[EnvellFen]

Gangohi Sahib says that their (Najdis) beliefs are excellent. How excellent can be seen in the writings of the Principal of Deoband, Husain Ahmad Sahib t Tandvi Madni, who has listed, serially, examples of the beliefs of the Najdis in F his book, Ash Shahaubus Saaqib! These are:

"Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahaab believed that people all over the world and all Muslims were polytheists and infidels. (Page 44)

The Najdis believed, and his followers still believe, that the lives of Prophets (Alihumus Salaam) were limited to the times during which they lived upon this earth. Thereafter, in death, they and other faithfuls are equal. (Page 45)

This group holds that having a vision of the blessed Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and visits to his blessed tomb are bad innovations and unlawful. He also holds as unlawful even journeying in that direction for this purpose. According to some of them, even journeying for the sake of paying a visit to the blessed tomb is like committing fornication. May Allah save us from such evil thoughts! (Page 45)

The Wahaabis use most insolent language in respect of Prophethood and the person of the holy Prophet himself (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and, in their insolence, claim to be the equals of the personality of the holy Prophet, and, according to them, only a little benefit accrued from him during the times he was preaching the Messages of Allah, and no benefits flowed from him after his passing away. And because they think so, they consider as unlawful praying for Allah's forgiveness through his intercession. Their elders also said that praying for Allah's forgiveness through his intercession was unlawful. (May Allah save us from having such thoughts)! But, perhaps, it may be permissible to reproduce such thoughts, for merely reproducing blaspheming words does not by itself constitute blasphemy). They also said that the staff in a man's hand was of greater advantage to him than the glorious personality of the king of the universe (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), for with a staff in his hand one can defend himself from a dog while the personality of the pride of the universe (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) cannot do even this much for him. (Page 47)

The Wahaabis are against performing mystic rites and sophistic practices-meditating, engaging in the remembrance of Allah and thinking about Him, owing allegiance to spiritual guides and the whole system of spiritual guides, and having a mental rapport with the spiritual guides, believing in the doctrine of annihilation and permanent life etc. etc In their view, al' such things are of no consequence, bad innovations and demeaning. (Page 59, Ash-Shahaubus Saaqib)

In Wahaabi belief, following any particular Imam is considered to be blasphemy against the Prophet, and they use wretched and wicked words for the four Imams and their followers, and thus they are alienated from the Ahl-e-Sunnat-Wa-Jama'at and so the non-emulators of India belong to this wicked group. While they claimed to be Hanbalee when they first appeared on the scene, but in many matters they do not follow Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal (Alaihir Rahmah)�(Page 62, Ash-Shahaabus Saaqib).

Through verses Ar-Rahmaanu 'Alal 'Arshis Tawa etc, the Wahaabis try to prove that Allah physically occupies a throne and also make out His dimensions and, therefore, His bodily presence. - (Page 24, Ash-Shahaabus-Saaqib)

The Wahaabis of Arabia have often been heard to harshly denounce the expression, "As Salaatu was Salaamu Alaika ya Rasoolal Laah" (Peace and salutation to you, O Allah's Messenger)", and most scathingly condemn and ridicule its use, and hurl most unbecoming language against the people of the Haramain who use such an expression.�(Page 65, Ash-Shahaabus-Saaqib)

The wicked Wahaabis harshly denounce sending repeatedly peace and salutation on the mercy to the worlds, and consider reciting Dalaa'ilul Khairuat, Qaseedah Burdah and Qassedah Hamziyah and such like as most detestable and unwarranted. They also consider some couplets of Qaseedah Burdah to be downright blasphemous, as for example the couplet:

Ya Ashrafal Khalqi Maali Man Aloozu Bihi Siwaaka Inda Huloolil Haadisil 'Amami (O. the best of creations! I have no one To look up to in perilous times like these) (Page 66, Ash Shahaabus Saaqib)

Except for the knowledge by him of Allah's commands, the Wahaabis think the personality of the Last of the Prophets (Alaihis Salaatu Was Salaam) to be devoid of all hidden and true knowledge. (Page 62, Ash-Shahaabus Saaqib)

The Wahaabis consider the narration of the birth of the king of the universe (Alaihis-Salaatu-Was-Salaam) itself to be a most reprehensible act and a very bad innovation". (Page 67, Ash-Shahaabus Saaqib)
Dear readers' the above-mentioned eleven beliefs held by Ibne Abdul Wahaab Najdi and his followers have been listed by the Principal of Deoband, Husain Ahmad Sahib Tandvi Madni, which in the sight of Gangohi Sahib are excellent beliefs. It is, therefore, proved that most foul, most wicked and altogether blasphemous beliefs are reckoned by him to be excellent ones and the excellent and Islamic beliefs are, in his eyes, polytheistic and innovative. What an amazing feat of perverted thinking!

