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**Vagtlaldo** · 04-14-2006, 07:00 AM

So if you are working after graduation or even in school and a non muslim lady
sticks her hand out. What do you do ?

a) just tell her that you dont shake hands.
b) give her the detail explanation.
c) say that this is culturally taboo in your culture.
d) shake her hand, while in the heart finding it offensive ( weakest state of iman).

I have been doing d until now, and am looking for ideas to change it.

I was always told that you should never be the first one to offer my hand to a woman. I am not sure if that was more of a muslim/pakistani upbringing thing or if its more common ?

Do sisters in universities or working environment get guys putting their hands forth for a handshake or does the hijab/niqab play a role in it.

So your thoughts and ideas about avoiding handshaking are appreciated.

**phernikas** · 07-26-2006, 07:00 AM

So if you are working after graduation or even in school and a non muslim lady
sticks her hand out. What do you do ?

Politely decline, briefly stating the reason.

Excerpted from sunnipath...
Shaking Hands With the Opposite Sex Is Haram, & The Importance of Holding On To One's Deen

Q. Many brothers ask by email about the issue of shaking hands with women in professional settings where, they say, not doing so would harm or impede their ability to function. They may not get hired, promoted, or accepted in professional areas (such as law) where Muslim presence is essential. I checked what some major contemporary traditional fuqaha, such as Shaykh Taqi Usmani and some of my teachers in Damascus, had to say, and they are very firm on this point. But the brothers who asked are saying that such answers belie a lack of understanding of "Western realities." They are saying that it is not possible to function in professional Western work environments without shaking hands with women. What would you answer and advise about this issue, Sayyidi?

A. No, it is not permissible to shake hands with women at all. There are many reports from the Prophet Sallallahi alayhi wasallam that he never shook the hands of any women, despite his status as a Prophet. All the allegiance [bay'a] he took was either without holding the hand or with a cloth tied around it. He explicitly informed the women when they extended their hands to him that he did not shake hands with women. [See Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, The Women in Madina, Chapter One: The manner in which the Messenger of Allah received women's allegiance] To read the full answer, click here.

**farmarrl** · 12-24-2005, 07:00 AM

Bro
whenever keep a handerkercheif with u all the time and when ever you think the situation will arise then have it out, i.e. hold it, they wont put their hand out to u as they will think you have a flu
This has worked for many

**KacypeJeope** · 08-01-2006, 07:00 AM

Assalamu Alaikum,

I've never had that problem at work or university. Outside these areas I did come across it and I politely declined. I don't think he understood to be honest but he accepted my explanation politely.

I think muslims can feel embarrassed about certain elements of their faith, and in their bid to explain things to non-muslims they come across apologetic or just succumb to their demands.

This is one of those situations. You might feel like a fool, declining what appears to be a minor sin, but every sin is great if we keep in mind who it is we're sinning against right?

Fi Aman'Allah

**bixlewlyimila** · 08-30-2006, 07:00 AM

I''ll just drop the question here because it has something to with the topic...

Its allowed to shake hands with the opposite sex if they are eldery:
It is prohibited to shake hands with non-immediate relations of the opposite sex, except when:
a) they are elderly; and
b) there is no fear of temptation or desire.
When not elderly, it is not permitted even without such fear, and is sinful. http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00004158.aspx So it is allowed if one is old and there is no fear of fitnah. But can someone present to me the daleel for this statement? I once read that Abu bakr shook hands with old women...

**perpelverw** · 05-21-2006, 07:00 AM

Assalamu Alaikum,

In many situations, shaking hands is a formality, as long as there is no fear of temptation or desire, I don't see the harm in it. So for instance if say you had a job interview and the interviewer was of the opposite gender and they put their hand out to shake with yours, that I think is fine. However, if you're at uni and a fellow student (of the opposite gender) says hi and puts their hand up for a high five, tell them you don't shake hands with people of the opposite gender.

Walaikum Asalam.

**NEWyear** · 02-09-2006, 07:00 AM

In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Powerful

Assalamu `Alaykum.

Dear Honest Student,

Sidi, you wrote:

> "2246 The safer legal position is that the man should try his best
not > to touch an unrelated woman (even casually)
> who is not his wife."
>
> The safer legal position? I thought this was the ONLY legal position?
> Isn't there 'ijma that you cannot touch an unrelated woman who is not
> your wife (not include necessary times)?

