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Old 01-24-2012, 09:08 PM   #1
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Salam to everyone

Say: “In the bounty of Allah, and his mercy;- Therein let them rejoice.” That is better then what they Amass.

(Syrah Yunus, Verse 58)


16 mufassireen have written that the mercy mentioned in this verse is the holy prophet alayhi salatu waslam. so is celebrating the milad correct and if the mercy mentioned in the verse is not the messenger of allah (alayhi salatu waslam) then who is it and is there any bigger mercy to mankind than rahmatal lil alamin him self (ayhi salatu waslam?)

jazak allah
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:16 PM   #2
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Salam to everyone

Say: “In the bounty of Allah, and his mercy;- Therein let them rejoice.” That is better then what they Amass.

(Syrah Yunus, Verse 58)


16 mufassireen have written that the mercy mentioned in this verse is the holy prophet alayhi salatu waslam. so is celebrating the milad correct and if the mercy mentioned in the verse is not the messenger of allah (alayhi salatu waslam) then who is it and is there any bigger mercy to mankind than rahmatal lil alamin him self (ayhi salatu waslam?)

jazak allah
hahaha!
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:17 PM   #3
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Salam to everyone

Say: “In the bounty of Allah, and his mercy;- Therein let them rejoice.” That is better then what they Amass.

(Syrah Yunus, Verse 58)


16 mufassireen have written that the mercy mentioned in this verse is the holy prophet alayhi salatu waslam. so is celebrating the milad correct and if the mercy mentioned in the verse is not the messenger of allah (alayhi salatu waslam) then who is it and is there any bigger mercy to mankind than rahmatal lil alamin him self (ayhi salatu waslam?)

jazak allah
(1) Millions of people used to think that sun went round the earth. One astronomer came and neutralized that.
(2) To rejoice is to be happy, it does not entail adoption of happy birthday to you.

And if you are not convinced then know it that you are responsible for your actions and we are amongst those who have warned you of not introducing innovations in Islam.
And Allah(SWT) knows better.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:22 PM   #4
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(1) Millions of people used to think that sun went round the earth. One astronomer came and neutralized that.
(2) To rejoice is to be happy, it does not entail adoption of happy birthday to you.

And if you are not convinced then know it that you are responsible for your actions and we are amongst those who have warned you of not introducing innovations in Islam.
And Allah(SWT) knows better.
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i did not say we should do milad by doing 'happy birthday' so please do not say this. so if by doing melaad we are happy then is it ok?

may allah give us hidayah
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:23 PM   #5
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hahaha!
laugh but remember 'one who laughs last laughs longest'

jazakallah
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:29 PM   #6
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brother
i did not say we should do milad by doing 'happy birthday' so please do not say this. so if by doing melaad we are happy then is it ok?

may allah give us hidayah
Brother kindly read birth day celebrations in place of happy birthday in my post.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:56 PM   #7
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Salam to everyone

Say: “In the bounty of Allah, and his mercy;- Therein let them rejoice.” That is better then what they Amass.

(Syrah Yunus, Verse 58)


16 mufassireen have written that the mercy mentioned in this verse is the holy prophet alayhi salatu waslam. so is celebrating the milad correct and if the mercy mentioned in the verse is not the messenger of allah (alayhi salatu waslam) then who is it and is there any bigger mercy to mankind than rahmatal lil alamin him self (ayhi salatu waslam?)


for authentic clarification of the Ayat read Quranic tafseer...Authentic source is Tafseer Ibn katheer
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:10 PM   #8
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for authentic clarification of the Ayat read Quranic tafseer...Authentic source is Tafseer Ibn katheer
so far nobody has been able to explain why we shouldn't rejoice the birth of the mercy to mankind and nobody will be able to do so till the day of qiyamah. from this ayah we realise that milad un nabi is not a biddah, it was performed by the prophet himself aswell as the sahabah as it was ordered in the quran to rejoice.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:18 PM   #9
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so far nobody has been able to explain why we shouldn't rejoice the birth of the mercy to mankind and nobody will be able to do so till the day of qiyamah. from this ayah we realise that milad un nabi is not a biddah, it was performed by the prophet himself aswell as the sahabah as it was ordered in the quran to rejoice.


