[tadacia]

TNTJ is not from salafi group, because they don't follow or take opinion or respect a single salaf-us-salih.

AGAIN.....! Just by shouting will not cause any benefit brother,.. You are saying the fish is flying..

[tadacia]

Stop listening to PJ, he is creating fitnas. One jamaat which came to bring 4 madhabs into 1, now whats the result --> His group become 10 - 15 groups in Tamilnadu everyone accussing each other.

I have not listened to PJ yet.

[tadacia]

A hardcore Salafi group in TamilNadu,

No they are not from salafi group but they are 80% - 85% similar.

India who speak ill of Ulemas, Madhabs and even they speak ill of Sahabas. No you are not correct they always speak good only.

Now they are spreading towards Srilanka, England, France. "Masha allah" let them spread deen.

They have created lots of fitna. No they have not created any fitna..

Its better to avoid them Ok as your wish, if you want to avoid them no one will stop you. carry on.

[tadacia]

who are the TNTJ?

salam brother
They are touhid jamath group, actually i met a person from touhid jamath, i usally used to discuss with him regarding islam.. To clear my doubts regarding my conversation with him i have logged on here....

[adactthrd]

AGAIN.....! Just by shouting will not cause any benefit brother,.. You are saying the fish is flying..

Listen to his bayan on the topic 73 sects in Islam. In this speech he has openly called a sahabi as criminal and degraded many sahabas

[adactthrd]

No they are not from salafi group but they are 80% - 85% similar.



No you are not correct they always speak good only.



"Masha allah" let them spread deen.



No they have not created any fitna..



Ok as your wish, if you want to avoid them no one will stop you. carry on.

If you have time visit JAQH. They will tell you TNTJ is a fitnah that too from Quran and Hadith.

[adactthrd]

No they are not from salafi group but they are 80% - 85% similar.



No you are not correct they always speak good only.



"Masha allah" let them spread deen.



No they have not created any fitna..



Ok as your wish, if you want to avoid them no one will stop you. carry on.

Then you should also know one thing that touhid jamath has split into many group which can't be counted. If they are speaking only good and not spreading fitnah, then why this group has be been split into various group? Why the people who follow only from Quran and Hadith are against TNTJ?

[tadacia]

Then you should also know one thing that touhid jamath has split into many group which can't be counted. If they are speaking only good and not spreading fitnah, then why this group has be been split into various group? Why the people who follow only from Quran and Hadith are against TNTJ?

Ok leave it as it is.....
If you are in quran and sunnah i am with you only i am not with touheed jamath
first of all try to solve my question what i have asked i want to reply to that guy that quran has proved black magic, i have to give him daleel.....

[tadacia]

If you have time visit JAQH. They will tell you TNTJ is a fitnah that too from Quran and Hadith.

Insha allah i will try if it is fitnah also i dont care because they cant misguide me insha allah.....

[tadacia]

Listen to his bayan on the topic 73 sects in Islam. In this speech he has openly called a sahabi as criminal and degraded many sahabas

Pls give me link in which "who" has called sahabi Radhi allahu anhu as criminal and degraded many sahabas radhi allahu anhu.

[adactthrd]

Ok leave it as it is.....
If you are in quran and sunnah i am with you only i am not with touheed jamath
first of all try to solve my question what i have asked i want to reply to that guy that quran has proved black magic, i have to give him daleel.....

Brother amr123 has provided you the verse of quran as answer at starting of the thread, in which there is an example of separating husband and wife.

I will repeat here again

The Ayahs in which its mentioned that Allah send the Angels Harut and Maroot to teach 'Sihr' (Black Magic) to the people. The following Ayah's revelation also has a background story, The Jews used to falsely accuse Prophet Sulaiman of using Black Magic, so the Ayah was revealed to clear Sulaiman's name also.