Touching is of various types and there would be difference about
the extremely casual type of touching, such as "palm-taps" (the two
people join the underside of the fingers or palm for a second or two
as a greeting) which have been prevalent in North Africa between the
genders for many centuries now up from the very beginning of Islam
reaching this part of the world without major and pronounced disavowal
from the main knowledge centers.

As a person learns more and travels more, one realizes that the issues
with absolute ijmaa` are not that many and those that have absolute
ijmaa` (for an issue like this) would need more qualifying details,
such
as the age difference between the two people and the absolute
undeniablity
of the touching being for sensual purposes.

> I was always of the impression that it was "agreed upon by the 4
legal
> schools." So does that mean that in enjoining the good and forbidding
> the evil we DO or DO NOT tell a Muslim to not touch an unrelated
woman?

We would recommend books such as Bidayatu l-mujtahid, al-qawanin
al-fiqh-
hiiyah, and al-Mughni by Ibn Qudama (which list the points of ijmaa`)
to
point you in the correct direction and make you realize that many
closed-
minded people today who appear to be (externally) religious (and rigid)
do themselves harm (in respect to their standing with Allah and their
position in the next life) by speaking authoritatively about the din in
blanket statements which they are not qualified nor learned enough to
utter - and Allah has told us not to speak about Him or His din without
solid knowledge.

Then, we would instruct these people who claim ijmaa` on such an issue
to demonstrate the clear prohibition/command which is contained in the
Qur'an (about the issue) or the *mutawatir* (4 or more independent
chains) and authenticated hadith which contain the prohibition/command.
And (since we know about the primary texts which deal with this
issue), we state that they will not be able to fulfill this requirement
-
and whenever this requirement is not fulfilled, it opens the door
to various differences in branch rulings.

The recommended position on this issue has already been narrated by
us in the Explanatory Notes of the Guiding Helper in the footnote
you quoted.

Wassalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah

Abuqanit Hasani
Main Author

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**UKkoXJvF** · 02-28-2006, 07:00 AM

Assalamu Alaikum,

In many situations, shaking hands is a formality, as long as there is no fear of temptation or desire, I don't see the harm in it. So for instance if say you had a job interview and the interviewer was of the opposite gender and they put their hand out to shake with yours, that I think is fine. However, if you're at uni and a fellow student (of the opposite gender) says hi and puts their hand up for a high five, tell them you don't shake hands with people of the opposite gender.

Walaikum Asalam.

Rejecting a haraam borders on kufr.

"It is not permissible for you to shake your hands with any non-Mahram women." -- Mufti Ebrahim Desai. (and vice versa).

**GetsTan** · 12-05-2005, 07:00 AM

She's relating the comments of Qaradawi/Turabi I believe, as related here. Plus see Ohossino's post..

**UKkoXJvF** · 06-30-2006, 07:00 AM

She's relating the comments of Qaradawi/Turabi I believe, as related here. Plus see Ohossino's post..

Qardawi is leniant to the point of total laxity, and therefore is not a valid source. Ohossino's post referred to the Maliki Madhhab, the sister has indicated she is Hanafi.

Allahu Alam.

**kertUtire** · 11-13-2005, 07:00 AM

I think one thing we forget as a Sunnah of Rasullulah (S.a.w) is his kindness and his politness. As we are in a non Muslim area sometimes we will be forced to do things that we do not find correct, but we must remember that politeness is something very important, so if you choose not to shake hands with the girl, find the most polite and most kind way to approach it. Remember to tell her its to protect her that you do not shake her hand, or if shes so inclined to shake your hand, tell her you cant touch the skin, but you can put some cloth or something on your hand and shake it without touching her and without making her feel bad.

**NEWyear** · 04-13-2006, 07:00 AM

Ohossino's post referred to the Maliki Madhhab, the sister has indicated she is Hanafi.

Allahu Alam.

And remember it's not saying that it's okay! And it's NOT the Maliki opinion narrated in the Guiding Helper!! It's just saying that there is no 'ijma on the matter AND that non-sensual, casual, brief touching of the palms and inner hand was done by members of the opposite gender in Northern Africa.

