[beepbeet]

Hi,

I want to know if the massacre of Banu Qurayza really took place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

[geniusxs81]

the real question is why do you care so much about the jews?

[KahiroSamo]

Maybe he cares because they are lovely honest people.

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.c...killed-by.html
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archi...banu-qurayzah/

[Honealals]

the real question is why do you care so much about the jews?

brother,

what garet122 asked is a valid question. Surely the Prophet wouldn't just kill people without valid reasons. And not answering question properly will result in misunderstanding.

Hi,

I want to know if the massacre of Banu Qurayza really took place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

You can't just rely on wikipedia to make a generalization about the event. Most of the sites/internet didn't detail the event accurately. Many of them, especially islamophobic sites would omit the details of what happened. Some of them would just dismiss the details as just merely the Islamic version to protect and justify the punishment meted out against Banu Qurayzah. But if that's the case, then why don't these skeptics come up with "their version" of the event supported by historical documentations?

Basically the detail of the event is as the following;

- There was an agreement between the Muslims in Medina with other non-Muslim tribes in the area that is known as The Medina Charter. Please google about this agreement. It is a very famous declaration and is touted as the first human rights declaration known in human history.

- According to the agreement, anyone who attacks the Muslim ally would be like attacking the Muslim themselves, so the Muslims must take arms to protect their allies. And vice versa.

- However, during the third war (khandaq war), Banu Qurayzah conspired with the Quraish to attack the Muslims from behind the lines. The plan was leaked to the Prophet who was the commander in chief. Then a companion whose conversion was not known to the Quraish at the time then started the rumours that the Quraish would abandon Banu Qurayzah and vice versa to split any agreement between the two parties.

Quote:
"When the Banu Nadir had been banished, their leading chiefs, Huyayy Ibn Akhtab, Abu Rafi and Sallam Ibn Abi Al-Huquaiq had migrated to Khaibar and got recognised as leading chiefs. The battle of the Trenches was but the results of their machinations. They travelled far and near agitating the tribes till the whole country rose up in arms and attacked Medina in alliance with the Quraish. The Jews of the Banu Quraiza had a mind to stick to the treaty, but Huyayy Ibn Akhtab won them over with his guiles, promising to re-establish himself at Medina in case the Quraish abandoned the attack; and this promise he fulfilled."
link: http://www.answering-christianity.co...aiza_stuff.htm

- After the Quraish siege was over, then the Muslim army laid siege on Banu Qurayzah. Banu Qurayzah then agreed to surrender under the condition that they can choose their own candidate to judge the matter instead of be judged by the Prophet . The man chosen to judge the Bani Qurayzah was Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, leader of the Aws, a tribe which had always protected Bani Qurayzah in the past.

- During the trial, they admitted that they agreed to a proposal by the Quraish after they were influenced by their leaders to setup an ambush on the Muslims from behind, and for that the judge who was also proficient with the talmudic laws, judged them according to what was prescribed in Talmud, which is;

“When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself.” (Deuteronomy 20:12)

In essence, it wasn't the Muslims who betrayed and committed genocide on Banu Qurayzah, but Bany Qurayzah betrayed the agreement with the Muslims, and they were punished according to their own Talmudic law.

Hypothetical question:
"But couldn't the Prophet intervene and forgive them?"
answer:
1. The law of the land at the time for Banu Qurayzah was Talmudic laws. So to the Banu Qurayza tribe, since they didn't recognize the Prophet as a prophet, they would see their Talmudic laws as the only legitimate laws that they must follow. And since the betrayal was judged according to the Talmudic laws, then from law technicality point of view, that makes the most sense to ensure the legitimacy of the punishment. Also, we also must remember that martial law is different from civil law.

2. The betrayal wasn't directed towards the Prophet per se, but towards the Muslim ummah in Medina at the time. In case of forgiving, the Prophet did forgive several acts directed towards him by other perpetrators in many other cases in Medina. Even if he did forgive Banu Qurayza, that still won't wash the crime away towards the other Muslims during the war. Plus, this was not the first time that a jew tribe betrayed the Muslim community in Medina.

[pesty4077]

I think The holy Prophet was very hard about the jews.And Qur'an refers it.
Islam and Dajjal

[mralabama]

- There was an agreement between the Muslims in Medina with other non-Muslim tribes in the area that is known as The Medina Charter. Please google about this agreement. It is a very famous declaration and is touted as the first human rights declaration known in human history.

Code of Hammurabi?

[Honealals]

Code of Hammurabi?

Hamurabi code is the oldest written civil law found, which is different from the Medina Charter which guarantees the rights of the Medina citizen.

Allah Knows Best.

[Ervins Dervish]

the real question is why do you care so much about the jews?

Jews are first and foremost human beings... As Muslims we should care about all human beings... The Prophet Muhammad (Sallahu alayhi was salam) was sent as a Mercy to the world... And Jews were in the world when he (saw) came... Many Companions were Jewish...

Just as it is wrong for people to class all Muslims as terrorist, it is wrong to class all Jews as Zionist and biggots...

