[Zenunlild]

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...-religion.html

[cl004]

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...-religion.html

It is great to see the muslim community growing here, particularly in the last 10 years or so. My Aunt is married to a Libyan and when he first came here back in the 80's there was only 1 mosque and 1 halal shop in Dublin. There are now a few mosques and nearly a halal shop in every community.
One of the biggest fears lately is the number of irish women who married muslim men and had children and then completely out of the blue the Husband kidnaps the child, bring it back to their own country and the mother never sees them again. There has been quite a few documentaries lately about that. When I married my Husband, I had to get a letter from my priest stating I was catholic at the time and the first thing he asked me when I told him I was marrying a muslim was did I see a film called Not without my Daughter. I had never seen it but knew what it was about. My first reaction to him was to say, Have you seen the film called Song for a raggy boy(about the sexual abuse of children by priest). His mouth dropped.

[agiopwer]

. My first reaction to him was to say, Have you seen the film called Song for a raggy boy(about the sexual abuse of children by priest). His mouth dropped.

lol, may Allah reward you and guide all of us to His path.

[Borzopayn]

When I married my Husband, I had to get a letter from my priest stating I was catholic at the time and the first thing he asked me when I told him I was marrying a muslim was did I see a film called Not without my Daughter. What we should do is see whether the Catholic religion (and other Christian religions in general) have any definite rules in their own religion (that is, from their own religions, not leaning on laws of nation-states) explicitly saying that the mother may have visitation rights if there is a divorce. My guess would be no, since how can one make rules for something that is not accepted in one's religion (like asking Muslims to make rules on how to eat pork, a totally senseless suggestion).

So in such a case the Muslim would be in a better situation, since there are at least rules on what to do when there is a divorce, while in many Christian religions there is no acceptance of a divorce, and as a consequence no rules as to what happens when it occurs.

[Domovoy]

What we should do is see whether the Catholic religion (and other Christian religions in general) have any definite rules in their own religion (that is, from their own religions, not leaning on laws of nation-states) explicitly saying that the mother may have visitation rights if there is a divorce. My guess would be no, since how can one make rules for something that is not accepted in one's religion (like asking Muslims to make rules on how to eat pork, a totally senseless suggestion).

So in such a case the Muslim would be in a better situation, since there are at least rules on what to do when there is a divorce, while in many Christian religions there is no acceptance of a divorce, and as a consequence no rules as to what happens when it occurs.

Slightly OT, but according to at least the Catholic brand of Christianity, a Christian woman may marry a Muslim only after her husband promises to the local priest that their sons will be educated as christians and will be baptized, and that he won't make any pressure on her to leave christianity and accept Islam, and they have to marry in the church with catholic rite.

None of this is permissible in Islam, but anyway very few "christian" women care about the rules of their religion..

[cl004]

What we should do is see whether the Catholic religion (and other Christian religions in general) have any definite rules in their own religion (that is, from their own religions, not leaning on laws of nation-states) explicitly saying that the mother may have visitation rights if there is a divorce. My guess would be no, since how can one make rules for something that is not accepted in one's religion (like asking Muslims to make rules on how to eat pork, a totally senseless suggestion).

So in such a case the Muslim would be in a better situation, since there are at least rules on what to do when there is a divorce, while in many Christian religions there is no acceptance of a divorce, and as a consequence no rules as to what happens when it occurs.

The situation I was talking about related to Husbands talking their children without their wife's consent to another country and ignoring any attempts at contact, giving no explanation as to why they leave, effectively kidnapping their own children. No clues given before it happens. No marriage breakdown.

Since most christian countries go by civil law, in that case the Husband or Father has broken the law and rightly so. No parent has the right to do such a thing. It is not in the childs interest. Clearly if there is abuse involved that is a different scenario bu generally speaking most cases of muslim fathers kidnapping their children are without warning, leaving the mother and child devastated.

Very sad and difficult situations. It is against Catholicism to divorce anyway!!! How ridiculous.

[cl004]

Slightly OT, but according to at least the Catholic brand of Christianity, a Christian woman may marry a Muslim only after her husband promises to the local priest that their sons will be educated as christians and will be baptized, and that he won't make any pressure on her to leave christianity and accept Islam, and they have to marry in the church with catholic rite.

None of this is permissible in Islam, but anyway very few "christian" women care about the rules of their religion..

Ireland is still backwards when it comes to religious education, most of the schools, in particular primary level are still run by the Church, putting all other religions at a disadvantage. Most schools just expect muslim or jewish children to just not listen to the teacher during those lessons. Children are sponges and will absorb it whether their parents think they will or not.

Christian or Catholic women in Ireland, generally speaking would not listen to what their priest has to say anyway. And more power to them.

