[verizon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4RK8bj2W0

[verizon]

These were the so called Muslim leaders of the 20th century

[Keeriewof]

Salaam alaikum,

I think that this brief clip brings to attention a deeper problem, which granted has changed recently al hamdulillah atleast some. Unless there was a law banning hijab as there have been in other Muslim countries, why wouldn't Muslim women wear hijab? Its not this fellows problem, he actually made a good point; the "religious" people calling for state imposed shari'ah and hudood can't even instill islamic values in their own children to the point that they would want to wear hijab in their own, Muslim country. What is a president who I believe claimed to be a secularist, do in such a case when the people don't want to follow the deen? Is he going to lock them up, punish them? What would he do? There are deep diseases in the hearts of many many Muslims, and these must be dealt with before the outward will become submissive.

[lapInsalm]

gamal abd an nasser has a point its there chice to where the hijab or not and he was not mocking the hijab he was lauging at the guy telling him to make poeple wear the hijab because his doughter dousnt where one

[aideriimibion]

gamal abd an nasser has a point its there chice to where the hijab or not and he was not mocking the hijab he was lauging at the guy telling him to make poeple wear the hijab because his doughter dousnt where one

aoa,

brother, islam has given choices to people in many places by making things optional and in many places there is no choice; as in it is not optional. the case of hijab falls into the latter category. it is a sin to leave it out, mock it and indeed stop others from wearing it
the scholars of islam have differed over the fardhiyat of the niqaab but all are agreed upon that the hijab is compulsory for women.
Allah knows best.

i hope you get the point.

[tadacia]

Slm,

There is no choice regarding the hijab (it's fard.) A muslim woman not observing hijab is openly commiting sin,(niqaab) is a matter of opinion but hijab...no.)

[Keeriewof]

Salaam alaikum,

So why say anything about secular leaders of Muslim countries, why aren't the women wearing it? This thread was started to try and point faults and accuse an individual of mocking something that is well known to be wajib, which entails that his iman is in question. The real question is, if Muslim women know that it is fard and wajib, and nothing is stopping them from wearing it, why anyone need to try and impose it on them?

[artofeyyy]

The issue here we have to ask to Ulama e Haq is that if a Muslim is in place of power leader authority is running the state then what is his greatest duty in that post? This is the first thing we have to find out.

[Keeriewof]

The issue here we have to ask to Ulama e Haq is that if a Muslim is in place of power leader authority is running the state then what is his greatest duty in that post? This is the first thing we have to find out.

But if that person who is in power is saying they are secular, and will run the country based on secular rules, why would he care at all what ulama have to say? The real point is and this is the key, if Muslim women are not forced by law to remove hijab, and the country they are in is over whelmingly Muslim, and they can easily wear hijab without issue, why would they not wear it? If they don't care what the Qur'an is saying clearly, why would they care about what ulama have to say?

[Maserati]

The issue here we have to ask to Ulama e Haq is that if a Muslim is in place of power leader authority is running the state then what is his greatest duty in that post? This is the first thing we have to find out.

Firstly , kick out usury and the international bankers , I think. Why ? Check this ?

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire
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Secondly, promote spirituality. Why ? Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-self-destruct
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Thirdly, develop military technology and a powerful military. Why ? Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...er-is-Shooting
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Or, all these 3 in parallel.

[verizon]

But if that person who is in power is saying they are secular, and will run the country based on secular rules, why would he care at all what ulama have to say?

Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers. Quran 5:44

[Keeriewof]

Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers. Quran 5:44

so with this are you making takfir of the person in the video? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

[rozneesitcn]

so with this are you making takfir of the person in the video? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Gamal Abdun Nasser was a despicable kaafir, murtadd, enemy of Islam and the Muslims, one of the 'awliya of Iblees like Hafez al-Asad, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Muammar Qaddafi, Habib Bourgiba, and many others. So many.

[Keeriewof]

Gamal Abdun Nasser was a despicable kaafir, murtadd, enemy of Islam and the Muslims, one of the 'awliya of Iblees like Hafez al-Asad, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Muammar Qaddafi, Habib Bourgiba, and many others. So many.