The sad thing about the Muslim world as a whole, is we lack love for all people, which is the essence of mercy... Without love.... it will be impossible to uphold the sunnah of being a mercy to the world...

We want Allah to forgive Us, but we don't forgive others... We want Allah to show Mercy toward us but we don't show mercy to others...

I look at the Muslims today... I can honestly say, I am quite ashamed to say I am Muslim...

[ttiokjbnhjjillp]

Hi,

I want to know if the massacre of Banu Qurayza really took place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

I have wondered about this as well.

[ttiokjbnhjjillp]

Jews are first and foremost human beings... As Muslims we should care about all human beings... The Prophet Muhammad (Sallahu alayhi was salam) was sent as a Mercy to the world... And Jews were in the world when he (saw) came... Many Companions were Jewish...

Just as it is wrong for people to class all Muslims as terrorist, it is wrong to class all Jews as Zionist and biggots...

The sad thing about the Muslim world as a whole, is we lack love for all people, which is the essence of mercy... Without love.... it will be impossible to uphold the sunnah of being a mercy to the world...

We want Allah to forgive Us, but we don't forgive others... We want Allah to show Mercy toward us but we don't show mercy to others...

I look at the Muslims today... I can honestly say, I am quite ashamed to say I am Muslim...

I understand exactly what you are saying.

[geniusxs81]

My point is that, does the OP go to jewish forums and ask questions as to why they are killing the palestinians? I doubt it.

This is a leading question and people know very well these Jews were massacred and the prophet (pbuh) had no choice but to do this to those traitors.

[L8fGLM4d]

brother,

what garet122 asked is a valid question. Surely the Prophet wouldn't just kill people without valid reasons. And not answering question properly will result in misunderstanding.



You can't just rely on wikipedia to make a generalization about the event. Most of the sites/internet didn't detail the event accurately. Many of them, especially islamophobic sites would omit the details of what happened. Some of them would just dismiss the details as just merely the Islamic version to protect and justify the punishment meted out against Banu Qurayzah. But if that's the case, then why don't these skeptics come up with "their version" of the event supported by historical documentations?

Basically the detail of the event is as the following;

- There was an agreement between the Muslims in Medina with other non-Muslim tribes in the area that is known as The Medina Charter. Please google about this agreement. It is a very famous declaration and is touted as the first human rights declaration known in human history.

- According to the agreement, anyone who attacks the Muslim ally would be like attacking the Muslim themselves, so the Muslims must take arms to protect their allies. And vice versa.

- However, during the third war (khandaq war), Banu Qurayzah conspired with the Quraish to attack the Muslims from behind the lines. The plan was leaked to the Prophet who was the commander in chief. Then a companion whose conversion was not known to the Quraish at the time then started the rumours that the Quraish would abandon Banu Qurayzah and vice versa to split any agreement between the two parties.

Quote:
"When the Banu Nadir had been banished, their leading chiefs, Huyayy Ibn Akhtab, Abu Rafi and Sallam Ibn Abi Al-Huquaiq had migrated to Khaibar and got recognised as leading chiefs. The battle of the Trenches was but the results of their machinations. They travelled far and near agitating the tribes till the whole country rose up in arms and attacked Medina in alliance with the Quraish. The Jews of the Banu Quraiza had a mind to stick to the treaty, but Huyayy Ibn Akhtab won them over with his guiles, promising to re-establish himself at Medina in case the Quraish abandoned the attack; and this promise he fulfilled."
link: http://www.answering-christianity.co...aiza_stuff.htm

- After the Quraish siege was over, then the Muslim army laid siege on Banu Qurayzah. Banu Qurayzah then agreed to surrender under the condition that they can choose their own candidate to judge the matter instead of be judged by the Prophet . The man chosen to judge the Bani Qurayzah was Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, leader of the Aws, a tribe which had always protected Bani Qurayzah in the past.

- During the trial, they admitted that they agreed to a proposal by the Quraish after they were influenced by their leaders to setup an ambush on the Muslims from behind, and for that the judge who was also proficient with the talmudic laws, judged them according to what was prescribed in Talmud, which is;

“When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself.” (Deuteronomy 20:12)

In essence, it wasn't the Muslims who betrayed and committed genocide on Banu Qurayzah, but Bany Qurayzah betrayed the agreement with the Muslims, and they were punished according to their own Talmudic law.

Hypothetical question:
"But couldn't the Prophet intervene and forgive them?"
answer:
1. The law of the land at the time for Banu Qurayzah was Talmudic laws. So to the Banu Qurayza tribe, since they didn't recognize the Prophet as a prophet, they would see their Talmudic laws as the only legitimate laws that they must follow. And since the betrayal was judged according to the Talmudic laws, then from law technicality point of view, that makes the most sense to ensure the legitimacy of the punishment. Also, we also must remember that martial law is different from civil law.