When I went to my priest for the letter when marrying my husband, he knew I didnt attent church and never asked me why, he just went to attack another religion instead and reverting to stereotypes again. Pathetic, is it any wonder why we dont listen anymore.

[w4HPpbSW]

Siraj Zaidi, an Indian Shia Muslim who has lived in Ireland for 15 years gave the first lecture. Allah knows best.

[Zenunlild]

Allah knows best.

Yes...there was more in that department in the original which I edited out.

[w4HPpbSW]

Yes...there was more in that department in the original which I edited out.

brother, thank you for that.

[Zenunlild]

Ireland is still backwards when it comes to religious education, most of the schools, in particular primary level are still run by the Church, putting all other religions at a disadvantage. Most schools just expect muslim or jewish children to just not listen to the teacher during those lessons. Children are sponges and will absorb it whether their parents think they will or not.

Christian or Catholic women in Ireland, generally speaking would not listen to what their priest has to say anyway. And more power to them.

When I went to my priest for the letter when marrying my husband, he knew I didnt attent church and never asked me why, he just went to attack another religion instead and reverting to stereotypes again. Pathetic, is it any wonder why we dont listen anymore.

You seem to be very angry with the Catholic church.

[cl004]

You seem to be very angry with the Catholic church.

I think it is one of the most corrupted organisation in the World. It doesnt practice what it preaches and it puts more importance on wealth, power and position. What I like about Islam is that there is none of this(that I know of). You dont have a figure head(a pope or bishops) that control everything. Anyway my whole issue with Catholicism, is that it is mad made, make it all up as you go along, imposing celibacy on priests, not including women in ceremonies, the list is endless, all on the say so of old men.

[Angry White American]

I think it is one of the most corrupted organisation in the World. It doesnt practice what it preaches and it puts more importance on wealth, power and position. What I like about Islam is that there is none of this(that I know of). You dont have a figure head(a pope or bishops) that control everything. Anyway my whole issue with Catholicism, is that it is mad made, make it all up as you go along, imposing celibacy on priests, not including women in ceremonies, the list is endless, all on the say so of old men.

Hello, I wonder if ther catholics have something similar like sharia. Where the gods coomands ends and where the man made law starts in christinaity? As a formed catholic I always believed in bible till I have seen that there the guidance is not complete ... and so on I dont want to get to OT topic.
In islam women are also discoraged to participate in some ceremonies... so how the catholics reason such segregation if women should be equal to men acc. to western phylosophy? Really chtristianity is very confusing, but I noticed big anger in your posts against christians too.

[Zenunlild]

I think it is one of the most corrupted organisation in the World. It doesnt practice what it preaches and it puts more importance on wealth, power and position. What I like about Islam is that there is none of this(that I know of). You dont have a figure head(a pope or bishops) that control everything. Anyway my whole issue with Catholicism, is that it is mad made, make it all up as you go along, imposing celibacy on priests, not including women in ceremonies, the list is endless, all on the say so of old men.

Gotta agree with you there.

[cl004]

Hello, I wonder if ther catholics have something similar like sharia. Where the gods coomands ends and where the man made law starts in christinaity? As a formed catholic I always believed in bible till I have seen that there the guidance is not complete ... and so on I dont want to get to OT topic.
In islam women are also discoraged to participate in some ceremonies... so how the catholics reason such segregation if women should be equal to men acc. to western phylosophy? Really chtristianity is very confusing, but I noticed big anger in your posts against christians too.

I am not angry with christians, only with the institutions of christianity, in particular, the vatican.

[Angry White American]

I am not angry with christians, only with the institutions of christianity, in particular, the vatican.

It is built by people isnt it?

[Zenunlild]

Bismillah
It makes no or little difference if Islam is the fastest growing relegion or not. It is more important that we have practicing sincere, humble God fearing muslim who do justice to themselves and becomes a source of mercy for others. Allah's deen is not in need of us but we are in need of his mercy.

One should not buyinto everything media says. Often these are aired or such claim made up inorder to stir things up. It was the Christian missinaries who said Islam is the fastest growing relegion and being naieve and gullible, people fell for it.
Allahualam

Our saying that Islam is the fastest growing faith on earth is merely an admission of fact. Even if it were the slowest growing faith on earth, it would still be the truth.

[cl004]

It is built by people isnt it?

The Hierarchy of the church, I am refering to.

[Angry White American]

The Hierarchy of the church, I am refering to.

Yes I think I understand what you mean, I just say that hierarchy is proposed, built and maintained by people.

[Zenunlild]

Yes I think I understand what you mean, I just say that hierarchy is proposed, built and maintained by people.

In the case of the Church, Man proposes and Man disposes. God is already disposed of.