[rusculture]

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullah

I was speaking to my friend the other day, and she told me that she attended a lecture by Yasir Qadhi who said that the poem Qasidah Burdah is shirk.

I wanted to know is it really shirk? Apparantly the Prophet (saw) is praised excessively. I would appreciate it if a scholar answers my question Insha Allah.

Jazakallahu Khairan

Wassalam

[Gooracouppy]

this is what Yasir Qadhi says on the AlMaghrib forum

Salaam Alaikum

Yes, there is much in the poem that is praiseworhty and beautiful. In fact, certain sections will even move you to tears.

However, that doesn't change the fact that there is blatant shirk in all three categories of tahweed in that poem: shrik in ruboobiyyah, uloohiyyah and asma wa sifaat.
Therefore, the poem should not and cannot be read except to correct these exceses.
As for the alleged story of how the poem was written, the Prophet (saw) would not appear to anyone and praise him had he written soemthing of shirk. It is only the mystics who base their religion on dreams and fairy-tales; as for the true Muslm, he has the Quran and authentic Sunnah as his only true guides.

BTW, just so no one things I haven't read the poem or am passing judgments w/o any knoweldge:
An example of shirk in ruboobiyyah is the stanza:
"And of your generosity is the (creation) of the Wolrd and its co-wife (meaning the Hereafter)..." Here it is as if the World and the Hereafter was created from the generosity of the Prophet (SAW).

An example of Shirk in Asma wa sifaat:
"And part of your knowledge is the knowlege of the Tablet and the Pen..." So PART of the knowledge of the Prophet (SAW) is the knoewledge that is encompassed in the LAwh al-Mahufdh - the tablet that has EVERYTHING written on it!! and that is only 'part' of his knowledge!! Compare this mystic poem with the authentic hadeeth in Bukhari where a young girl said "And we have a prophet who knows what will happen tommorrow.' to which the Prophet (SAW) said, "Leave this (bit), and say the rest of it."

Example of shirk in uloohiyyah:
" And who else there, besides you, who I can call out, at times of distress and problems?" Umm... how about our Creator, the only one the Prophet (SAW) HIMSELF would turn to at times of distress??

The poem is a prime example of over-praising the Prophet (SAW) and putting him ina place where even he himself would not like. We will discuss it more in Aqeedah 101 insha Allah.

Yasir http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?p=55463

on another post he says

Salaam Alaikum

I understand your concerns, and also feel your sincerity.

Really what I have said in the previous posts is enough: the wording is quite clear in my opinion, and if someone wishes to interpret it as 'poetic license', in all honesty I do 'see' their point of view even if I do not agree with it.

We have in the example of the Companions and the early generations of Islam the best model to demonstrate our love. Why not popularize the poems of Hassan b. Thabit or al-Shafi'ee or others of their generation? And even more importantly, why didn't they have such 'poetic license' which borders on shirk and without doubt is over-exageration? It never ceases to amaze me that those who ascribe themselves to the 'tradition' are always so far from the tradition of the first few centuries of Islam.

Lastly, I quoted this before, and I'll quote it again: when the little girl versified in her poem, as reported in Sahih al-Bukhari, 'And we have in our midst a prophet who knows what will happen tommorrow', why did not our beloved Rasul himself overlook this 'poetic license', and let her sing her innocent poem? Instead, he asked her to remove this line from her poem.
Imagine if he had heard al-Busayri's line (and people are free to interpret it as they please, but the Arabic is crystal clear), 'And of your knowledge is the knowledge of the pen and tablet'.

Exaggeration, especially in the status of holy people, is the primary road to shirk. Read the verses in the Quran pertaining to Jesus, and also the hadeeth that we quoted about him as well. The language of the Quran and sunnah is the most eloquent, and praises the Rasul salla Allahu alayhi wa salaam in the best manner. Why not stick with it and not go beyond the bounds it has demarcated for us?

Yasir http://forums2.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?p=188567

[Buincchotourb]

Salaam all - It amazes me how ignorant we have become - how one even thinks of making a statement like 'excessive praise of the prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him)' - when Allah (swt) and the Angels have praised the prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) - Allah says: Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation. (Al-Ahzab Verse 56) - who can ever think to have praised the messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) enough.

Allah knows best!

