[gastabegree]

Sorry! My comment was directed at Saqqib_Ali Post No 12

I was actually referring to Saqqib _Ali when I said that.

If Ulema don't speak against such troublemakers, then chances are that their silence might be taken as a tacit approval to their activities.

I think, Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi did criticize his planned rally recently.

I concur with what you've said, the Ulema need to speak up or actually against people like chaudhary.
But having said that, didn't know that the Shahi Imam criticized his visit...come on, isn't it ironic, for most of us he lost legitimacy the day he supported the BJP in the 2004 lok sabha elections, just imagine, just 1 & a half years after the gujarat riots but at-least whatever he is doing here, he is on the right side.

[gastabegree]

please add tags to the thread, his name is also spelled as anjem, anjum, chaudhary, chaudhri, chaudhari

[AutocadOemM]

Can anyone spot the difference between the current Khilafat Movements and the Original Khilafat Movement of Maulana Shaukat Ali later joined by Shaikh Mahmud ul Hasan ?

[gastabegree]

Can anyone spot the difference between the current Khilafat Movements and the Original Khilafat Movement of Shaikh Mahmud ul Hasan ?

Relentless sacrifice? I'm waiting to hear.

[CtEkM8Vq]

i don't really get what they think they are achieving...aside from riling up the non-muslims

all the orgs so far that keep calling for shariah...they keep saying we need shariah...we need shariah
they want shariah in the non-muslim lands where they are a minority
but apart from keep shouting it out at the top of their voice...nothing practical is ever done to bring them any closer to implementing shariah

[AutocadOemM]

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ah-%281920%29&

Please read the Fatwa of Shaikhul Hind

[AutocadOemM]

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ah-%281920%29&

Please read the Fatwa of Shaikhul Hind

The Lub of the Fatwa

The enemies of Islam have left no stone unturned to strike against and harm the honour and prestige of Islam. Iraq, Palestine and Syria that were won over by the Prophet’s companions and his followers, after innumerous sacrifices, have once again become the targets of greed of the enemy of Islam. The honour of Khilafat is in tatters. Khalifat-ul-Muslimin (Muslim Caliph), who used to unite the entire community on this planet; who as vice-regent of Allah on this earth used to implement the universal law of Islam; who used to protect the rights and interests of Muslims and who used to preserve and ensure that the glory of the words of the Creator of this universe be preserved and implemented, has been surrounded by the enemies and made redundant.

[AutocadOemM]

The Current Khilafat Movement are calling for the Khilafat. The Original Khilafat Movement was started to save the Khalifah. Even though the rule of the Uthmani Khalifah did not cover the Indian sub-continent. The reality of the Khilafat Movement in India was that the Ulama were aware of the importance of having the Khalifah, even if he were dysfunctional.

Even if the Muslims had a namesake Khalifa, the Khilafat will be saved. The moment the Khalifa was removed as the head of state, the Khilafat collapsed.

[AutocadOemM]

The Current Khilafat Movement are calling for the Khilafat. The Original Khilafat Movement was started to save the Khalifah. Even though the rule of the Uthmani Khalifah did not cover the Indian sub-continent. The reality of the Khilafat Movement in India was that the Ulama were aware of the importance of having the Khalifah, even if he were dysfunctional.

Even if the Muslims had a namesake Khalifa, the Khilafat will be saved. The moment the Khalifa was removed as the head of state, the Khilafat collapsed.

After being released in 1920, he returned to Hindustan. Once speaking at a big gathering of `Ulama, he said, We learnt two lessons from our life in Malta. These words made the whole audience attentive, as they wanted to know what the 80-year-old sage was going to say. In the loneliness of jail in Malta, I pondered over the causes of Muslims ruination both religiously and temporally, I found out two causes: One, forsaking the Quran. Two, internal differences and discords. From the jail, I have come with a resolve that I would spend the rest of my live in promoting the Quran and its meaning.

The Khilafat Movement was started to save the Ummah from falling into internal differences and discord. The differences were there since the earlier times but the Muslims were not divided.