There is no doubt?

[verizon]

so with this are you making takfir of the person in the video? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Gamal Abdel Nasser adhered to two unislamic ideologies (secularism/socialism) i respect him for his brave struggle against Western capitalism and Colonialism and his wars against the Israeli's but he did adhere to two unislamic ideologies with regards to Takfir i am not aware of any scholar declaring the verdict of kufr on him if you can show me wich scholars did i would be grateful.

[verizon]

so with this are you making takfir of the person in the video? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The verse is clear.

[rozneesitcn]

There is no doubt?

Gamal Abdun Nasser tortured and murdered people whose only crime was educating Muslims and calling to the Shari'ah, and he legislated secular laws.
Hafez al-Asad was an Alawi and he murdered 30,000 Muslims in Hama.
Kemal Ataturk abolished the Shari'ah courts and instituted secular law and declared himself an atheist in private.
Muammar Qaddafi removed 'Qul' from Surah Ikhlaas, mocked the hijab, declared the Sunnah not-obligatory-to-follow, said he would let the Vatican come do tawaaf around the Ka'ba, and more.
Habib Bourgiba appeared on television during Ramadan, drank a glass of orange juice, and told everyone that 'a modern country cannot stop for 30 days a year.' Also he was an evil secularist.

No doubt at all, no.

Akhi Farouk, being secularist is kufr, because it repudiates explicit ayahs of the Qur'an, like al-Ma'idah 33, and at-Tin 8.

[verizon]

Akhi Farouk, being secularist is kufr, because it repudiates explicit ayahs of the Qur'an, like al-Ma'idah 33, and at-Tin 8.

I agree with you 100% but as a layman i am not familiar with the conditions of making Takfir i know that anyone can declare Takfir on a person who rejects things that are known by the whole community for example the prohibition of drinking alcohol or the prohibition of eating pork etc but for the more particular issues i think we should refer to scholars a while ago i saw videos of Shaykh Abdul Hamid Kishk criticizing Gamal Abdel Nasser and Muammar Qaddafi but when it comes to specific Takfir i am not aware of any scholars referring to Gamal Abdel Nasser as a murtad.

[replrobin]

Salam alikum,
the interesting thing is that even Nasser was hater of mulilms, in this particular point he was right, if we disregards his sarcastic smile. As this speech is only fragment of what he was doing - in the end - his comment on muslims in regards with this speech is shameful - taking his actinng and his policy as a whole.

w alikum assalam

[verizon]

Salam alikum,
the interesting thing is that even Nasser was hater of mulilms, in this particular point he was right, if we disregards his sarcastic smile. As this speech is only fragment of what he was doing - in the end - his comment on muslims in regards with this speech is shameful - taking his actinng and his policy as a whole.

w alikum assalam

Nasser was a practising Muslim and in his Philosophy of the Revolution he recognised that Egypt had three main spheres of action: the Arab world, the Islamic countries and Africa. But his Arab nationalist ideology was essentially secular and both at home and abroad he was wary of using Islam politically. His fiercest opponents inside Egypt were the Muslim Brothers. He was also aware of the divisive effect of politicised Islam on inter-communal relations in Egypt where the Christian Copts form a substantial minority of some four million. One of Nasser's chief reforms was the abolition of special religious courts administering the Sharia Islamic law in matters of personal status. When Sadat himself, partly under pressure from Saudi Arabia but also in response to conservative Muslim opinion in Egypt, introduced new Sharia-based legislation, it provoked a violent reaction from the Copts.

Under Nasser, Sadat had been secretary-general of the Islamic congress, Nasser's sop to international Islamic sentiment. Nasser saw attempts by Saudi Arabia to set up an Islamic alliance as an American- inspired move to undermine and replace the Arab League under his leadership. He also politely resisted attempts by Pakistan to promote Islamic political unity because of the effect on his relations with India, as a leader of the non- aligned movement. His influence among the non-aligned was more important to him than Islamic solidarity.

http://www.historytoday.com/robert-s...resident-egypt