As i mentioned it earlier to read tafseer/summary of the Ayat..u will find the meaning in-depth of each word. Don't mix any birthdays or any other days with this Ayat. First read the tafseer patiently then u will be able to judge what is right and what is wrong.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:20 PM   #10
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قُلْ بِفَضْلِ ٱللَّهِ وَبِرَحْمَتِهِ فَبِذَلِكَ فَلْيَفْرَحُواْ هُوَ خَيْرٌ مِّمَّا يَجْمَعُونَ }

Say: ‘In the bounty of God, and in His mercy, in that let them rejoice…’That is, in the profession of His oneness and in His Prophet Muḥammad , just as He said: We did not send you except as a mercy to all the worlds [21:107].His words, Exalted is He

this is some aqwaal of the scholars


Allama Jalaaluddin Suyuti (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "The Shari'ah commanded Aqeeqah on the birth (of a child). This is a way to thank Allah and rejoice, but on the time of death no such commandment has been given. In fact, mourning and grieving is prohibited. The same principle of Shari'ah demands that happiness and the joy should be expressed in Rabi-ul-Awwal on the birth of the beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and not grieve on his Wisaal (Departure from this world)". (Husnul Maqsad Fee Amalil Moulid Al Haawi Lil Fatawa)

Imam Suyuti (radi Allahu anhu) writes about Meelad: "According to me, gatherings, recitations of the Quran, mentioning incidents of the holy life of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and mentioning those signs which appear at the time of his birth are amongst the good innovations in which a person is rewarded because in this there is respect, love and expression of happiness for the arrival of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)". (Al Haavi Lil Fataawa)

Imam Qastalaani (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "In the month of the birth of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) Muslims always had assemblies. In the nights of that month they gave charities and expressed happiness. They always increased good deeds in those nights. They always made arrangements to read the Meelad of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) with the auspicious (hope) that Allah Ta�ala showers His blessings upon them. One of the experienced Barakah (blessing) of Meelad is that the year passes upon them peacefully. May Allah Ta'ala send His Blessings and Favour upon that person who took Meelaad-un-Nabi as Eid, so this Eid should become reason of hardness upon that person who has disease in his heart". (Mawahe bul Le Dunya)

Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Delwi (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "All Muslims have always celebrated Meelad functions in the month of Rabi-ul-Awwal. They always gave charities in the nights of that month and expressed their happiness. This is a common practice of Muslims that they particularly make mention of those incidents which are related to the birth of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)". (Ma Sabata Bis Sunnah)

Mullah Ali Qari (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "Firstly, we see that it is permissible to arrange an assembly of Meelad. It is permissible to participate in that assembly for the purpose of listening to the praises and character of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Inviting people and expressing happiness is permissible. Secondly, we do not say that it is Sunnah to celebrate Meelad on any fixed night. Anyone who believes that it is Sunnah to celebrate Meelad on any fixed night (and not in any other night) is a Bid'ati because the Zikr of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is required all the time. Yes, in the month in which Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was born, has more preference". (Al Mouridur-ravi fil Moulidin Nabi)

yet still there is doubt that meelad is a bidat and is wrong

WHY CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN?
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:53 PM   #11
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jazak allah khair brother for the nice explenation. your effort cleared a long time doubt from my mind may allah SWT bless you
wassalam
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:56 PM   #12
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There are many people who today said that milad is a biddah and was not celebrated by the sahabah

To understand this statement we must understand what meelad is. Meelad is none other than showing happiness to the fact that allah blessed us with the prophet s.a.w. Showing happiness can be done in many ways it can be calling a gathering and teaching people about rasool allah s.a.w itcan be reciting durood upon the prophet s.a.w or even fasting or reading nawafil or thanking allah. So if people say that this is biddah and not celebrated by the sahabah can they prove that the sahabah didn't do anything to thank allah for the prophet s.a.w?