[vdw4Epsi]

Salaam all - It amazes me how ignorant we have become - how one even thinks of making a statement like 'excessive praise of the prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him)' - when Allah (swt) and the Angels have praised the prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) - Allah says: Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation. (Al-Ahzab Verse 56) - who can ever think to have praised the messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) enough.

Allah knows best!

How can someone say something like that? Praising Prophet (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam) is a part of imaan. Every mumin should have Love for Sayyiduna Rasulallah (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam). & if we truly believe about Qasida Burdah then the gift(burdah) was from Rasulallah (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam). When he himself was pleased then why should we not read it.
i completely disagree, & throughout the world ulamas, pirs and murids are reciting it Everyday.

[Loonerisav]

salam alaykom


http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/arch...php?t-278.html

[Gooracouppy]

How can someone say something like that? Praising Prophet (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam) is a part of imaan. Every mumin should have Love for Sayyiduna Rasulallah (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam). & if we truly believe about Qasida Burdah then the gift(burdah) was from Rasulallah (Salalallahu alayhi wa sallam). When he himself was pleased then why should we not read it.
i completely disagree, & throughout the world ulamas, pirs and murids are reciting it Everyday.

I think maybe, just maybe Yasir Qadhi means to the point of Shirk and not in terms of how long thats why gives the examples which he gave . You know you can go to Al maghrib forum you can ask Yasir Qadhi yourself as to what he was trying to say.

Qasida Burdah then the gift(burdah) was from Rasulallah Thats if we believe Imam Busiri.

O and before any one calls me a Wahhabi well i am not, infact i just recently looked into what they say about things . I just think Yasir Qadhi has a point. Ought we not draw the line at Shirk, in terms of showing our Love for Muhammad SAW, even if it may just be down to interpret as Shirk is not something which is small?

[rusculture]

salam alaykom


http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/arch...php?t-278.html

Jazakallahu Khairan

[Loonerisav]

Maulana Ilyas said: "'Ulama should read the Qasida Burda and the Shiyam al-Habeeb with respect and honor; otherwise, without respect and longing, it will be of no use. From reading the Shiyam al-Habeeb, the reality of Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam's position and rank becomes evident. With the Qasida Burdah, attachment (with Rasulullah Salallahu Alayhi Wasallam) is established."


http://al-ihsaan.blogspot.com/2007/0...lyas-with.html

[ringtonesmannq]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Bilal Phillips & Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) see SHIRK in Attahiyyat which was taught to Sahaba (RA) by Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and reported in in Saheeh Bukhari:

This is ***Shirk!***


التحیات للھ والصلوات والطیبات
السلام علیک ایھا النبی و رحمة اللھ و برکاتھ
اسلام علینا وعلی عباداللھ الصالحین
اشھد ان لا الھ الا اللھ و اشھد ان محمد عبدہ و رسولھ
Translation: All services rendered by words, by acts of worship, and all good things are due to Allah. Peace be upon you,0 Prophet, and Allah's mercy and blessings. Peace be upon us and upon Allah's upright servants. I testify that there is no god but Allah and I testify that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger

Evidence:'Abdullah Ibn Masud (RA) said: While observing prayer behind the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) we used to recite: Peace be upon Allah, peace be upon so and so. One day the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said to us: Verily Allah is Himself Peace. When any one of you sits during the prayer. he should say: All services rendered by words, by acts of worship, and all good things are due to Allah. Peace be upon you,0 Prophet, and Allah's mercy and blessings. Peace be upon us and upon Allah's upright servants, for when he says this it reaches every upright servant in heaven and earth (and say further): I testify that there is no god but Allah and I testify that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger. Then he may choose any supplication which pleases him and offer it. [Bukhari]

Shaykh Yusuf Estes sees shirk in the statment when someone says, "I will grow a Beard"!

Yasir Qadhi famously labelled Shaykh Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki (RA) as the BIGGEST MUSHRIK and then apologised and retracted his comments when he couldn't defend hi emotional outbursts from Qur'aan and Sunnah.

So much for seeing Shirk in things and statements.

To top it all Yasir Qadhi's famous friend Tawfeeq Chawdry openly calls for Muslims Scholars to particpate in the famour war on Terror which is REFUTED by scholars around the world!

I agree this isn't about being Wahabi or Sufi, its about being ignorant!