2. The betrayal wasn't directed towards the Prophet per se, but towards the Muslim ummah in Medina at the time. In case of forgiving, the Prophet did forgive several acts directed towards him by other perpetrators in many other cases in Medina. Even if he did forgive Banu Qurayza, that still won't wash the crime away towards the other Muslims during the war. Plus, this was not the first time that a jew tribe betrayed the Muslim community in Medina.

bro.
I can't understand why 'Muslims' doubt the actions of our beloved Rasoolullah . He waged Jihad following Allah Ta'ala's command.


P.s. Also one should note the point brother Untoldtruth mentioned. This doesn't mean one should show enemity towards Jews for no reason. Treat them like humans. But one should be careful while dealing with Jews and Christians, so that we do not follow their way of life.

May Allah Ta'ala make us better Muslims. Ameen.

[rolex-buy]

- During the trial, they admitted that they agreed to a proposal by the Quraish after they were influenced by their leaders to setup an ambush on the Muslims from behind, and for that the judge who was also proficient with the talmudic laws, judged them according to what was prescribed in Talmud, which is;

“When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself.” (Deuteronomy 20:12)

In essence, it wasn't the Muslims who betrayed and committed genocide on Banu Qurayzah, but Bany Qurayzah betrayed the agreement with the Muslims, and they were punished according to their own Talmudic law.

Is this part accurate? Any references. Makes it seem as if Muslims had to rely on Jewish laws to decide what to do.

Jazakallah

[rolex-buy]

seems to me OP is just trying to create fitnah..he should read Islamic history and should know the sufferings of muslims in the past history..

Exactly, some people got nothing better to do...

[rolex-buy]

I look at the Muslims today... I can honestly say, I am quite ashamed to say I am Muslim...

Looks like you got too much free time that you spend on scrutinising people's sins. Go check your ownself and see if you are a speck better than those you are bad-mouthing.

If you (and everyone else inc. myself) had invested that very time in analysing and rectifying our own faults, the entire ummah would have been reformed.

Unfortunately, everyone knows everyone else's crimes except their own!

AND THIS IS OUR GREATEST ERROR!

Not sure how long it will take for this to sink into our brains....

[Honealals]

Is this part accurate? Any references. Makes it seem as if Muslims had to rely on Jewish laws to decide what to do.

Jazakallah

you may find the in the reply;
http://www.answering-christianity.co...aiza_stuff.htm

[qCGfQR9T]

Is this part accurate? Any references. Makes it seem as if Muslims had to rely on Jewish laws to decide what to do.

Jazakallah

My impression was that a scholar from the same people was asked to make the judgement on them. He was so disgusted by the betrayal that he handed over the punishment that is due in case of betrayal.

[Honealals]

bro.
I can't understand why 'Muslims' doubt the actions of our beloved Rasoolullah . He waged Jihad following Allah Ta'ala's command.


P.s. Also one should note the point brother Untoldtruth mentioned. This doesn't mean one should show enemity towards Jews for no reason. Treat them like humans. But one should be careful while dealing with Jews and Christians, so that we do not follow their way of life.

May Allah Ta'ala make us better Muslims. Ameen.

brother,

I don't quite understand your question about 'Muslims' who doubt the actions of our Prophet . If you quote garet122 as the 'Muslim' that you highlighted, only Allah and garet122 himself know if he's a Muslim or not. And garet122 did make a statement before like mentioning that there's scientific error in Quran regarding the talking ants of which a few of our brothers here refuted his statement with valid scientific references on that. Nevertheless the question needed to be addressed with some references to the event to answer it completely.

[L8fGLM4d]

brother,

I don't quite understand your question about 'Muslims' who doubt the actions of our Prophet . If you quote garet122 as the 'Muslim' that you highlighted, only Allah and garet122 himself know if he's a Muslim or not. And garet122 did make a statement before like mentioning that there's scientific error in Quran regarding the talking ants of which a few of our brothers here refuted his statement. Nevertheless the question needed to be addressed with some references to the event to answer it completely.

yea I was quoting garet122. I remember that thread. But there are lot of 'muslims' who doubt things in Islam because they are being exposed to western and kufr ideologies and standards. But as you said, about garet122, Allah knows best.

[qCGfQR9T]

Jews are first and foremost human beings... As Muslims we should care about all human beings... The Prophet Muhammad (Sallahu alayhi was salam) was sent as a Mercy to the world... And Jews were in the world when he (saw) came... Many Companions were Jewish...

Just as it is wrong for people to class all Muslims as terrorist, it is wrong to class all Jews as Zionist and biggots...

The sad thing about the Muslim world as a whole, is we lack love for all people, which is the essence of mercy... Without love.... it will be impossible to uphold the sunnah of being a mercy to the world...

We want Allah to forgive Us, but we don't forgive others... We want Allah to show Mercy toward us but we don't show mercy to others...

I look at the Muslims today... I can honestly say, I am quite ashamed to say I am Muslim...

Muslims are passing through a very lean period at this moment. Any criticism, even if justified, is of no use. It will be better to supplicate for them if one is really dissatisfied with them.