[Indinehon]

What Sufi tariqa are you drawn to and why??? If you have been part of many tariqas, why did you leave one for another???

[Ruidselisse]

Shadhili mainly because its the dominant tariqa in Egypt

[Dfvgthyju]

I have been drawn to the Shadhili Tariqa because of Sayyidi Shaykh Ya'qoubi, but if i were to choss another tariqa it would be Ba'alawi because of the Habaib and the close chain to RasulAllah SalAllahu AlayhiWasalam

[Percocetti]

erm a question

shadhili tariqa promotes dancing in dhikr right? and according to the hanafi madhab dancing is not allowed....so how does that work out?

[ffflyer]

I have read Shaykh Nuh's book "Sea without Shore" which explains the movements and things done during the group dhikr (the 'Hadra') and it's not really 'dancing' as such, and there are loads of Hanafis in the Shadhili tariqa and it isn't anything that contradicts the shari'ah as far as I'm aware.

Wallahu a'lam

[Dfvgthyju]

Well , I do not no how you see this as dancing. the Hadra isnt dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlIz0YjWoBs

[Percocetti]

Well , I do not no how you see this as dancing. the Hadra isnt dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlIz0YjWoBs

The inherent permissibility or impermissibility of some of these exercises will rest upon the differences of the various Madhāhib since some of these practices cross the boundary of a mere internal metaphysical sphere to the externally physical; thus, falling under the jurisdiction of the Fuqahā’. To present a brief example, the practice of hadrah, a type of spiritual bodily movement similar to swaying that some refer to dancing coupled with loud dhikr, is permissible for the followers of the Shāfi‘ī Madhhab since according to their ‘Ulamā and Madhhab dancing is permissible with certain conditions.

والرقص بلا تكسر مباح لخبر الصحيحين إنه صلى الله عليه وسلم وقف لعائشة يسترها حتى تنظر إلى الحبشة وهم يلعبون ويزفنون والزفن الرقص لأنه مجرد حركات على استقامة أو اعوجاج وعلى الإباحة التي صرح بها المصنف الفوراني والغزالي في وسيطه وهي مقتضى كلام غيرهما وقال القفال بالكراهة وعبارة الأصل محتملة لها حيث قال و الرَّقْصُ ليس بِحَرَامٍ وَبِالتَّكَسُّرِ حَرَامٌ وَلَوْ من النِّسَاءِ لِأَنَّهُ يُشْبِهُ أَفْعَالَ الْمُخَنَّثِينَ (أسنى المطالب في شرح روض الطالب ج 4 ص 346 العلمية)


Consequently, it will be permissible for the Shuyūkh and Mūrīds who follow the Shāfi‘ī Madhhab to participate in the hadrah. On the contrary, it will not be permissible for the Shuyūkh and Murīds of the Hanafī Madhhab to participate in the dancing or swaying of the hadrah since no form of dancing is permitted in the Madhhab unless one is overtaken by an uncontrollable state of ecstasy.

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...964440d67f7eaf

[Indinehon]

Shaykh Faraz Rabbani states,

In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful & Compassionate

Yes, the hadra is in itself permitted, as writings of major Hanafi authorities make clear.

Among the imams of the Hanafi school who have specifically permitted it are Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Kamal Basha, Imam Shurunbulali, Sayyidi Abd al-Ghani al-Nablusi, `Allama Abd al-Qadir `Isa—who cites proofs for it from the major Hanafi reference works, including Ibn Abidin—and Imam Ashraf Ali al-Tahanawi in his Imdad al-Fatawa (5.151).

It is simply one way of fulfilling the general sunna of group dhikr, the general and unconditional encouragement for which is authentically established through numerous hadiths of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).

Faraz Rabbani.

Also, Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi is Hanafi and does the Hadra...

[Indinehon]

I too am drawn to the Shadhili tariqa....

[Bromikka]

Assalamu alaykum

if was to join a tariqa it will probally have to be qadiri, because of the connection Abdul Qadir Jilani Rahimullah.
but i dont have a clue about tariqas.

[Indinehon]

Assalamu alaykum

if was to join a tariqa it will probally have to be qadiri, because of the connection Abdul Qadir Jilani Rahimullah.
but i dont have a clue about tariqas.

The Shadhilis are connected to Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.......... An unbroken back to Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani... And there are many Hanbalis in the Syria, Palestinian area who are Shadhili....