Qasida Burda has shirk but Scholars participating with Kuffar in war of "Terror" is absolute Tawheed...***GO FIGURE***

This is the intellectual and academic capacity & reality of people calling things Shirk and misguidence.

[Andromino]

The Qasidah Burdah is an amazing poem and a very detailed poem. If one reads the poem with dedication and love from the heart, then ones soul shall definatly feel an overwhelming sense of love for Allah and his Beloved Prophet (SAW) Insha'Allah.

It is very sad to see that these 'Scholars' of our time claim that anything they wish can be 'Shirk'; to the extent that they have declered 3 Categories of Tawheed, without any basis. As brother Muadh has stated, it is a matter of ignorance. Declering Something Shirk is something which requires major thought and analogy as to why this decision has been made. This so called scholar, May Allah Forgive him, has stated that it is Shirk due to his reasoning. Just look what he said:
"Exaggeration, especially in the status of holy people, is the primary road to shirk"

Where is the evidence of such a statement? In which part of the Qaseedah Burdah, does it exxagerate a normal human being? The Qaseedah Burdah exceptionally describes the love for our beloved Prophet (May Allah shower his blessings upon him). Nowadays, these scholars have set a limit of how much you can love our Prophet (SAW). This is a very sad and shocks me.

I do think that we should make these scholars understand 'Metorphorical'. When one studies the root of this word and goes to Collins Dictonary or Oxford Dictonary, one should understand what this word means. It sadens me when I see these biased 'Scholars' take one thing in account, and do not bother reading the account.

Shirk and Tawheed has been corrupted by these scholars, to the effect that it has changed many Muslims attidude towards the deen. People believe it is more harder to study Islam now more than before, even I have asked some of my personal friends. Listen to what Shaykh Sayyed Muhammed Bin An-Ninowy has to say about Tawheed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7aho...e=channel_page
May Allah guide those who innovate in Islam in such a topic. It is shocking as well as sadening.

In the day of Judgement, Our Beloved Prophet (SAW) shall take us to his pool to drink, due to his (SAW) indefinate love for his (SAW) Ummah. If you did not love our Prophet (SAW) once, what would be his (SAW) reaction to you? When our Prophet (SAW) is carrying out the intercession and begging for forgivness for you, and the Ummah, and you did not do a grain effort of loving our Prophet (SAW), what would the condition of yourself be? Would you be able to look at the beautiful eyes of our Prophet (SAW)? Would you be content of yourself?

Of course we Should love Allah Subhana Wa Tala indefinatly, and we should love our Prophet (SAW). Our Prophet (SAW) was the mercy to the worlds. If not for his amazing love, we would probably have landed ourselves into the Hellfire. Even a understanding non believer will understand that they should be immensly thankful if a person does this.

The Qaseedah Burdah is just one example of the immense love for our Prophet (SAW), there are much more. If you read the stories of the Real lovers of our Prophet (SAW), you will cry and you will be astonished without a doubt Insha'Allah. To the extent that they loved our Prophet (SAW) and Allah, is simply astonishing, and whoever calls this Shirk. May Allah guide them back to Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jam'ah. Alahumma Ameen Ya Raab.

May Allah forgive me if I have written arrogantly or have commited a mistake, Ameen.

[rusculture]

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Jazakallahu Khairan everybody for your posts, and Ameen to Brother Abd'Al-Muqtadir's du'a.

I really appreciate everybody's help. I needed to find something to show my friend in order that she understands. She's very confused at the moment, not knowing which path to take. I think for her, the arguments of these shaykhs make more sense, and she's more inclined towards "salafism." She's still debating on whether she should follow the hanafi madhab or the other scholars, so she's researching on that at the moment. She's been told to go for only the strong hadiths. I feel she is wasting a lot of her valuable time. Insha Allah make du'a for her.

Wassalam

[Andromino]

Sister, it is something that is bound to happen. When the society of Muslims turn towards being practicing Muslims, the first thing that is bound to happen is 'Salafism/ The followers of Najd'.
It is best if you do not let her study Islam by herself, it is a most likely even that she will enter the internet, and study from there on. Every 9/10 page in the internet, is pure Salafism and has a lot of corruption. I suggest you buy some books if you can, or if better, take her to a scholar who is local friendly and can try and explain to her. You should listen to her views first, and then refute them. You can ask SunniForum members to help you, or you can find decent articles on the internet, from sites such as SunniPath, SacredLearning.
If she still refuses to go back to Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jama'ah, it is her intention and it is Allah's Qadr. You have tried your utmost best, and you should leave it to Allah Subhana Wa Tala. We shall always make Dua'a to Allah, that he guides us back to the Straight Path, and back to the unity of Muslims, Ameen.
Take her away from these 'Shaykhs' slowly and do not force her. Keep on trying your effort, and you shall be rewarded Insha'Allah, and May Allah forgive this sister. Keep us updated Ukhtee Insha'Allah, and we shall try our utmost to help you and your friend.