**GetsTan** · 02-20-2006, 07:00 AM

Yeah, but if there is a legitimate difference of opinion, then it's tough to say that questioning it is kufr..

**UKkoXJvF** · 06-20-2006, 07:00 AM

And remember it's not saying that it's okay! And it's NOT the Maliki opinion narrated in the Guiding Helper!! It's just saying that there is no 'ijma on the matter AND that non-sensual, casual, brief touching of the palms and inner hand was done by members of the opposite gender in Northern Africa.

Odd.

Shaykh Faraz: "The ruling across the madhhabs is that it is not permitted to shake hands with someone non-related of the opposite sex."

Also read: http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...A00001353.aspx

**NEWyear** · 02-22-2006, 07:00 AM

Rejecting a haraam borders on kufr.

Isn't this a haraam in which there is 'ijma on?

Then, we would instruct these people who claim ijmaa` on such an issue
to demonstrate the clear prohibition/command which is contained in the
Qur'an (about the issue) or the *mutawatir* (4 or more independent
chains) and authenticated hadith which contain the prohibition/command.
And (since we know about the primary texts which deal with this
issue), we state that they will not be able to fulfill this requirement
-
and whenever this requirement is not fulfilled, it opens the door
to various differences in branch rulings. - Shaykh Abu Qanit al-Hassani

**GetsTan** · 05-08-2006, 07:00 AM

Isn't this a haraam in which there is 'ijma on?

Eh, reading that response, isn't the Shaykh indicating there *isn't* an ijma on this? (ie that's why he's asking for someone to come forward with evidence if they claim it)

Maybe ijma of four imams? Ijma is a funny thing.

**NEWyear** · 02-05-2006, 07:00 AM

Odd.

Shaykh Faraz: "The ruling across the madhhabs is that it is not permitted to shake hands with someone non-related of the opposite sex."

Also read: http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...A00001353.aspx

YES! And this is the Maliki madhab's position!

Shaykh Abu Qanit al-Hassani also never said it was halal to shake hands, if you read his response carefully.

**NEWyear** · 12-16-2005, 07:00 AM

> "2246 The safer legal position is that the man should try his best
not > to touch an unrelated woman (even casually)
> who is not his wife."
>
> The safer legal position? I thought this was the ONLY legal position?
> Isn't there 'ijma that you cannot touch an unrelated woman who is not
> your wife (not include necessary times)? > Could you please explain the position of Ijma' in the Maliki school? I have heard
> from Shafi'i sources that Ijma' is the consensus of all of the Mujtahid's of a
> particular time. How is it possible to know of all the Mujtahid's of a particular
> time? I'm not sure if there were mujtahid Imams in China, but prior to modern
> communication, it would seem difficult to get all the info.

As you note, it is impractical to say that Ijma' included each and every scholar.
There are detailed discussions of this elsewhere. However if you are looking
for one work that gathers together the agreed upon Ijma` opinions in
our din, please refer to Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdasi's al-Mughni or Ibn Juzayy
al-Kalbi's al-Qawanin al-Fiqhiyyah.

Ijma` may be taken from the preponderance of the scholars at a particular
time (e.g., 95%).

We believe that the Malikis mostly use Imja` for referring to the Ijma` of the
people of Madinah. Since this is easily definable as: the consensus of the
scholars who lived or taught in Madinah in the first two to three centuries
of Islam (thus, the Companions, the tabi`in and the tabi` al-tabi`in are
included).

Imam Malik has said: The consensus of all of the scholars of Madinah is
a [strong] argument [and proof].

[As a side note, after the third century of Islam up until our day, many
would-be scholars claim Ijma` on subjects on which Ijma` is probably not
provable. They do this to re-enforce their opinion or the opinion of their
teachers. Ibn Qudamah's book mentioned above is probably the best one
that sorts things out.]

References:
[UF: volume 1: page 488: line(s) 6-7: {Imja`, Ijma` in the time of the Mujtahid Imams}]
[UF: volume 1: page 505: line(s) 9-12: {Ijma`, Ijma` Ahl al-Madinah}]

**GetsTan** · 06-30-2006, 07:00 AM

Eh, he doesn't say there is an ijma on it, does he?

**NEWyear** · 08-29-2006, 07:00 AM

I've asked the Shaykh, may Allah (SWT) preserve him, a clarifying question. If he does respond, I will insha Allah post it when I recieve it.

