[pharmablogger]

UIA malaysia or al-azhar ?

Malaysia FTW. Especially if you're a shafii, I'd rather recommend living and studying in Malaysia, it's one of the only few places on earth where religious scholarship is seen with utmost respect.

[Creva4k]

Malaysia FTW. Especially if you're a shafii, I'd rather recommend living and studying in Malaysia, it's one of the only few places on earth where religious scholarship is seen with utmost respect.

I'm not sure that particular university should be favored over al-Azhar. It seems to allow free mixing.

[estelle]

Some relevant quotes from Shaykh Dr. Mansur 'Ali on this very forum:

"Assalamualikum, Dear all, my name is Mansur Ali, yes the centre of this debate, I see that a lot of misinformation is being exchanged.

First of all I would like to say to brother pehlawan khan, that getting admittance into Al-azhar has nothing to do with the level of knowledge one has. As rightly mentioned by soofi saheb, it’s to do with the nature of the relationship between your institution and Al-azhar.

Darul Uloom Bury had a muadala (equivalence) with Al-azhar from 1986 to 2004. I was lucky enough to get in. Now it has expired, however, we are in the process of renewing the contract.

The reason we get admitted in the 3rd year is because a lot of the books taught at alazhar are not taught in Darul Uloom Bury. Books related to the auxiliary sciences of hadith, therefore we have to study those subjects. I am not the only one to have gone through this system, scholars the likes of Dr. Chandia also had to enter into the 3rd year.

From my experience I would say that a graduate of Darul Uloom is of the level of an MA student at al-azhar and no further. This can be consolidated by the fact that students from nadwatul ulaama and some students from Bangladeshi madaris get into the MA program, because their madaris has incorporated into the syllabus some of the subjects that are taught at the upper BA level at al-Azhar.

The MA at al-azhar is very intense with a pass rate of only 25%, the amount of work that they make you do and the research methodology that they teach you cannot be compared with any darse nizaami system. They teach you how to do independent research on hadith, meaning how to come to your own conclusion concerning the strength of a hadith. They teach you how to edit manuscripts. This is not taught in the darsee nizaami system. Very few ulama from the darse nizaami system know how to edit manuscripts or do dirasatul asanid, the few notables who are able to do this are Maulana Habibur Rahman Azami, Maulana Taqi Uddin Nadawi, Maulana Mustafa Azami, Maulana Diyaur Rahman Azami, however, all of these ulama have doctorate degrees from al-azhar University.

This does not mean that I am condescending the darse nizaami, the darse nizaami is a very good system in the sense that they give you a taste of all the different disciplines in Islam, it is up to an individual to then go and further his knowledge. There is no comparison between a 3rd year Azhar student and a Darul Uloom Graduate. At al-azhar when we were studying the philosophical thoughts of Imam Ghazzali, most of the students thought it was quantum physics, because they were never introduced to this level of knowledge before, however for us it was a piece of cake, especially after studying sharh Aqaid an-Nasafi. Also it is true, the in the darsee nizaami system we get to read much more hadith than the azhar system, however, the azhar system has taught me to how to do systematic research in hadith.

As far as great ulama like mufti Abdur Rahman are concerned, and I personally know Mufti saheb because I found him as a student at darul uloom Bury, and I also got the privilege of putting the irab vowels on his book zaad ut talibin, then such scholars like him can be put on the doctorate level, because of their talent, knowledge and command over the language.

Just to answer brother idrees, it does not matter where you study as long as you put the effort in. I know some students who graduated from Darul Ulooms, but to our utter shame, these guys can’t even read the quran by looking into the mushaf.

As far as sheikh Faraz's article is concerned then I can guarantee that it is irrelevant to Al-azhar University, because although al-azhar University has tables and chairs and has become modernized, it is still one of the most t prestigious universities in the world for traditional Islam, the same adaab are taught in the class. The teachers care for the students, the students have the uttermost respect for the teachers and so on. The sheikh’s article is relevant to the western universities where Islam is taught. Where authority is not highly praised, on the contrary originality is esteemed.

As far as the memorization is concerned, then at al-azhar it is a requirement for every Arab student that by the time they graduate with a BA they should have become hafiz of the quran, and for none Arab students it’s the first 8 Juz. Few subjects such as hadith mawdui, hadiths need to be memorised, that’s about it. Also the Doctors teach their own books, however these books are simplified and extended versions of primary sources. However, this is not to say that classical sources are not studied, in MA in the faculty of Hadith, a critical analysis is done of the classical sources.

