari?

[Thomaswhitee]

Another thing... What exactly is the fitrah, in your estimation? Are there any objective criteria with which you can judge whether something is part of your fitrah, unadulterated by hawa? How do you know your fitrah is totally saleemah, such that you can judge whether an entire madh-hab is in line with it?

My advice (not that it counts for much): contemplate on this.

RE: fitrah, kashf, dreams etc and their respective epistemological values, Shaykh Sa'id Fawdah raises some interesting points here.

was-salam

[Aizutox]

How is his premise wrong? If anything, he's using your premise to demonstrate the incoherency of your argument. Honest question - are you a native English speaker?

Your're following the Maliki madh-hab because, in your own words, "I am like why would Allah punish me for wanting to speak to Him in my language.... "!

Allah is able to do all things - that's a fact. We are servants; we have no choice but to obey. Allah does not have needs nor motives in commanding or prohibiting anything. Again, that's a fundamental principle of 'aqidah. The only way a madh-hab would be more reasonable than another would be based on its principles in deriving rulings as well as, perhaps, its stage of development. Whatever you think Allah would/should do is utterly irrelevant, to put it in the politest of terms.

If Allah willed, he could kill us all. Dhulm is relative.

Another honest question - are you ash'ari?

1) I am not going to sit up here and argue with you about why I choose to follow the Maliki madhab... How can you convince me, that I choose to follow the Maliki madhab based on what abdulwahhab thinks about me, based on what I said???? His explanation of my statement is correct, but my explanation of my statement is incorrect... That is insane....

I know why I choose to follow the Maliki madhab...

2) There is no Quranic verse or hadith that I am aware of which states that Allah will punish me because I prayed to Him in my language while in sujud....

Yes it is logically possible that He could punish me.... (The Ashari position) But for me, it is inconceivable that He would punish me because I spoke to Him in my language... If there aren't any direct text indicating others wise... then I am free to believe that.... Yes it is true that Allah doesn't have to follow me or what I believe...

There are some rulings in Islam that I question... And it is not because Allah and His Messenger said it, it is because some scholar said it.... And the scholars are not protected from error... And I have a right as a believer to question anything that the scholars put forth... Allah has given us that right... And if you want me to present proofs for that I will...

I question the concept of ijma.... There isn't an ijma on the meaning of ijma... But I am obligated to follow it... (red flags go up for me regarding that)

And Allah knows best.