JAZAK ALLAH BROTHER YOLDASH
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:18 AM   #13
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THOSE WHO SAY READ IBN KATHIR R.A ON THE AYAH I SAY READ THIS

Imam Ibn Kathir (radi Allahu anhu) has said in the book "AlBi'dayah" Vol.13, p. 136: "Sultan Muzaffar used to arrange the celebration of the Meelad Shareef with honour, glory, dignity and grandeur. In this connection he used to organise a magnificent festival". Then he said in praise of that man: "He was a pure-hearted, brave and wise Aalim (Scholar) and a just ruler, may Allah shower His Mercy upon him and grant him an exalted status."

I ASK THOSE PEOPLE TODAY THAT QUESTION THE MEELAD THAT WOULD YOU PRAISE A PERSON WHO INNOVATES BIDAAT E DALALAH( A BAD INNOVATION) THE WAY THAT IMAM IBN KATHEER HAS? THE ANSWER IS NO YOU WOULD NEVER PRAISE A MUBDATI BUT FROM THIS IT IS PROVEN THAT MEELAD IS NOT A EVIL INNOVATION AND EVEN IBN KATHEER AKNOWLEDGES THAT MEELAD IS NOT WRONG AND IS NOT A BIDDAT.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:34 AM   #14
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Is it sunnah? If so..could u provide atleast even a single Authentic hadeeth to refute ur claim..
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:39 AM   #15
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sometimes in the house of Rasool saw there was no food. Rasool saw lived a simple life.

Using his name, if we arrange big vans, trucks wave big flags. Play music on the streets. Will Rasool saw like this act?
Did he expect this from this Ummah?
please clarify..
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Old 01-25-2012, 03:53 AM   #16
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THOSE WHO SAY READ IBN KATHIR R.A ON THE AYAH I SAY READ THIS

Imam Ibn Kathir (radi Allahu anhu) has said in the book "AlBi'dayah" Vol.13, p. 136: "Sultan Muzaffar used to arrange the celebration of the Meelad Shareef with honour, glory, dignity and grandeur. In this connection he used to organise a magnificent festival". Then he said in praise of that man: "He was a pure-hearted, brave and wise Aalim (Scholar) and a just ruler, may Allah shower His Mercy upon him and grant him an exalted status."

I ASK THOSE PEOPLE TODAY THAT QUESTION THE MEELAD THAT WOULD YOU PRAISE A PERSON WHO INNOVATES BIDAAT E DALALAH( A BAD INNOVATION) THE WAY THAT IMAM IBN KATHEER HAS? THE ANSWER IS NO YOU WOULD NEVER PRAISE A MUBDATI BUT FROM THIS IT IS PROVEN THAT MEELAD IS NOT A EVIL INNOVATION AND EVEN IBN KATHEER AKNOWLEDGES THAT MEELAD IS NOT WRONG AND IS NOT A BIDDAT.
You're StrengtheningMyDeen.

What the scholars REALLY said about that deviant innovator who innovated the Mawlid celebration:

The celebration of the mawlid is an innovation in religion. Neither was it the practice of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم nor did the companions or tabi’een celebrate this occasion. The great scholar, Allamah Anwar Shah Al-Kashmiri (May Allah Ta'ala be pleased with him) has said,

وأحدثه صوفي في عهد سلطان إربل سنة ( 600 ) ، ولم يكن له أصل من الشريعة الغراء

العرف الشذي شرح سنن الترمذي - (2 / 82 مؤسسة ضحى للنشر والتوزيع)

“A sufi innovated it in the era of Sultan Irbil around the year 600 A.H, and it does not have any basis in our pure Shariah.”

Scholars state that the first person to introduce the innovation (bid'a) of celebrating the Milad was the ruler of Irbil, Muzaffar ad-Din ibn Zain al-Din. This was six centuries after the period of prophet hood.

