[BodeOmissemia]

When Pharaohs army marched into the desert behind Moses and trapped them badly, as in front of them was the sea, to their back was the avenging army.
when their ranks got panic, Moses allayed their fears by reminding them to keep the faith to continue trusting Allah who would not let them down. and Allah made them a way out through sea.

When Prophet PBUH and his companion Abu Bakr (r.z) took shelter in the cave of Thawr. and when he r.z feared people - discovering them, he r.z was asked by Prophet PBUH, Don't be afraid Allah is with us. Allah helped them miraculously with that spider web.

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

[Anypeny]

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

Isn't martyrdom what every true Muslim longs for. Khalid bin Waleed (ra) was so disappointed to die in his deathbed, he wanted to die as a shaheed. Dying as a martyr is the biggest honour one can get after the Ambiya. Umar(ra), Uthman (ra) and Ali (ra) all achieved Martyrdom. To die as a shaheed is victory, because for us victory is not based on Dunya but rather Akhirah. When the first drop of blood of the Shaheed hits the ground all his sins are forgiven. Their bodies do not decay in the graves. On the day of Judgement their blood from the wounds will emit smell of Musk. What more can we ask, May Allah give us the honour of dying as a Shaheed. Ameen.

[BodeOmissemia]

this is so true, Indeed that was a great victory, the way they didn't leave the battlefield and sacrificed their lives.

[Janny2006]

When Pharaohs army marched into the desert behind Moses and trapped them badly, as in front of them was the sea, to their back was the avenging army.
when their ranks got panic, Moses allayed their fears by reminding them to keep the faith to continue trusting Allah who would not let them down. and Allah made them a way out through sea.

When Prophet PBUH and his companion Abu Bakr (r.z) took shelter in the cave of Thawr. and when he r.z feared people discovering them, he s.a.w asked by Prophet PBUH Abubakar (r.z) Don't be afraid Allah is with us. Allah helped them miraculously with that spider web.

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

because that what Allah has wanted/willed.

[BodeOmissemia]

because that what Allah has wanted/willed.

Yes, without Allah's mercy one can't hasten to do good deeds.

I was connecting the Karbala reflections to the lecture, collision of good versus evil and will the righteous win through to absolute victory.

[xjNo4zvD]

When Pharaohs army marched into the desert behind Moses and trapped them badly, as in front of them was the sea, to their back was the avenging army.
when their ranks got panic, Moses allayed their fears by reminding them to keep the faith to continue trusting Allah who would not let them down. and Allah made them a way out through sea.

When Prophet PBUH and his companion Abu Bakr (r.z) took shelter in the cave of Thawr. and when he r.z feared people - discovering them, he r.z was asked by Prophet PBUH, Don't be afraid Allah is with us. Allah helped them miraculously with that spider web.

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

Ali(ra), Umar(ra) etc. All are beloved to Allah, all gained martyrdom.

When your time, is up, your time is up.

[BodeOmissemia]

Ali(ra), Umar(ra) etc. All are beloved to Allah, all gained martyrdom.

When your time, is up, your time is up.

Please remove this etc from your post.

and I think you didn't get what I have asked. It was about the victory thing.

[xjNo4zvD]

Please remove this etc from your post.

and I think you didn't get what I have asked. It was about the victory thing.

etc. Means other people beloved to Allah(sw) who gained martyrdom. As long as you get the ghist, I'm not going to list all of them, as that list would make your scroll very thin.

And your question was already answered above, you look at martyrdom in a negative sense, when it's one of the most blessed things.

As for the case of the Prophet(pbuh), his time nor his mission was up, Allah thus had to protect him until he could estalibash Islam.

[BodeOmissemia]

etc. Means other people beloved to Allah(sw) who gained martyrdom. As long as you get the ghist, I'm not going to list all of them, as that list would make your scroll very thin.

I know, what etc stands for, could be use in loose translation that's why I said, for companions you shouldn't be saying etc etc, get it?