They followed what the Shayatin (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaiman (Solomon) . Sulaiman did not disbelieve, but the Shayatin (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Harut and Marut but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, “We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us). “And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah’s Leave. And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their own selves, if they but knew. And if they had believed and guarded themselves from evil and kept their duty to Allah, far better would have been the reward from their Lord, if they but knew!. (Al-Baqarah, 102, 103)

[HonjUopu]

the funny thing about the TNTJ group is -
1. The speaker(leader) tells people not to wear caps, but he wears it while giving the speech.
2. One guy from this group who is not a Ulema/Imam/qualified person once stood in a gathering of 1000s of people and was telling how to make Salah.
3. If you tell the group something related to deen, they will immediately ask proof from Quran and Hadith.
4. For one Eid they prayed on the same day as Saudi Eid and showed a hadith proof, for the next Eid - Saudi Eid was on day1, muslims in india celebrated on day2 as per their local moon, they had Eid on day3 & they showed some proof of hadith. LOL!!!!

Some of their fatwas are really funny. Its better to avoid them in Sunniforum too. They always think Islam is based on rulings and regulations.

As per one Scholar - In Tamil Nadu, Islam came through Arab traders/merchant's Akhlaq(character). Thats why many tamil muslims forefather's would have adopted Islam & now we are blessed and benefited. Thanks that this ignorant/low IQ group was not there at this time; else they would have asked proofs for everything & stopped Islam from entering in our lands.

[tadacia]

the funny thing about the TNTJ group is -
1. The speaker(leader) tells people not to wear caps, but he wears it while giving the speech.

You have not mentioned the name and link.

2. One guy from this group who is not a Ulema/Imam/qualified person once stood in a gathering of 1000s of people and was telling how to make Salah. If we agree you are true also then what is wrong with that?

3. If you tell the group something related to deen, they will immediately ask proof from Quran and Hadith. If i tell you to climb 4th floor with broken ladder will you climb with out examining the strength of the ladder?

4. For one Eid they prayed on the same day as Saudi Eid and showed a hadith proof, Ok what you did after seeing the valid proof have you prayed on same day or on next day?

for the next Eid - Saudi Eid was on day1, muslims in india celebrated on day2 as per their local moon, they had Eid on day3 & they showed some proof of hadith. LOL!!!! If they showed valid proof then what's problem?

Some of their fatwas are really funny. Which fatwas?

Its better to avoid them in Sunniforum too. Sunniforum is for all, it is not for you and me only, if you think also you can not avoid.....

They always think Islam is based on rulings and regulations. what's that?

As per one Scholar - In Tamil Nadu, which scholar? you have not mentioned the name.

Islam came through Arab traders/merchant's Akhlaq(character). Thats why many tamil muslims forefather's would have adopted Islam & now we are blessed and benefited. Thanks that this ignorant/low IQ group was not there at this time; else they would have asked proofs for everything & stopped Islam from entering in our lands. Dont hate unnecessarily that much to any one, who knows who is correct and who is wrong.... Next time before saying something to some one keep valid proof with you ok?

[HonjUopu]

Again you are asking proofs, if you know about this group; then you would have known these facts too. Its waste of time replying to you.

[tadacia]

Again you are asking proofs,

Brother do you think our deen is so "cheap" whoever gives whatever we should take it without asking any proofs???

We do not purchase even a Ball pen before writing and checking it, then how do you expect us to accept it what ever you say without asking for a proof brother?

if you know about this group; then you would have known these facts too. It is not right to ask any one person to judge the entire group is good or bad.

Its waste of time replying to you. I am not in support of any group or in against of any group. I am just in search of truth always.

[HonjUopu]

How Abu Bakr RA became muslim. Our Rasool saw was an Al Amin before prophethood with a good Akhlaq.

My grandfather in India is 90 years old, till now he stands and offers his salat & works to earn little bit of money in this age. If you ask him proof of some sunnah he cant bring reference from Hadith books. Rather he would just tell that I learnt from a old knowledgeable man in my village before 80 years. There are lots of old people in India like that, if you check their Akhlaq(character) with hadith book it matches. But now unfortunately, people who read Sahih Hadith loudly from pulpit violate it the next day.