Allaamah Muizzuddin Hasan Khwaarzimi (rahmatullah alayh) states in his book, Al-Qawl al Mu’tamad,

“The Ruler of Irbal, King Muzaffar Abu Saeed Kaukari, was an irreligious and prodigal king. He ordered the scholars of his time to act according to their opinions and discard the practice of following any school of law. A group of learned men inclined towards him. He (this king) organized Mawlood sessions during the month of Rabi al Awwal. He was the first king ever to introduce this practice.”

A ‘scholar’ by the name of Abul Khattab Umar bin Hasan bin Dihya Al Andalusi supported and assisted the king in this innovation.

Allamah Ibn Kathir (May Allah Ta'ala have mercy on him) has reported on the authority of As-Sabt about this person,

قال السبط: وقد كان كابن عنين في ثلب المسلمين والوقيعة فيهم، ويتزيد في كلامه فترك الناس الرواية عنه وكذبوه

(البداية والنهاية - 13 / 169دار إحياء التراث العربي)


“Ibn Unain (Ibn Dihya) used to insult the Muslims and vilify them. He would make additions in his report and exaggerate. The people stopped narrating traditions from him and falsified him.” (Al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya, 3/144-146)

Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani (May Allah Ta'ala have mercy on him) has commented on him,


وكان ظاهري المذهب كثير الوقيعة في الأئمة وفي السلف من العلماء خبيث اللسان أحمق شديد الكبر قليل النظر في أمور الدين متهاونا

(لسان الميزان - 4 / 296مؤسسة الأعلمي للمطبوعات – بيروت)

“He was a follower of the Zahiri school of thought and often slandered the scholars and the scholars of the past. He possessed an evil tongue and was stupid, self-conceited, lacked insight in religious matters, and looked down upon religion.” (Lisan al-Mizan, 4/296)
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:46 AM   #17
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You're StrengtheningMyDeen.

What the scholars REALLY said about that deviant innovator who innovated the Mawlid celebration:
1- so is the quote I provided by ibn kathir r.a a lie? if no then why?

2- so was the sahabah or tabein never happy about the birth of rasul allah s.a.w?

3- did the sahabah never read durood, teach people about islam and thank allah for prophet s.a.w?

4- are all the scholars i quoted below liars?if no why did they speak about the mawlid in such way?

5- where is mawlid forbidden in the quran or sunnah?

please answer these questions before you move on

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Old 01-25-2012, 04:50 AM   #18
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1. Yes, it was a lie or misattributed by the web-site alahazrat or wherever you, StrengtheningMyDeen, are copy-pasting your barelwi trash from these days.

I'm not going to argue with you, StrengtheningMyDeen, because it is like arguing with a brick wall or with a sack of potatoes. Also, it will be wasted when you are banned for making a third account.
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:53 AM   #19
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sometimes in the house of Rasool saw there was no food. Rasool saw lived a simple life.

Using his name, if we arrange big vans, trucks wave big flags. Play music on the streets. Will Rasool saw like this act?
Did he expect this from this Ummah?
please clarify..
brother there are some people who do this and they are jahil, but we should educate such people and not abandon a very good act such as themilad.

i mentioned before that being happy within the limits of shariah is also meelad, and as for those who play music imam ahmad ridha khan r.a was against music and qawalli anyway so agin this is done out of jahiliyah.

did the prophet s.a.w expect the ummah to go against the ayah of the quran in surah yunus verse 58? and did he s.a.w expect the ummah to say that the mercy mentioned in this ayah is not him s.a.w even though he s.a.w is rahmat alil alamin?
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:54 AM   #20
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i mentioned before that being happy within the limits of shariah is also meelad, and as for those who play music imam ahmad ridha khan r.a was against music and qawalli anyway so agin this is done out of jahiliyah.
Mods, please ban this person, it is StrengtheningMyDeen a.k.a. the person who copies and pastes articles from alahazrat and then precipitates 8 billion page threads.
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