04-14-2006, 07:00 AM	#1
Vagtlaldo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	shaking hands with women ( men for sisters) So if you are working after graduation or even in school and a non muslim lady sticks her hand out. What do you do ? a) just tell her that you dont shake hands. b) give her the detail explanation. c) say that this is culturally taboo in your culture. d) shake her hand, while in the heart finding it offensive ( weakest state of iman). I have been doing d until now, and am looking for ideas to change it. I was always told that you should never be the first one to offer my hand to a woman. I am not sure if that was more of a muslim/pakistani upbringing thing or if its more common ? Do sisters in universities or working environment get guys putting their hands forth for a handshake or does the hijab/niqab play a role in it. So your thoughts and ideas about avoiding handshaking are appreciated. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2006, 07:00 AM	#2
phernikas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	So if you are working after graduation or even in school and a non muslim lady sticks her hand out. What do you do ? Politely decline, briefly stating the reason. Excerpted from sunnipath... Shaking Hands With the Opposite Sex Is Haram, & The Importance of Holding On To One's Deen Q. Many brothers ask by email about the issue of shaking hands with women in professional settings where, they say, not doing so would harm or impede their ability to function. They may not get hired, promoted, or accepted in professional areas (such as law) where Muslim presence is essential. I checked what some major contemporary traditional fuqaha, such as Shaykh Taqi Usmani and some of my teachers in Damascus, had to say, and they are very firm on this point. But the brothers who asked are saying that such answers belie a lack of understanding of "Western realities." They are saying that it is not possible to function in professional Western work environments without shaking hands with women. What would you answer and advise about this issue, Sayyidi? A. No, it is not permissible to shake hands with women at all. There are many reports from the Prophet Sallallahi alayhi wasallam that he never shook the hands of any women, despite his status as a Prophet. All the allegiance [bay'a] he took was either without holding the hand or with a cloth tied around it. He explicitly informed the women when they extended their hands to him that he did not shake hands with women. [See Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, The Women in Madina, Chapter One: The manner in which the Messenger of Allah received women's allegiance] To read the full answer, click here. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-24-2005, 07:00 AM	#3
farmarrl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	Bro whenever keep a handerkercheif with u all the time and when ever you think the situation will arise then have it out, i.e. hold it, they wont put their hand out to u as they will think you have a flu This has worked for many Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-01-2006, 07:00 AM	#4
KacypeJeope Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	Assalamu Alaikum, I've never had that problem at work or university. Outside these areas I did come across it and I politely declined. I don't think he understood to be honest but he accepted my explanation politely. I think muslims can feel embarrassed about certain elements of their faith, and in their bid to explain things to non-muslims they come across apologetic or just succumb to their demands. This is one of those situations. You might feel like a fool, declining what appears to be a minor sin, but every sin is great if we keep in mind who it is we're sinning against right? Fi Aman'Allah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-30-2006, 07:00 AM	#5
bixlewlyimila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 367 Senior Member	I''ll just drop the question here because it has something to with the topic... Its allowed to shake hands with the opposite sex if they are eldery: It is prohibited to shake hands with non-immediate relations of the opposite sex, except when: a) they are elderly; and b) there is no fear of temptation or desire. When not elderly, it is not permitted even without such fear, and is sinful. http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00004158.aspx So it is allowed if one is old and there is no fear of fitnah. But can someone present to me the daleel for this statement? I once read that Abu bakr shook hands with old women... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-21-2006, 07:00 AM	#6
perpelverw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Assalamu Alaikum, In many situations, shaking hands is a formality, as long as there is no fear of temptation or desire, I don't see the harm in it. So for instance if say you had a job interview and the interviewer was of the opposite gender and they put their hand out to shake with yours, that I think is fine. However, if you're at uni and a fellow student (of the opposite gender) says hi and puts their hand up for a high five, tell them you don't shake hands with people of the opposite gender. Walaikum Asalam. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-09-2006, 07:00 AM	#7