You better stop asking for proofs. Nowadays some modern people think that they are reforming Islam and can teach the old people Islam with Sahih Hadith. Always know one thing, they are better than us as there are lots of fitna in our period.

In tableegh jamaat, they wont pay importance to where and how you are placing your hand, rather they want people to come to the masjid and offer their 5 times Salah. I know some groups who want to over-smart others and start finding mistakes in other's Salah, fiqh & even term them as Kafirs.

Allah knows the best.
Again Islam is not about rules, regulations - Its the complete way of life as shown by Rasool saw.

[bactrimtab]

Assalamu alaykum

Brother do you think our deen is so "cheap" whoever gives whatever we should take it without asking any proofs???

We do not purchase even a Ball pen before writing and checking it, then how do you expect us to accept it what ever you say without asking for a proof brother? You mean to say that deen WAS cheap during the first century, no one asked for proof.

I am not in support of any group or in against of any group. I am just in search of truth always. Just join the group which had scholars, muhadditeen, mufassireen, pious followed and with their knowledge, they approved what they followed.

[tadacia]

You better stop asking for proofs.

If you say 2+2=4 i will surely not ask proof, if you say 2x2=4 i will not ask for proof, but if you say 2+2=8 then unless you dont proove it i will not believe it.

You respect your grandfather this is very good akhlaq.

You said in thread #33 "The speaker(leader) tells people not to wear caps, but he wears it while giving the speech." with out mentioning the name how should i believe you are truthful?

You said in thread #33 "As per one Scholar - In Tamil Nadu," but not mentioned the name of this one scholar, now how should i believe you are truthful?

What i mean to say is if you say something good about someone i.e. 2+2=4 then anyone will not ask for proof, but if you say something bad i.e. 2+2=8 then every one will ask for proof.

How Abu Bakr RA became muslim. Our Rasool saw was an Al Amin before prophethood with a good Akhlaq. Our Rasool S.A.W was an Al amin before prophethood with a good akhlaq.

But how should i believe you are truthful? we are sitting in internet, we have not seen each other, and your joining date is Jan 2012.

If you say touheed jamath people's are not good people then prove it... so that i can take that prove from you and fight with those peoples. And insha allah bring them to good. If they become good people you will not be happy??

[HonjUopu]

If you say 2+2=4 i will surely not ask proof, if you say 2x2=4 i will not ask for proof, but if you say 2+2=8 then unless you dont proove it i will not believe it.

You respect your grandfather this is very good akhlaq.

You said in thread #33 "The speaker(leader) tells people not to wear caps, but he wears it while giving the speech." with out mentioning the name how should i believe you are truthful?

You said in thread #33 "As per one Scholar - In Tamil Nadu," but not mentioned the name of this one scholar, now how should i believe you are truthful?

What i mean to say is if you say something good about someone i.e. 2+2=4 then anyone will not ask for proof, but if you say something bad i.e. 2+2=8 then every one will ask for proof.



Our Rasool S.A.W was an Al amin before prophethood with a good akhlaq.

But how should i believe you are truthful? we are sitting in internet, we have not seen each other, and your joining date is Jan 2012.

If you say touheed jamath people's are not good people then prove it... so that i can take that prove from you and fight with those peoples. And insha allah bring them to good. If they become good people you will not be happy??

I dont like to argue with you, go and clear your doubts with a qualified Ulema.

[tadacia]

Assalamu alaykum

Wa lai kum as salam

You mean to say that deen WAS cheap during the first century, no one asked for proof. At that time Rasool Allah S.A.W was alive so there was no need for proof.

But now it is not like that brother, we have to search in quran and hadith for truth.


Just join the group which had scholars, muhadditeen, mufassireen, pious followed and with their knowledge, they approved what they followed. I will not join any group, reason i will not tell you because i will not insult whole group because of any one scholar or any one person, If you are in quran and sunnah i am with you insha allah...