To brother Omar, I would like to advice that if you decide to take Islamic studies at a western university, then please make sure the foundation of you religious knowledge is firm, because the university system is very devious in the name of scholarship, take this advice from some one who has studied at a British university. You can take the few good things that they teach such as research techniques.

hope this answers some of the questions, take care everyone wassalam "

"Br. Mansy, Jazakillah for the clarification, it was most enlightening.

Just a question: At al-azhar is the female university seperate to the males? And are the teachers female teachers too? Do you have any idea of the quality of education on the female side?
Assalamualaikum sister, jazakillah for your query. Yes the female section is completly segregated. In fact it is 3 miles away from the main boys campus. (The main Islamic campus is in Darrasa [Islamic Cairo] where as the girls campus is in Nasar City 3 miles away). Yes all the teachers are female. However I have seen female students taking private lessons (in the public Al-azhar library) with some of the elder shuyukhs, like our teacher and hadith master Sheikh Dr. Mustapha Abu Umara.

As for the quality of education then I can't really give you any informed knowledge, however I did come across few exceptional PhD theses written by some of the female PhD students from Al-Azhar. hope that partially answers your question
sorry
wassalam "

"Assalamualaikum, brothers and sisters. Just few questions. Have anyone of you studied at al-Azhar? Have anyone of you studied at al-Azhar and a darse nizaami madrasa aswell? have the ulama whom you have quoted (Mufti Nawal saheb) studied at al-Azhar? If the answers are no, then your opinions are not informed. You can only make an informed opinion if you have studied in both the places. Please do not make comments about something you have no knowledge and experience of, intellectual tiptoeing is not healthy.

@ brother Yahya bahi, You were not given access to the uni not because of your beard and attire, but because you weren't a student. Even when i forgot my student ID once or twice i was not granted access (although the guard knew me). Also the security is very tight during exam times. Whats wrong with that?

About the mosque courtyard being dirty when it rains, well it is outside! and how many times does it rain in Egypt? FYI the mosque gets cleaned twice daily.

The only sad thing is the clothing of the students which you pointed out, well let me tell you the situation in Egypt. Al-Azhar is the only uni in Egypt which is free (at least islamic studies are). Most of the students studying there are from poor background who really have no interest in Islam. The only reason they study at al-Azhar is because if they didn't study they will have to serve in the Army for 4 years. Al-Azhar being the only uni free is their one and only escape route.
The serious student, studying for deen comes in the traditional islamic dress. Also every Arab student who graduates from Al-Azhar is a Hafiz of the Quran, no exception. For the non-Arabs its only the first 8 juz. How many madrasas can boast that. Students who don't want to even study islam are forced into becoming huffaz, if thats not the case, its four years in the army. You will also be suprised to hear that most of the people in Egypt look down upon at al-Azhar, not because it is Islamic, or it has produced non-traditional scholars, but because it is the uni for the poor and lower class of egyptian society. Hope things are more clear to you
wassalam

Maulana Mansur Ali
Certificate in Islamic Studies (Darul Uloom Bury)
BA in Hadith studies (Al-Azhar University)
MA in Hadith Studies (University of Manchester)
PhD In Hadith studies (pending, University of Manchester)
Lecturer of Arabic and Islamic studies (University of Manchester)

p.s i'm not bragging, just making a point. "

"Brother Yahya I'm not going to argue with you. You made a point, I also made a point, just to show to the rest of the brothers and sisters that there are two sides to this coin.

Brother Mospike, I will tell you about one teacher of ours. His name is Allama Musa Shahin Lashin. He is the author of Fathul Mun'im sharh sahih Muslim (which he wrote in 22 years). This commentary is one of the best i have seen, it caters for the need of the normal person as well as the scholars'.

The Sheikh is retired now, and is known by the name of ustaadh al-asaathidha or sometimes sheikh al-kull. Out of the many things that he told us, we asked him about how he spends his time. He replied that every day he writes a minimum of 15 hours..subhanallah. At the moment he is doing some new research into sahih al-Bukhari, something the sheikh says that no one has done before and he is the first one. what the nature of this work is, then it is a bit too technical (i don't want to go into it).