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Powerful Assalamu `Alaykum. Dear Honest Student, Sidi, you wrote: > "2246 The safer legal position is that the man should try his best not > to touch an unrelated woman (even casually) > who is not his wife." > > The safer legal position? I thought this was the ONLY legal position? > Isn't there 'ijma that you cannot touch an unrelated woman who is not > your wife (not include necessary times)? Touching is of various types and there would be difference about the extremely casual type of touching, such as "palm-taps" (the two people join the underside of the fingers or palm for a second or two as a greeting) which have been prevalent in North Africa between the genders for many centuries now up from the very beginning of Islam reaching this part of the world without major and pronounced disavowal from the main knowledge centers. As a person learns more and travels more, one realizes that the issues with absolute ijmaa` are not that many and those that have absolute ijmaa` (for an issue like this) would need more qualifying details, such as the age difference between the two people and the absolute undeniablity of the touching being for sensual purposes. > I was always of the impression that it was "agreed upon by the 4 legal > schools." So does that mean that in enjoining the good and forbidding > the evil we DO or DO NOT tell a Muslim to not touch an unrelated woman? We would recommend books such as Bidayatu l-mujtahid, al-qawanin al-fiqh- hiiyah, and al-Mughni by Ibn Qudama (which list the points of ijmaa`) to point you in the correct direction and make you realize that many closed- minded people today who appear to be (externally) religious (and rigid) do themselves harm (in respect to their standing with Allah and their position in the next life) by speaking authoritatively about the din in blanket statements which they are not qualified nor learned enough to utter - and Allah has told us not to speak about Him or His din without solid knowledge. Then, we would instruct these people who claim ijmaa` on such an issue to demonstrate the clear prohibition/command which is contained in the Qur'an (about the issue) or the mutawatir (4 or more independent chains) and authenticated hadith which contain the prohibition/command. And (since we know about the primary texts which deal with this issue), we state that they will not be able to fulfill this requirement - and whenever this requirement is not fulfilled, it opens the door to various differences in branch rulings. The recommended position on this issue has already been narrated by us in the Explanatory Notes of the Guiding Helper in the footnote you quoted. Wassalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah Abuqanit Hasani Main Author ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Guiding Helper Foundation Website: http://www.guidinghelper.com p.s. The answer provided is directed to the individual questioner and does not necessarily apply to the general body of our din. Please do not reply to this message as it has been automatically generated by an unattended mailer. If you have more questions, visit: http://www.guidinghelper.com/ask_question.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guiding Helper Foundation Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-28-2006, 07:00 AM	#8
UKkoXJvF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Assalamu Alaikum, In many situations, shaking hands is a formality, as long as there is no fear of temptation or desire, I don't see the harm in it. So for instance if say you had a job interview and the interviewer was of the opposite gender and they put their hand out to shake with yours, that I think is fine. However, if you're at uni and a fellow student (of the opposite gender) says hi and puts their hand up for a high five, tell them you don't shake hands with people of the opposite gender. Walaikum Asalam. Rejecting a haraam borders on kufr. "It is not permissible for you to shake your hands with any non-Mahram women." -- Mufti Ebrahim Desai. (and vice versa). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-05-2005, 07:00 AM	#9
GetsTan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 691 Senior Member	She's relating the comments of Qaradawi/Turabi I believe, as related here. Plus see Ohossino's post.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2006, 07:00 AM	#10
UKkoXJvF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	She's relating the comments of Qaradawi/Turabi I believe, as related here. Plus see Ohossino's post.. Qardawi is leniant to the point of total laxity, and therefore is not a valid source. Ohossino's post referred to the Maliki Madhhab, the sister has indicated she is Hanafi. Allahu Alam. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2005, 07:00 AM	#11
kertUtire Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	I think one thing we forget as a Sunnah of Rasullulah (S.a.w) is his kindness and his politness. As we are in a non Muslim area sometimes we will be forced to do things that we do not find correct, but we must remember that politeness is something very important, so if you choose not to shake hands with the girl, find the most polite and most kind way to approach it. Remember to tell her its to protect her that you do not shake her hand, or if shes so inclined to shake your hand, tell her you cant touch the skin, but you can put some cloth or something on your hand and shake it without touching her and without making her feel bad. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-13-2006, 07:00 AM	#12