And your question was already answered above, you look at martyrdom in a negative sense, when it's one of the most blessed things.

I will sense martyrdom negatively?

why are you on shaking around the words out context? I was asking about victory in this world, the triumph of Muslims and the Defeat of Kufr. I was asking why they didn't receive Allah's help and victory like, Moses and Prophet PBUH had hit a success great.

As for the case of the Prophet(pbuh), his time nor his mission was up, Allah thus had to protect him until he could estalibash Islam.

hh Please brother, have a look again on my 1st post, over here.

[KeettyGlots]

I know, what etc stands for, could be use in loose translation that's why I said, for companions you shouldn't be saying etc etc, get it?



I will sense martyrdom negatively?

why are you on shaking around the words out context? I was asking about victory in this world, the triumph of Muslims and the Defeat of Kufr. I was asking why they didn't receive Allah's help and victory like, Moses and Prophet PBUH had hit a success great.


hh Please brother, have a look again on my 1st post, over here.

Salam 'Aleykum,

There is a FAT difference between Prophet Musa SAWS versus Pharaoh and between al-Hussein bin 'Ali (ra) versus yazid.

Musa (as) is a prophet of God fighting against the evil forces of Kufr that wish to suppress the message of Islam.

al-Hussein (ra) was a Muslim who tried to make a revolution in order to overthrow a corrupt Muslim ruler, most of the fighters on both sides were Muslims and many were new to Islam that they never knew al-Hussein (ra) or his virtues and rank, they treated him like a rebel, while others were hypocrites they knew of his rank and virtue, they even wrote him letters promising him to aid him but when he finally showed up they turned on him and killed him thinking that they would please the ruler and would be rewarded.

Salam,

[elapicearpisp]

Wa ´alaykum as-salam,

If you look closely, you will see that there is no real difference between the outcome of Sayyidina Musa (´alayhi as-salam), such as the splitting of the sea, and the sacrifice of Sayyidina al-Husayn (´alayhi as-salam). Both served as signs to differentiate between Haqq (truth) and Batel (falsehood), so that the Deen of Allah will be elucidated and made clear for everyone.

Allah (Ta´ala) said in Surah Anfal; 24:
يا ايها الذين امنوا استجيبوا لله وللرسول اذا دعاكم لما يحييكم واعلموا ان الله يحول بين المرء وقلبه وانه اليه تحشرون
"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and the messenger when He calleth you to that which there is life in it for you, and know that Allah cometh in between the man and his own heart, and that He it is unto Whom ye will be gathered."

He was calling them to Jihad. And while it is almost certaintly physical death, Allah (Ta´ala) still calls it life. It is but the beginning as they are granted a life that is better than this, the beginning of a life that is never to end.

Yazeed was a Fir´awn of his age, although he clothed himself in the garment of Islam, which is even more dangerous, as it is an enemy from within wishing to corrupt the pure teachings of Sayyidina Rasulu'Allah (salla'Llahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam). It required the blood of the noble household of Sayyidina Muhammad (salla'Llahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) for people to wake up and realize what was happening to the Deen (and the Ummah). The Prophet (salla'Llahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) said in a Saheeh Hadith, "Husayn is from me, and I am from Husayn". This is not a matter of blood relation, for that would be stating the obvious. Rather the Hadith of An-Nabi (salla'Llahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) carry profound meanings. It means that they uphold the same principles, and therefore (principally) they are the same. Therefore shedding the blood of Sayyidina al-Husayn was like shedding the blood of his blessed grandfather, salla'Llahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. That is the clear sign making Haqq manifest, clear for everyone to see, if they reflect.

wa'Llahu a'lam

wassalam

[BodeOmissemia]

[68AttendGem]

When Pharaohs army marched into the desert behind Moses and trapped them badly, as in front of them was the sea, to their back was the avenging army.
when their ranks got panic, Moses allayed their fears by reminding them to keep the faith to continue trusting Allah who would not let them down. and Allah made them a way out through sea.