Thats all for now, i may tell you about some of my other teachers some other times inshallah.

wassalam
Mansur "

"Depends what you define as wrong, it also depends on what platform you stand. For example a deobandi might find a barelwi fatwa regarding the Prophet to be wrong and vice versa.

You have to understand that alot of the fataawa that comes out from the research centre of Al-Azhar are an attempt to facillitate and make things easy for the people of today, even if that means that they have to go against the 4 madhhabs. Sheikh Ali Jumma (chief Mufti of Egypt and a great scholar) says that we try not to go out of the 4 madhhabs, but when it is necessary then we do digress from the madhhabs and may give a fatwa according to the opinions of Ibn Hazam (al-Madkhal fi al-Madhaahib, page ?? someone is borrowing my book at the moment therefore i can't confirm the page). Now this looks wrong according to the ulama who believe that it is not jaa'iz to go out of the madhhab. And obviously the fatwa based on this mode of thinking will also be wrong. A very good example is Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi who has been heavily criticised recently. But the criticiser is on one platform and the sheikh is on another platform, therefore they will never see eye to eye. Hope that makes sense.

wassalam.
Mansur "

[BypeVupyide]

I'm not sure that particular university should be favored over al-Azhar. It seems to allow free mixing.

Absolutely correct...I am not just Malaysian but had many close friends who is lecturer there...May be nearly half of them, doing PhD in UK...That should tell something if one really one to study Islam unless one want certificate for duniya purpose.

[BypeVupyide]

UIA malaysia or al-azhar ?

It's UIA that I mention before, in my original post that you quote.

[vigraxtru]

http://www.studyinegypt.org/tiki-ind...ng+at+Al-Azhar

Introduction to Studying at Al-Azhar

Information on studying at Al-Azhar University has been compiled on this wiki for Western Muslim students considering applying to the university for Islamic studies. This information can be used by non-Western students as well, although some of the advice is not applicable to non-Westerners.


Why Study at Al-Azhar University?

Al-Azhar University is considered to be one of the oldest universities still in use today. Many great scholars in Islamic history have studied at this institution. There is much knowledge available at and around Al-Azhar University, and there are many scholars in Cairo of different backgrounds and ideologies that a stud

Al-Azhar University provides a balanced and diverse environment for students from all backgrounds. Although the university officially has a particular ideology, many students and teachers follow different and even opposing ideologies. This is one of the few institutions in the Muslim world that has this diversity.

Cairo is a developed city, and it is fairly easy for a Western student whether married or single to live comfortably and focus on studies rather than the environmental challenges that face students elsewhere. Egypt is a very welcoming country for Westerners, and it is easy for a student to travel to. The cost of living is not very high, and the attending the university is practically free.

The university itself allows all students to take the entrance exams, so a student does not have to rely on an arbitrary selection process to get into the university. If a student works hard and passes all of the exams, then the student is allowed to enroll in studies.


Who Should Study at Al-Azhar University?

When a Western Muslim envisions the idea of studying Islam at a place such as Al-Azhar University, he/she tends to imagine that studying overseas is romantic and enjoyable, and will lead to an inevitable increase in one's faith. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Studying Islam in place such as Al-Azhar is very difficult, and a student will face many challenges and be tempted to leave without completing the course of study. As with any degree program, studying at Al-Azhar is for specific people who have specific goals. There are many other institutions in Egypt in which a student can get a general understanding of Islam and Islamic studies in a shorter period of time with less difficulty.

The first question a prospective student should ask themselves is "Why do I want to study at Al-Azhar?" If the answer is for any worldly benefit, then Al-Azhar is not the place for him/her. If the answer is to argue with those who hold a different opinion, then Al-Azhar is not the place for this person either. If the answer is to get a basic understanding of Islam or to learn Arabic, there are other places that offer this education much more efficiently. If the person is interested in becoming a scholar of Islam, whether in the field of Islamic law, or Tafseer, or Hadeeth, or Da3wah, then Al-Azhar is an appropriate place to learn. Al-Azhar University is also a good place to learn for a student who wants to be an imaam of a mosque or wants to pursue higher education in Islamic studies in the West or the East.