The situation has changed Post Collapse of the Khilafah. Now, the Ummah is so divided it is extremely difficult to unite it under a single Khalifah. Until, the Ummah chooses a Khalifah unanimously, things will grow worser day by day.

Nationalism is a secularist idea.

[AutocadOemM]

After being released in 1920, he returned to Hindustan. Once speaking at a big gathering of `Ulama, he said, We learnt two lessons from our life in Malta. These words made the whole audience attentive, as they wanted to know what the 80-year-old sage was going to say. In the loneliness of jail in Malta, I pondered over the causes of Muslims ruination both religiously and temporally, I found out two causes: One, forsaking the Quran. Two, internal differences and discords. From the jail, I have come with a resolve that I would spend the rest of my live in promoting the Quran and its meaning.

The Khilafat Movement was started to save the Ummah from falling into internal differences and discord. The differences were there since the earlier times but the Muslims were not divided.

The situation has changed Post Collapse of the Khilafah. Now, the Ummah is so divided it is extremely difficult to unite it under a single Khalifah. Until, the Ummah chooses a Khalifah unanimously, things will grow worser day by day.

Nationalism is a secularist idea.

The solution lies in appointing a Khalifah. What was the first thing the Sahabah do after the demise of Rasulullah . They unanimously appointed a Khalifah. This is a collective obligation of the Ummah.

It is the Khalifah who establishes/will establish the Khilafah.

The Sahabah succeeded and we are nothing but losers

[AutocadOemM]

The solution lies in appointing a Khalifah. What was the first thing the Sahabah do after the demise of Rasulullah . They unanimously appointed a Khalifah. This is a collective obligation of the Ummah.

It is the Khalifah who establishes/will establish the Khilafah.

The Sahabah succeeded and we are nothing but losers

Now, evaluate the current Khilafat Movements. They are calling for Khilafat without a Khalifah.

The Ummah' collective responsibility is limited only to appointing a Khalifah. the Ummah is not under the obligation to establish the Khilafat.

The Khalifah is solely responsible to establish Khilafat

[gastabegree]

After being released in 1920, he returned to Hindustan. Once speaking at a big gathering of `Ulama, he said, We learnt two lessons from our life in Malta. These words made the whole audience attentive, as they wanted to know what the 80-year-old sage was going to say. In the loneliness of jail in Malta, I pondered over the causes of Muslims ruination both religiously and temporally, I found out two causes: One, forsaking the Quran. Two, internal differences and discords. From the jail, I have come with a resolve that I would spend the rest of my live in promoting the Quran and its meaning.

The Khilafat Movement was started to save the Ummah from falling into internal differences and discord. The differences were there since the earlier times but the Muslims were not divided.

The situation has changed Post Collapse of the Khilafah. Now, the Ummah is so divided it is extremely difficult to unite it under a single Khalifah. Until, the Ummah chooses a Khalifah unanimously, things will grow worser day by day.

Nationalism is a secularist idea.

No wonder, look at what his student, Hazrath Maulana Ilyasji ra has said:

"Replying to the question raised, viz. "why are Muslims not granted rulership and leadership in the world?" he replied: "when we do not fulfil the commandments of Allah and refrain from the forbidden in our personal lives over which we have full control and there is no obstacle or compulsion, then how is it possible that we be entrusted with the governing of this world. It is only through the decision of Allah that the believers may be granted government on the earth so that they may seek his pleasure and establish his laws in this world. Now, when we are not doing this in the sphere of our own choice (in our individual lives), how can it be
expected, when tomorrow we are given the reins of government, we shall do so?"

- No.10 from his malfuzaat.

[AutocadOemM]

Now, evaluate the current Khilafat Movements. They are calling for Khilafat without a Khalifah.

The Ummah' collective responsibility is limited only to appointing a Khalifah. the Ummah is not under the obligation to establish the Khilafat.

The Khalifah is solely responsible to establish Khilafat

This one of the main reasons why Shaikh ul Islam Hussain Ahmed Madani was against the proposal of Pakistan. The proponents of Pakistan were making this grave error of establishing Khilafat without appointing a Khalifah.

