[Aw1HhC0m]

Anyone know what to do when someone routinely mispronounces fatiha? Many people do not know basic tajwid rules, like how to pronounce ayn, dha, dod, and make other obvious mistakes. I have noticed that my father and uncles from the subcontinent absolutely slaughters the fatiha.

[Assauraarguck]

wa 'alaikum assalam -

The person who is best at reciting should be leading the salat, so if you think you are better why don't you lead the salat?

If other people elect that uncle to lead salat and you had nothing to do with the decision, then it is not your responsibility, just pray ...

[Aw1HhC0m]

wa 'alaikum assalam -

The person who is best at reciting should be leading the salat, so if you think you are better why don't you lead the salat?

If other people elect that uncle to lead salat and you had nothing to do with the decision, then it is not your responsibility, just pray ...

Salam,

Good answer brother. I will do that but people might think I'm arrogant. But I guess in this situation there's a little bit of fighting the nafs to be the leader.

[SkatrySkith]

Keep in mind that you may offend a lot of people.
In the Shafi'i math'hab we recite the Fatiha behind the Imam, and it would make up for the mistakes of the Imam

[Geetiill]

Salaam
are they committing the mistakes of "Lehne e Jali" (لحن جلی), for example if someone pronounce [إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ] as [ایاكَ نَعْبُدُ] (without Tashdeed)?

[Aw1HhC0m]

Keep in mind that you may offend a lot of people.
In the Shafi'i math'hab we recite the Fatiha behind the Imam, and it would make up for the mistakes of the Imam

Yes, this is worrying. What should a Hanafi do then?

[Aw1HhC0m]

Salaam
are they committing the mistakes of "Lehne e Jali" (لحن جلی), for example if someone pronounce [إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ] as [ایاكَ نَعْبُدُ] (without Tashdeed)?

:wa:

I am not sure what Lehne e Jali is. They make mistakes such as making ayn as the same as hamza, dhal the same as zay, and adding an additional alif to a word, etc. as major ones. And whole bunch of minor mistakes - like mixing up the heavy and light letters.

[neotheMit]

If one of the scholars could answer a related question, that would be highly appreciated:

If someone recites fatiha wrong, to the point that
1. the recited word has altered meaning
2. the recited word has no meaning due to mispronunciation of letters

would it be better for the followers to not say ameen? or is it still better to say ameen?

[tobia]

Assalamu alaikum one of my ustadh i study tajweed with said that these kind of mistakes nullify the salah. i try to avoid praying behind people who i know can not recite fatiha and if i do pray with them i repeat salah

[ProomoSam]

If It can't change the situation, then in order to avoid possible fitnah, I pray behind such a guy, but repeat that Salah in case...

[Aw1HhC0m]

Salam,

Ok inshallah I will try to repeat the salah from now on until I can ask more knowledgeable people on what to do. If brothers have any more ideas please post.

Jazakallah.

[Sandvikla]

Theres 2types of mistakes you can make, minor and major, minor are makruh major are HARAAM.
Major mistakes are of 4 types.
1. In place of 1 letter reading a different letter, e.g instead of ain reading hamza.
2. In place of a harkat reading a different harkat,e.g reading a kasr instead of a dhamm.
3. Stretching something your not meant to therefore adding an extra alif onto something etc.
4. Not stretching something which your meant to therefore removing an alif etc.
Minor mistakes arw those that take away the beauty of the quran but dont alter the meaning, e.g reading a raa with an empty mouth when you should do with a full mouth.
If the imams an aalim then i dont repeat because he knows tajweed hes just lazy or cant for some reason. If hes not an aalim then i repaet because he probably doesnt know what hes reading.

[Pedsshuth]

If the imams an aalim then i dont repeat because he knows tajweed hes just lazy or cant for some reason. If hes not an aalim then i repaet because he probably doesnt know what hes reading. If he is lazy that does not excuse him from praying salah without proper tajweed...

Side question why is that so many of the ulema (or at least the ones i have prayed behind) from the subcontinent do not put major emphasis on tajweed during salah? on many occasions in the masajids in pakistan and even in the states i have noticed the imams making small mistakes habitually


wasalaam

[lzwha]

Most people including myself do not know tajweed. Does this mean that my salah is not valid? Do I have to repeat all my salah once I've learnt tajweed ?

[Tic Tac Took]

Most people including myself do not know tajweed. Does this mean that my salah is not valid? Do I have to repeat all my salah once I've learnt tajweed ?

Wa `alaykum assalam

I'm not sure but I guess thats one of the reasons why we should try our best to pray in jamaa`h (behind an Imam with correct tajweed and knowledge of the rules of salah)...I did ask one `alim about a mistake I (unknowingly) made with my salah a while back, while I was still new to Islam, and he said that inshaAllah I don't have to repeat my salah during that period when I made the mistake.

[lzwha]

for the reply brother

From what I know (which is obviously not a lot) even the Imams of my masjid do not have the greatest understanding of tajweed (heard this from other people as well). Also, I would want to know whether my sunnah's, etc are being accepted as well as my Qada.

[Tic Tac Took]

for the reply brother

From what I know (which is obviously not a lot) even the Imams of my masjid do not have the greatest understanding of tajweed (heard this from other people as well). Also, I would want to know whether my sunnah's, etc are being accepted as well as my Qada.

Wa `alaykum assalam

I edited my reply to add something about Imams before I read your reply .

How come you don't try to correct your tajweed? Alhamdulillah, going in the path of Allah improved my tajweed tremendously. Or you could take some classes.

[lzwha]

I am trying but it doesn't happen over night so need to know what the ruling would be for my current imperfect pronounciation

[Aw1HhC0m]

I found a Hanafi answer here: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=990&CATE=4. The conclusion was that "The scholars caution that one does not nit-pick with common people."

I found a Shafi answer here: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2177&CATE=389. This answer is not directly related to Fatiha but to recitation after al-Fatiha.

I think in the end it is still a judgment call. We should try hard to perfect our recitation.

[kylsq0Ln]

As salamu alaykum
Reciting "Iyyaka n'abudu wa iyyaka nasta'in" without shadda nullifies the salah. A shaykh said that without shadda the meaning of this ayah will be changed. ""Iyaka n'abudu wa iyaka nasta'in" means "Your sun we worship and your sun we ask for help."

And Allah knows best.