When Prophet PBUH and his companion Abu Bakr (r.z) took shelter in the cave of Thawr. and when he r.z feared people - discovering them, he r.z was asked by Prophet PBUH, Don't be afraid Allah is with us. Allah helped them miraculously with that spider web.

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

Asl wr wb,
Sister this story came to my mind, so thought to share it with you

Once a christian came to Shah Abdul Aziz Ra. ( son of Shah Waliullah Ra) and asked him:
Your prophet Mohammad ( may peace be upon him ) was a favourite of Allah Swt and his prayers were answered.
He loved his grandson dearly . Then why did he not ask Allah Swt to save him during the battle of Karbala from being martyred ?

Shah Abdul Aziz Ra. analysing the situation tactfully answered the christian : Oh, Prophet did ask to save his grandson from being martyred but Allah Swt replied that since He could not save his own son ( Jesus ) from being crucified, how could He save his grandson : )

[Uhmavano]

When Pharaohs army marched into the desert behind Moses and trapped them badly, as in front of them was the sea, to their back was the avenging army.
when their ranks got panic, Moses allayed their fears by reminding them to keep the faith to continue trusting Allah who would not let them down. and Allah made them a way out through sea.

When Prophet PBUH and his companion Abu Bakr (r.z) took shelter in the cave of Thawr. and when he r.z feared people - discovering them, he r.z was asked by Prophet PBUH, Don't be afraid Allah is with us. Allah helped them miraculously with that spider web.

Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala too, why then Hussain and his companions were been martyred with dreadful wounds?
why were not they helped out? he had the strongest faith and Tawakkul AlalAllah indeed. And who has firm believe in Allah, he can never be harmed by anyone, Allah is there with them.

First my sister, Hussain was not a prophet or messenger of Allah.
Thus, his fate was NOT tied to the specific revelation of the Message from Allah whereas if he died, the Message would end uncompleted.

Second, what do you mean "Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala"? Allah is NOT in this dunya. His Power is expressed in every facet of life. And certainly Allah loved Hussain as the Prophet loved him.
But Allah was NOT there in the Battle, literally.

Third, the Help, aka Victory of Allah does NOT automatically go to those who are the strongest believers- it is NOT as simple as A + B = C when Believer = A and B = war, then C always = Nasr/Victory. This is NOT the reality. many believers have been killed and died in war and many battles were lost. Why did so many believers die in the battles against the Quraish and Ghatafan, or at Mutah and Hunain and Khyber, or during the Ridda war or against the Persians and Romans?

Jihad at warfare is a specific form of worship which requires different standards from daily life.
And the outcome of warfare is not necessarily tied only to the belief of the Muslims.


Fourth, when the Prophet said Allah was with them in Thawr, he meant Allah SWT supported them and protected them and was on their side. But Allah (SWT) completed His Mercy to mankind and provided Islam as the guidance for believers. Thus, after its completion, it became the responsiblity of the believers to fulfill the duties of Islam in order to follow it.
Karbala was a result of treachery committed by the people of Kufa against Hussain bin Ali .
Hussain did not go to Iraq to wage a battle to gain power, he went to accept the bay`ah of the people of Kufa. He could have gone with a large army, but he didnt want that. But the people (predecessors of the Shia) betrayed him and left him alone and surrounded. Yazid sent an entire army to capture him and stop him from accepting bay`ah.

In terms of warfare, the odds were far against Hussain, as he wasn't even trying to wage war.
So in fact, Karbala was a conflict by happenstance.
And it was unlike the Prophet's migration, as the he had strategically planned events, whereas Hussain was surprised by events.

In reality, the issue is about Allah's Plan. Shiism emerged in large part tied to the martyrdom of Hussain . And Shiism has been a sect that has contributed to conflict and treachery of the Muslim Ummah for centuries because some people accept forming a sect in defiance of Allah. Hussain was martyred, receiving the highest of ends. Hussain accomplished the highest achievements.

As for the results of Karbala, they are part of history.