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Ohossino's post referred to the Maliki Madhhab, the sister has indicated she is Hanafi. Allahu Alam. And remember it's not saying that it's okay! And it's NOT the Maliki opinion narrated in the Guiding Helper!! It's just saying that there is no 'ijma on the matter AND that non-sensual, casual, brief touching of the palms and inner hand was done by members of the opposite gender in Northern Africa. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-20-2006, 07:00 AM	#13
GetsTan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 691 Senior Member	Yeah, but if there is a legitimate difference of opinion, then it's tough to say that questioning it is kufr.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2006, 07:00 AM	#14
UKkoXJvF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	And remember it's not saying that it's okay! And it's NOT the Maliki opinion narrated in the Guiding Helper!! It's just saying that there is no 'ijma on the matter AND that non-sensual, casual, brief touching of the palms and inner hand was done by members of the opposite gender in Northern Africa. Odd. Shaykh Faraz: "The ruling across the madhhabs is that it is not permitted to shake hands with someone non-related of the opposite sex." Also read: http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...A00001353.aspx Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-22-2006, 07:00 AM	#15
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Rejecting a haraam borders on kufr. Isn't this a haraam in which there is 'ijma on? Then, we would instruct these people who claim ijmaa` on such an issue to demonstrate the clear prohibition/command which is contained in the Qur'an (about the issue) or the mutawatir (4 or more independent chains) and authenticated hadith which contain the prohibition/command. And (since we know about the primary texts which deal with this issue), we state that they will not be able to fulfill this requirement - and whenever this requirement is not fulfilled, it opens the door to various differences in branch rulings. - Shaykh Abu Qanit al-Hassani Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-08-2006, 07:00 AM	#16
GetsTan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 691 Senior Member	Isn't this a haraam in which there is 'ijma on? Eh, reading that response, isn't the Shaykh indicating there isn't an ijma on this? (ie that's why he's asking for someone to come forward with evidence if they claim it) Maybe ijma of four imams? Ijma is a funny thing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-05-2006, 07:00 AM	#17
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Odd. Shaykh Faraz: "The ruling across the madhhabs is that it is not permitted to shake hands with someone non-related of the opposite sex." Also read: http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...A00001353.aspx YES! And this is the Maliki madhab's position! Shaykh Abu Qanit al-Hassani also never said it was halal to shake hands, if you read his response carefully. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-16-2005, 07:00 AM	#18
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	> "2246 The safer legal position is that the man should try his best not > to touch an unrelated woman (even casually) > who is not his wife." > > The safer legal position? I thought this was the ONLY legal position? > Isn't there 'ijma that you cannot touch an unrelated woman who is not > your wife (not include necessary times)? > Could you please explain the position of Ijma' in the Maliki school? I have heard > from Shafi'i sources that Ijma' is the consensus of all of the Mujtahid's of a > particular time. How is it possible to know of all the Mujtahid's of a particular > time? I'm not sure if there were mujtahid Imams in China, but prior to modern > communication, it would seem difficult to get all the info. As you note, it is impractical to say that Ijma' included each and every scholar. There are detailed discussions of this elsewhere. However if you are looking for one work that gathers together the agreed upon Ijma` opinions in our din, please refer to Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdasi's al-Mughni or Ibn Juzayy al-Kalbi's al-Qawanin al-Fiqhiyyah. Ijma` may be taken from the preponderance of the scholars at a particular time (e.g., 95%). We believe that the Malikis mostly use Imja` for referring to the Ijma` of the people of Madinah. Since this is easily definable as: the consensus of the scholars who lived or taught in Madinah in the first two to three centuries of Islam (thus, the Companions, the tabi`in and the tabi` al-tabi`in are included). Imam Malik has said: The consensus of all of the scholars of Madinah is a [strong] argument [and proof]. [As a side note, after the third century of Islam up until our day, many would-be scholars claim Ijma` on subjects on which Ijma` is probably not provable. They do this to re-enforce their opinion or the opinion of their teachers. Ibn Qudamah's book mentioned above is probably the best one that sorts things out.] References: [UF: volume 1: page 488: line(s) 6-7: {Imja`, Ijma` in the time of the Mujtahid Imams}] [UF: volume 1: page 505: line(s) 9-12: {Ijma`, Ijma` Ahl al-Madinah}] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2006, 07:00 AM	#20
NEWyear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	I've asked the Shaykh, may Allah (SWT) preserve him, a clarifying question. If he does respond, I will insha Allah post it when I recieve it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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