Disclaimers for those Interested in Al-Azhar

There are caveats that a student interested in studying at Al-Azhar should be aware of. The first is that although Al-Azhar has a rich history, the institution is not at its peak and has flaws in its organization at this time. There are political and historical reasons for this, as well as a lack of available funding. There are tens of thousands of students in the Azhari system, yet studying at the university is extremely cheap.

Prospective students should be patient and be willing to face challenges. They should not expect that everything in terms of the education and the administration in the Azhari system will go smoothly, as Egypt is a developing country. The Azhari system reflects the issues that the rest of the country is facing.

Although the curriculum is excellent, a student should expect that some of the curriculum needs to be studied privately outside of the university to supplement the shortcomings in the university itself. Cairo is full of scholars, and there are many qualified people to sit with to learn these subjects outside of the university, both privately and at other institutions.
A student must understand that a portion of his/her learning will occur outside of the university, and must be willing to put the effort to accomplish this.

All of these challenges are increased for women interested in attending Al-Azhar, because the Ummah in general lacks qualified female scholars and teachers.

These challenges are also present in most of the other Islamic universities and institutions around the world. Cairo does provide an environment where many of these challenges can be dealt with, if the student is willing to put in the effort. Students who are willing to put in effort and struggle in learning for the sake of Allah benefit greatly in Al-Azhar and in Cairo.

[pharmablogger]

I'm not sure that particular university should be favored over al-Azhar. It seems to allow free mixing.

Well I don't know about a particular University, but Maulana Adil khan sahib( son of Maulana Saleemullah Khan sahib damat barakatuhu ) and his sons have moved to Malaysia and they find it very nice . They're also teaching there near KwalaLampur. If you want, I can try to contact them and see what university would be better.

[Edifsdubs]

Salam Aleikum Brother,

I see on your Name that you are a german brother, right?

Falls du das Verstehst - wovon ich ausgehe - Schreibe mich bitte an (Schreib einfach:"Wie gehts?" dann weiß ich bescheid ;-)), Ich brauch deine Hilfe Inshaallah. Meine E-Mail Adresse lautet: furkan.oezmen@gmx.net

jezak Allah khair

Salam aleikum

[Edifsdubs]

I can testify to that as well.

You'll never see a beard on an azhar graduates face. Perhaps because of the government. It's not a good place to learn islam. But as was mentioned, i WOULD recommend going to another school in egypt.

Salam Aleikum Brother,

I see on your Name that you are a german brother, right?

Falls du das Verstehst - wovon ich ausgehe - Schreibe mich bitte an (Schreib einfach:"Wie gehts?" dann weiß ich bescheid ;-)), Ich brauch deine Hilfe Inshaallah. Meine E-Mail Adresse lautet: furkan.oezmen@gmx.net

jezak Allah khair

Salam aleikum

[Paybeskf]

There was a Lion of Islam in India one decade back -I think he was a student of Al azhar university.
His name was Palani Baba(orginal name Ahmad Ali) who hails from TamilNadu

He was a Lawyer by profession & held doctorates in many fields. Government used to send him to jail for a week, He will give Dawah in jail and bring 6 muslims in the fold of Islam. If they extend - then more Muslims converts.

He has converted 50+ pastors to Islam in a single meeting. When Indian Govt used to pass bills/law against Muslims, he would pass another law against Government & cleverly tackle it. Till date, he is the biggest inspiration to Tamil Muslim youths.

He has the complete Bible in his memory & he studied Original Vedas in Sanskrit too.

He made Dua to die in the path of Allah. Allah accepted and he was martyred by Hindu Terrorists.

[BethelKleinman]

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[giltoros]

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[TamiSchall1]

It seems to me that getting an education in Malaysia is a good idea for everyone, not just religious people, because for the first semester, foundation students study three days a week, Mon, Wed, Fri, two or three pairs a day. A lot of free time, even too much, plus an unusual amount of public holidays for us and, as a result, holidays. All training material is presented as presentations in PowerPoint. Students are very easy to learn thanks to presentations of the material, there are almost no students who buy essays from services such as "do my essay" service https://cheetahpapers.com/essay/do/ because they can write an essay on their own without any outside help. The material after the lecture appears on the university’s website, according to which the student must “absorb” the material. The assignments given to students are also prepared by students in the form of presentations and essays. If a student needs any books, he can borrow from the university library, for a fee. Daily or hourly payment, depending on the book.

[jeni]

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