[BodeOmissemia]

Asl wr wb,
Sister this story came to my mind, so thought to share it with you

Once a christian came to Shah Abdul Aziz Ra. ( son of Shah Waliullah Ra) and asked him:
Your prophet Mohammad ( may peace be upon him ) was a favourite of Allah Swt and his prayers were answered.
He loved his grandson dearly . Then why did he not ask Allah Swt to save him during the battle of Karbala from being martyred ?

Shah Abdul Aziz Ra. analysing the situation tactfully answered the christian : Oh, Prophet did ask to save his grandson from being martyred but Allah Swt replied that since He could not save his own son ( Jesus ) from being crucified, how could He save his grandson : )

To debate the truth, tells us, how to do it with Hikmah.

brother for the share.

[BodeOmissemia]

First my sister, Hussain was not a prophet or messenger of Allah.
Thus, his fate was NOT tied to the specific revelation of the Message from Allah whereas if he died, the Message would end uncompleted.

Second, what do you mean "Allah was there in the Battle of Karbala"? Allah is NOT in this dunya. His Power is expressed in every facet of life. And certainly Allah loved Hussain as the Prophet loved him.
But Allah was NOT there in the Battle, literally.

Third, the Help, aka Victory of Allah does NOT automatically go to those who are the strongest believers- it is NOT as simple as A + B = C when Believer = A and B = war, then C always = Nasr/Victory. This is NOT the reality. many believers have been killed and died in war and many battles were lost. Why did so many believers die in the battles against the Quraish and Ghatafan, or at Mutah and Hunain and Khyber, or during the Ridda war or against the Persians and Romans?

Jihad at warfare is a specific form of worship which requires different standards from daily life.
And the outcome of warfare is not necessarily tied only to the belief of the Muslims.


Fourth, when the Prophet said Allah was with them in Thawr, he meant Allah SWT supported them and protected them and was on their side. But Allah (SWT) completed His Mercy to mankind and provided Islam as the guidance for believers. Thus, after its completion, it became the responsiblity of the believers to fulfill the duties of Islam in order to follow it.
Karbala was a result of treachery committed by the people of Kufa against Hussain bin Ali .
Hussain did not go to Iraq to wage a battle to gain power, he went to accept the bay`ah of the people of Kufa. He could have gone with a large army, but he didnt want that. But the people (predecessors of the Shia) betrayed him and left him alone and surrounded. Yazid sent an entire army to capture him and stop him from accepting bay`ah.

In terms of warfare, the odds were far against Hussain, as he wasn't even trying to wage war.
So in fact, Karbala was a conflict by happenstance.
And it was unlike the Prophet's migration, as the he had strategically planned events, whereas Hussain was surprised by events.

In reality, the issue is about Allah's Plan. Shiism emerged in large part tied to the martyrdom of Hussain . And Shiism has been a sect that has contributed to conflict and treachery of the Muslim Ummah for centuries because some people accept forming a sect in defiance of Allah. Hussain was martyred, receiving the highest of ends. Hussain accomplished the highest achievements.

As for the results of Karbala, they are part of history.

for expanding that clearly.. Alhamdolillah I am enough clear about my query.

May Allah (swt) put ease in your affairs. Ameen.

[Sellorect]

Can a muslim become a martyr fighting another muslim?

[KeettyGlots]

Can a muslim become a martyr fighting another muslim?

It's not allowed for Muslims to fight other Muslims, unless it is clear that they are the transgressing party and after attempts at peace fail because one party rejects peace then Allah ordered us to fight that party until it returns to the right path, only then can you be a Shaheed.

[Sellorect]

what is the punishment if a muslim wages war on another muslim without a just cause?

[KeettyGlots]

what is the punishment if a muslim wages war on another muslim without a just cause?

No Muslim would wage a war on another Muslim without a just cause, if a "Muslim" waged a war of aggression against other Muslims without any cause then he is not a Muslim but a hypocrite and if he kills them then his punishment in this life is death according to Shari'ah.
The life of a Muslim is more important to Allah than the destruction of the Ka'abah.