Shaikh ul Islam naudobillah was not against an Islamic State. His main concern was how will khilafat be established without a Khalifah? How?

[gastabegree]

This one of the main reasons why Shaikh ul Islam Hussain Ahmed Madani was against the proposal of Pakistan. The proponents of Pakistan were making this grave error of establishing Khilafat without appointing a Khalifah.

Shaikh ul Islam naudobillah was not against an Islamic State. His main concern was how will khilafat be established without a Khalifah? How?

The rest is history.

[gastabegree]

i don't really get what they think they are achieving...aside from riling up the non-muslims

all the orgs so far that keep calling for shariah...they keep saying we need shariah...we need shariah
they want shariah in the non-muslim lands where they are a minority
but apart from keep shouting it out at the top of their voice...nothing practical is ever done to bring them any closer to implementing shariah

Why anjum chaudhary does not use his energy and resources in Muslim countries esp. pakistan (south asian origin) is a mystery, India is home to 85% non muslims, come on, this guy is really upto something, he really does seem to be an agent of the west, he may some real chances of making a point in pak & bangla rather than anywhere else.

[Evsltkzl]

How did Mamluk Egypt restore the Abbasid Caliphate (albeit a figurehead only) after the Mongols destroyed Baghdad?

(It was called the "shadow Caliphate" or the Caliphate of Cairo, Caliph was a figurehead only. The Sultan, who was a Mamluk slave, held all the power. Weird political structure!)

If we want to copy this, we find a willing Ottoman Prince, set him up as figurehead in a suitable country... I think the Ottoman Family would politely decline though...

[23tommy]

i don't really get what they think they are achieving...aside from riling up the non-muslims

all the orgs so far that keep calling for shariah...they keep saying we need shariah...we need shariah
they want shariah in the non-muslim lands where they are a minority
but apart from keep shouting it out at the top of their voice...nothing practical is ever done to bring them any closer to implementing shariah

Well, as Br. Maripat said: "They'll come, they'll see and they'll go back without conquering anything".

And at the end, only winner in this entire fiasco would be the right-wing fanatics in India since only the fringes on the opposite ends know and understand how to draw advantage from one another.

[CtEkM8Vq]

Why anjum chaudhary does not use his energy and resources in Muslim countries esp. pakistan (south asian origin) is a mystery, India is home to 85% non muslims, come on, this guy is really upto something, he really does seem to be an agent of the west, he may some real chances of making a point in pak & bangla rather than anywhere else.

they do it here in London too, apart from cause more problems for Muslims they have not achieved anything....you would think that they would migrate to a country whose laws were at least somewhat closer to shariah rather than call for it in a non-muslim country

[Evsltkzl]

How did Mamluk Egypt restore the Abbasid Caliphate (albeit a figurehead only) after the Mongols destroyed Baghdad?

(It was called the "shadow Caliphate" or the Caliphate of Cairo, Caliph was a figurehead only. The Sultan, who was a Mamluk slave, held all the power. Weird political structure!)

If we want to copy this, we find a willing Ottoman Prince, set him up as figurehead in a suitable country... I think the Ottoman Family would politely decline though...

[exeftWabreava]

i aint no supporter of his but its far fetched calling him a munaafiq. despite him applying NO hikmah whatsoever, i csnt see what he is saying which is so bad that he deserves to be called a hypocrite. can somebody point it out?

these people pour fuel on top of fire without thinking and applying hikmah but you cant call somebody a munaafiq for not using hikmah.

I agree with you.

I'm kinda amazed by the harsh reaction of some, to the point of seeming to defend the "secular democratic India" and of being afraid of scaring the Hindu kuffar. Yes, indeed the way in which this guy behaves himself is contrary to hikmah and so on, but shouldn't we clearly state that indeed the objective (whetever near or far, achievable now or later on) of implementing Shari'ah in itself is indeed a noble one and a necessary one, and that Islam is enemy to secularism and democracy?

Criticize the method, not the substance, albeit badly expressed...