[estheticianI]

can you find just normal sunni hanafi's who belive in sufism that do not belong to deobandi or barelvi?

[gydrorway]

Yes, you can find other true Hanafis in the world. But most of their teachings will be equivalent to that of the Deoband methedology, because the latter is no seperate sect but rather affirms to the traditional and proven teachings of the Ahlu Sunnah wal-Jama'ah.

[estheticianI]

How come in the arab world there is no barelvi and deobandi?

and just simple sufis? but I see that some arab scholars have similar views to barelwi but they still arent barelvi.
pretty confused

[gydrorway]

Many highly qualified scholars of the Arab speaking world approved the creed laid down in "Al-Muhannad a'lal-Mufannad" by Shaykh Khaleel Ahmad Saharanpuri , and none of them called (or call) themselves Deobandi.

[estheticianI]

Many highly qualified scholars of the Arab speaking world approved the creed laid down in "Al-Muhannad a'lal-Mufannad" by Shaykh Khaleel Ahmad Saharanpuri , and none of them called (or call) themselves Deobandi.

Sorry but I don't undertand

JazkaAllah

[estheticianI]

Many highly qualified scholars of the Arab speaking world approved the creed laid down in "Al-Muhannad a'lal-Mufannad" by Shaykh Khaleel Ahmad Saharanpuri , and none of them called (or call) themselves Deobandi.

And what about scholars such as Muhammad Al-alawi Maliki.

[cigsstorenick]

can you find just normal sunni hanafi's who belive in sufism that do not belong to deobandi or barelvi?

You can also find non-deobandi, non-barelvi hanafi's who doesn't believe in sufism as well...

[gydrorway]

Sorry but I don't undertand

JazkaAllah

I just try to illustrate that the Deobandi methodology is not a seperate sect and usually does not hold minority opinions, but most of the time conforms with the majority of the Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamah around the world. I know this is not your actual query, but for more on this you can read this thread: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ound-the-world

[Wrencytet]

can you find just normal sunni hanafi's who belive in sufism that do not belong to deobandi or barelvi?

Yes, you can find them.

[lisualsethelp]

Believing in the Sufiism is not a condition of being Sunni

someone could describe themselves as Hanafi, non-Deobandi, non-Sufi, and still be Sunni

[botagozzz]

Yes, you can find other true Hanafis in the world. But most of their teachings will be equivalent to that of the Deoband methedology, because the latter is no seperate sect but rather affirms to the traditional and proven teachings of the Ahlu Sunnah wal-Jama'ah.

I am a no-deobandi, non-barlawi Hanafi - so is my Sheikh (and he is from Pakistan) - we do not fully adhere to the deobandi Ideas, but we also don have a problem with them - we also do not fully adhere to all of the barlawi ideas.

In matters of Fiqh, there is not much of a difference, its in areas of aqeedah where deobandis and barlawis realy diverge. It may seem like all hanafis are one or the other, but thaqt is mainly because most hanafis are from the indo-pak region, and they bring this deobandi/barlawi rivalry with them - and if you live in the region or you surround yourself with people from the region, you begin to live in a bubble, where you see every muslim you meet as falling into one of these (made up) categories.

The funny thing is if you ask an Arab or an Indonesian, or a Western Muslim which category they fall into, they usually have no idea what your talking about. I for one was Muslim for a good 8 or 9 years before I joined this forum, and for those 8 or 9 years I followed hanafi fiqh and had no idea what a deobandi or a barlawi was until you guys taught me - however learning about this divide really opened up my eyes and made a lot of things clear for me on why certain hanafi sufi Muslims had an idealogical beef with other sufi inclined hanafis.

[botagozzz]

Believing in the Sufiism is not a condition of being Sunni

someone could describe themselves as Hanafi, non-Deobandi, non-Sufi, and still be Sunni

I have met hanafis who are non-deo, non barlawi, and non-sufi, but they are not ANTI-sufi - I have yet to find a person who is hanafi and ANTI-sufi. Following a particular tarriqa is no more fard then becoming a hafidh or a muhadith, so there is no real problem with being a hanafi and not having a tarriqa.

[cenRealliat]

can you find just normal sunni hanafi's who belive in sufism that do not belong to deobandi or barelvi?

An example: a non muslim is searching for unbiased and real Islam because he has observed that muslims are divided into two sects- "sunni" and "shia".
Due to his limited knowledge he is considering "sunni" as a "sect".

This is analogous to your intention. Please do some research and you'll realize your fault (i.e. Deoband is a sect).

[KuRoregioNka]

'Deobandis' should stop calling themselves as such because laymen are already confused about other sects (which are sects) whereas deobandism is but pure hanafism which is but pure sunnism thus pure Islam.

[Wrencytet]

... whereas deobandism is but pure hanafism.....

You are wrong brother, there are also deobandees who are shafi'i.

[cenRealliat]

laymen are already confused about other sects (which are sects) whereas deobandism is but pure hanafism which is but pure sunnism thus pure Islam.

. Nicely explained.

[cenRealliat]

You are wrong brother, there are also deobandees who are shafi'i.

You are correct but I think he has written it because OP is Hanafi.

[Nppracph]

Non barelwis, and non deos??? Youre having a laugh, they must be Ahle Hadith then!!!

Lol only joking

[spapsinee]

The funny thing is if you ask an Arab or an Indonesian, or a Western Muslim which category they fall into, they usually have no idea what your talking about. I for one was Muslim for a good 8 or 9 years before I joined this forum, and for those 8 or 9 years I followed hanafi fiqh and had no idea what a deobandi or a barlawi was until you guys taught me - however learning about this divide really opened up my eyes and made a lot of things clear for me on why certain hanafi sufi Muslims had an idealogical beef with other sufi inclined hanafis.

Brother MujahidAbdullah,



Could I possibly discuss with you by email?

[KuRoregioNka]

Non barelwis, and non deos??? Youre having a laugh, they must be Ahle Hadith then!!!

Lol only joking

Even if you're only joking the matter is dead serious, there is too much group-ism nowadays.