[wooclosmercob]

Maulana Ilyas said: "'Ulama should read the Qasida Burda and the Shiyam al-Habeeb with respect and honor; otherwise, without respect and longing, it will be of no use. From reading the Shiyam al-Habeeb, the reality of Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam's position and rank becomes evident. With the Qasida Burdah, attachment (with Rasulullah Salallahu Alayhi Wasallam) is established."


http://al-ihsaan.blogspot.com/2007/0...lyas-with.html

Anyon know where I can get a absalote 100% authentic version of both these please. If its in book form with added commenatry,even better. English please. Like I said,needs to be a top translation.

[formobilagsw]

Anyon know where I can get a absalote 100% authentic version of both these please. If its in book form with added commenatry,even better. English please. Like I said,needs to be a top translation.

I guess for Shiyam al-Habib one should conact Maulana Bilal, since the following post is more than a year old.

http://attalib.blogspot.com/2007/11/...-al-habib.html

[plantBanceper]

Anyon know where I can get a absalote 100% authentic version of both these please. If its in book form with added commenatry,even better. English please. Like I said,needs to be a top translation.

Zam Zam Publishers in Pakistan have published an English translation and commentary of the Burdah by Khanqah-e-Shaykh Zakariyya in Lenasia (South Africa). As for Shiyam al-Habib , please also see:

Mawlana Muzaffar Husayn Kandhlawi was the nephew (brothers’ son) and student of Mufti Ilahi Bakhsh Kandhlawi, who in turn was a senior student of Shah ‘Abd al-‘Aziz Dehlawi and author of Shiyam al-Habib (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), a wonderful, brief and concise Arabic treatise on Shama’il. Hakim al-Ummat Mawlana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanawi incorporated it into his Nashr al-Tib fi Dhikr al-Nabi al-Habib (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). [1]

[1] It has been rendered into the English language by Mawlana Abdur Rahman Kolia of South Africa. It was published by Maktabah Mujaddid Alfe-Thani as ‘Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam - As If You Were Seeing him’ and is available in some UK bookshops (I personally saw it in Dawah Book Store in Leicester). http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2009/...of-the-elders/

I do have a spare copy that I bought from the same store. I would be more than happy to post it out to you.

[wooclosmercob]

Zam Zam Publishers in Pakistan have published an English translation and commentary of the Burdah by Khanqah-e-Shaykh Zakariyya in Lenasia (South Africa). As for Shiyam al-Habib , please also see:



http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2009/...of-the-elders/

I do have a spare copy that I bought from the same store. I would be more than happy to post it out to you.

Yes please. :jzk:

do we still not have PM function?

Hows the copy?

[plantBanceper]

Yes please. :jzk:

do we still not have PM function?

Hows the copy?

You can leave your address as a comment at www.zakariyya.wordpress.com if you want. The print is nice and clear, hardbound.

[Qutlsilh]

Is it this one?

http://www.al-inaam.com/library/Qasidah/qasidah_1.htm

[wooclosmercob]

Zam Zam Publishers in Pakistan have published an English translation and commentary of the Burdah by Khanqah-e-Shaykh Zakariyya in Lenasia (South Africa). As for Shiyam al-Habib , please also see:



http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2009/...of-the-elders/

I do have a spare copy that I bought from the same store. I would be more than happy to post it out to you.

Sorry brother, but I want to clarify something. have you got a spare copy of the qasidah burdah or shiyam al habeeb?

brother.ill put my email address on the site you linked and you can contact me via email through which i'll give my address. safer that way i think.

NU'AYM, IT'S DONE, IVE LEFT MY EMAIL ADD ON THAT SITE UNDER SECTION WHERE THE AUTHOR OF THE SHIYAM IS MENTIONED.

[wooclosmercob]

Can someone please clarify who actually wrote the book Shiyam Al Habib?


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