[Dfvgthyju]

Asalaamualaikum, Sayyidi SHaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi not Hanafi they are Maliki, Although they can give fatawa from both madhaib

[BruceQW]

The inherent permissibility or impermissibility of some of these exercises will rest upon the differences of the various Madhāhib since some of these practices cross the boundary of a mere internal metaphysical sphere to the externally physical; thus, falling under the jurisdiction of the Fuqahā’. To present a brief example, the practice of hadrah, a type of spiritual bodily movement similar to swaying that some refer to dancing coupled with loud dhikr, is permissible for the followers of the Shāfi‘ī Madhhab since according to their ‘Ulamā and Madhhab dancing is permissible with certain conditions.

والرقص بلا تكسر مباح لخبر الصحيحين إنه صلى الله عليه وسلم وقف لعائشة يسترها حتى تنظر إلى الحبشة وهم يلعبون ويزفنون والزفن الرقص لأنه مجرد حركات على استقامة أو اعوجاج وعلى الإباحة التي صرح بها المصنف الفوراني والغزالي في وسيطه وهي مقتضى كلام غيرهما وقال القفال بالكراهة وعبارة الأصل محتملة لها حيث قال و الرَّقْصُ ليس بِحَرَامٍ وَبِالتَّكَسُّرِ حَرَامٌ وَلَوْ من النِّسَاءِ لِأَنَّهُ يُشْبِهُ أَفْعَالَ الْمُخَنَّثِينَ (أسنى المطالب في شرح روض الطالب ج 4 ص 346 العلمية)


Consequently, it will be permissible for the Shuyūkh and Mūrīds who follow the Shāfi‘ī Madhhab to participate in the hadrah. On the contrary, it will not be permissible for the Shuyūkh and Murīds of the Hanafī Madhhab to participate in the dancing or swaying of the hadrah since no form of dancing is permitted in the Madhhab unless one is overtaken by an uncontrollable state of ecstasy.

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...964440d67f7eaf

Salam

Jazakallah khayrun for posting the link to that article. It seems that AskImam really broadening their perspectives. A few years ago I don't think that fatwa would have been posted, rather there would probably have just been a predictable condemnation of dancing, leaving us laymen to assume that hadra (or dancing) would have been unequivocally haram and therefore we would have been forced to assume that all of these sufis practicing hadra were in error.

Subhanallah issues of fiqh are never as simple as they may seem.

I'm not a member of any tariqa but i find the naqshbandi tariqa most interesting and inshallah one day i will find a naqshbandi shaykh.

[BruceQW]

also MuslimBrother 1 would you mind sharing how your life has changed since you entered the shadhili tariqa?

what kind of activites do you do now (after joining a tariqa) that you didn't do before? group zikr? hadra? muraqabah? what sort of activities do you engage in?

[UJRonald]

All tariqa are the same.Through whichever gate you enter HARAM SHARIF,you will be in Haram.I will look for the Shaikh rather than Tariqa,and no body reach the goal of gaining pleasure of Allah swt just by entering a specific Tariqa,but by good deeds..

[Fertassa]

As-salamu ´alaykum,
My humble advice would be to look for a Shaykh with whom you find munasabat (congeniality), as he will be your instructor on the path. Tasawwuf is living, and you will find that many accomplished Shuyoukh will apply the principles of a certain Tariqa rather freely, according to his own experience, to serve the spiritual needs of the Murid.

wa'Llahu a'lam

[Dfvgthyju]

asalaamualaikum HafizGee, I am 13 atm, and I became Shadhili 2 Months, ago But before I became Shadhili I was doing the things i,e the shadhili awraads. so nothing Much Changed. as for doing the Hadra we cant do the hadra unless Shaykh Yaqoubi is present

[Indinehon]

asalaamualaikum HafizGee, I am 13 atm, and I became Shadhili 2 Months, ago But before I became Shadhili I was doing the things i,e the shadhili awraads. so nothing Much Changed. as for doing the Hadra we cant do the hadra unless Shaykh Yaqoubi is present

what are the general daily practices, that Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi recommends?

[DoctorQuquriramba]

Naqshbandi - Silsila from Hazrat Abu Bakr ra

[Ruidselisse]

Shaykh Faraz Rabbani states,

Also, Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi is Hanafi and does the Hadra...

He's Maliki.