[RalfDweflywex]

Except for the knowledge by him of Allah's commands, the Wahaabis think the personality of the Last of the Prophets (Alaihis Salaatu Was Salaam) to be devoid of all hidden and true knowledge. (Page 62, Ash-Shahaabus Saaqib)

sorry are you saying that the Prophet had knowledge of the unseen independantly of Allah's will?

[RalfDweflywex]

can you post actual quotes from the book instead of your understanding of the quotes please.

is there a link to this book to read online?

[HonjUopu]

Wahabis in the eyes of Deobandi - thread started by Barelvi

[EnvellFen]

can you post actual quotes from the book instead of your understanding of the quotes please.

is there a link to this book to read online?

pls buy the books they are available from pakistan

[rozneesitcn]

Stop arguing with this person, he's never going to come around to your way of thinking no matter how idiotic his beliefs are. He's going to copy and paste 'alahazrat' articles until he gets banned again.

[RalfDweflywex]

Stop arguing with this person, he's never going to come around to your way of thinking no matter how idiotic his beliefs are. He's going to copy and paste 'alahazrat' articles until he gets banned again.

banned again? who was it before?

[rozneesitcn]

It was StrengtheningMyDeen and then some other barelwi sounding name.

[HonjUopu]

I think its better to ignore him. Even if we ban, this Barelvi will come in different forms.

[irrascaft]

What book is it ? Is the book called Ja Al Haq?

[RalfDweflywex]

pls buy the books they are available from pakistan

can you post the scans?

[irrascaft]

can you post the scans?

Do you know what book it is?
I have a feeling it may be what his username is called.
If so I have a copy floating about somewhere, I can always scan and post.

[rozneesitcn]

What book is it ? Is the book called Ja Al Haq?

Yes, he's named after the book by the Barelwi Mullah Ahmed Yaar Khan.

Allamah Sarfraz Khan Safdar replied to numerous points made in 'Ja al Haq' in his excellent work, The Path of Sunnat. I recommend reading it.

[RalfDweflywex]

hang on. wait. i just remembered.

SMD came on the forum with multiple user names pretending to be someone else so that he could back himself up and make it seem like he had people supporting him. when he was asked, he blatantly lied and denied being the same people. i think it was for this reason he was originally banned.

does he really expect people to accept the words of a liar???

[EnvellFen]

can you post the scans?

i am unable to post scans as i do not have the equipment, the quotes i provided are from one book called ashahabus saaqib there is many more quotes but i will leave you to ponder on these

as for quandary whats hes problem go to a salafi forum

at least brelwis are similar to deobandis

[rozneesitcn]

hang on. wait. i just remembered.

SMD came on the forum with multiple user names pretending to be someone else so that he could back himself up and make it seem like he had people supporting him. when he was asked, he blatantly lied and denied being the same people. i think it was for this reason he was originally banned.

does he really expect people to accept the words of a liar???

He expects people to accept the words of Ahmed Raza Khan, so yes.

*rim shot*

[EnvellFen]

He expects people to accept the words of Ahmed Raza Khan, so yes.

*rim shot*

dont slander scholars behind a keyboard

[rozneesitcn]

dont slander scholars behind a keyboard

I dare you to read all these excellent replies to the stupid lies of Ahmed Raza in Husam al-Haramayn.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post639252

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post639652

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post643764

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post641474

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post641668

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post642584

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post642773

You never will, of course. Salud.

[RalfDweflywex]

i am unable to post scans as i do not have the equipment, the quotes i provided are from one book called ashahabus saaqib there is many more quotes but i will leave you to ponder on these

as for quandary whats hes problem go to a salafi forum

at least brelwis are similar to deobandis

i misunderstood your opening post. i thought you got those quotes from the original books of the salafis. barelwis are known liars as you have displayed in the past. if it is from your books then dont even bother.

and deobandis are not similar to barelwis and different from salafis. we are somewhere inbetween.

[RalfDweflywex]

at least brelwis are similar to deobandis

how can you even say that when you scholars class the deobandi scholars as kafirs???

seriously man you are a joke.