[Teomaderm]

Salam

Jazakallah khayrun for posting the link to that article. It seems that AskImam really broadening their perspectives. A few years ago I don't think that fatwa would have been posted, rather there would probably have just been a predictable condemnation of dancing, leaving us laymen to assume that hadra (or dancing) would have been unequivocally haram and therefore we would have been forced to assume that all of these sufis practicing hadra were in error.

Subhanallah issues of fiqh are never as simple as they may seem.

I'm not a member of any tariqa but i find the naqshbandi tariqa most interesting and inshallah one day i will find a naqshbandi shaykh.

Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani is a Naqshbandi Shaykh, known throughout the world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSbpBo7HHvo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDWx...eature=related


Shaykh Nazim & Cat Stevens - Talaa Badru طلع البدر علينا
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqa6p2QsQk

Habib Ali Jifri & Shaykh Nazim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFXUR...eature=related

Sidi Shaykh Habib Ali Al Jifri Prays For Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Al Haqqani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk6il...eature=related

Muhammad Ali Takes Bayyah With Mawlana Shaykh Hisham Kabbani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk6il...eature=related

[Searmoreibe]

He's Maliki.

as far as im aware, he use to be malaki, and is now hanafi


I am also interested in this tariqaa business/sufism
i went from staying away from sufism due to peoples advice to becoming more inclined

[MiniBoy]

What Sufi tariqa are you drawn to and why??? If you have been part of many tariqas, why did you leave one for another???

You will be drawn to the Chistiya sufi order if you read this book.

http://books.themajlis.net/node/449

You will be drawn to the Naqkhsbandiya sufi order if you read this book.

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b7021.html

[Snocioncilm]

Naqshbandi - Silsila from Hazrat Abu Bakr ra

Which branch ? there seems to be so many nowadays?

[nTDsD0aU]

You will be drawn to the Naqkhsbandiya sufi order if you read this book.

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b7021.html

”The sacred words of the saints are gathered from the light of the Muhammadan Reality. The speech of the saints deserves to be treated with the same respect as the Qur'an and the Prophetic tradition (hadith]. If someone seeks good fortune for himself, he must accord due reverence to the speech of the saints.” Bwuh?

"The Greatest Shaikh [Ibn 'Arabi] writes that he once saw Allah in the form of a horse.” Bwuh?

“In his book, one of the great saints interprets Bismillah (In the name of Allah) to mean Bismi 'l-insani-'l kamil (In the name of the perfect human being). This interpretation met with extreme disapproval from the religious scholars of the time, so they went and asked the venerable Mawlana Jami about it. He said:

That is the interpretation of the term ism (name). It is not the interpretation of the word Allah” Are you sure you should be recommending this book to people?

Antithesis:

When the Sufi masters said: "All existence is a single entity, than which there is no other," they invited questions like: "Since this implies that everything is without antithesis, what is all this conflict and collision between the believers and the unbelievers?" They answered by quoting a few lines from the Mathnawi:

When the colourless fall captive to colour,
Moses does battle with Moses.
If colourlessness comes and antithesis departs,
Moses and Pharaoh become one.” It's not as bad as the Kitabut Tawasin, though...

[voksveta]

Bwuh?

That's disturbing stuff.

[nTDsD0aU]

Reviewing those excerpts, I have precisely three pertinent questions:

1. What is the 'Muhammadan Reality?'
2. What is meant by the statement 'all existence is a single entity?' I believe its having been mentioned in that context is self explanatory and it does not really require any interpretation, because of the context of the statement, but I would like to hear if there is an explanation that makes it seem like something other than what it seems like.
3. What is 'al-Insan al-Kamil (the perfect human being)?'

EDIT- sorry, four
4. How exactly does Ml. Jami claim that 'Bism al-Insan al-Kamil' is an interpretation of 'ism,' when it is a statement made replacing the word 'Allah,' as opposed to the word 'ism?' It seems extremely hard to figure out. How would that interpolation make any sense if placed into the context of interpreting 'Bismillah,' anyway?

[voksveta]

I just looked at the description...but I don't see the quotes you posted. Do you have the entire book?

[nTDsD0aU]

The references are the following, in order: page 173, 189, 174, 310.

173 and 174 are from of the sayings of Ml. Jami
189 is from the sayings of Ml. Abdul Ghafur
310 is from the sayings of Khawaja Ubaidullah.

[Indinehon]

Reviewing those excerpts, I have precisely three pertinent questions:

1. What is the 'Muhammadan Reality?'

Question 7

Haqiqat al-Muhammadiyya

Many Pakistanis and people of the Naqshbandi tariqa (and maybe of others) consider the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be Nur Allah, the ‘Light of Allah’, and find it offensive that we call the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) bashar, a ‘human being’, even though the Qur’an states him to be so. I have also been made aware of a hadith in Tirmidhi that states that the prophets (upon whom be peace) were created from the Nur of Allah and the first amongst them was the Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace). Do you have any knowledge about this matter?

Answer

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is the Light of Allah, something a believer can say because the Qur’an affirms it in the verse

"There has come to you a Light from Allah, and a Manifest Book" (Qur’an 5:15).

in which the word Light has been explained by a number of classic Qur’anic exegetes as follows:

(Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti "It is the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)" (Tafsir al-Jalalayn, 139).

(Ibn Jarir al-Tabari "By Light He means Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace), through whom Allah has illuminated the truth, manifested Islam, and obliterated polytheism; since he is a light for whoever seeks illumination from him, which makes plain the truth" (Jami‘ al-bayan, 6.161).

(Fakhr al-Razi "There are various positions about it, the first being that the Light is Muhammad, and the Book is the Qur’an " (al-Tafsir al-kabir, 11:194).

(al-Baghawi "It means Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace), or, according to a weaker position, Islam" (Ma‘alam al-Tanzil, 2.228).

And Qurtubi (Ahkam al-Qur’an , 6.118) and Mawardi (al-Nukat wa al-‘uyun, 2.22) mention that interpreting Nur as "Muhammad" (Allah bless him and give him peace) was also the position by [the Imam of Arabic grammar Ibrahim ibn Muhammad] al-Zajjaj (d. 311/923).

All of which shows that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), is a light from Allah, according to the Qur’an . This is the interpretation of the earliest exegetes, for al-Tabari was the sheikh of the salaf (early Muslims) in tafsir; while explaining Nur as "Islam" is an interpretation that came later.

As for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) being a bashar or ‘human being’, there is no doubt of this, because it is Qur’an and ‘aqida. Yet the Qur’an does not simply state that he is a human being, but rather says,

"Say: I am but a man like you who is divinely inspired that your god is but One God" (Qur’an 18:110)

The important qualificatory phrase in this verse shows us that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was a completely different sort of human being from anyone else, then or now. For none of us can say he is divinely inspired as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) was. Rather, as is said in a poetic ode to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) which is often sung at gatherings after singing the Qasida al-Burda [Ode of the Prophetic Mantle] by al-Busayri:

Muhammad is a human being, but not like humankind;
He is a ruby, while people are as stones.

Though the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is the Light of Allah, he is of course a created light. Someone who believes otherwise has made the mistake of the Christians with Jesus (upon whom be peace), or the Hindus with their Avatars. We saw in the discussion at the end of question (5) above that an ascriptive (idafa) construction like Nur Allah does not show that this Nur or ‘Light’ is an attribute of Allah. Rather, the ascriptive construction in this case is a kind called idafa tashrif, or an ‘ascription of ennoblement’, like the title Bayt Allah ‘The House of Allah’ for the Kaaba in Mecca, named this for its nobility, not that Allah lives inside, much less that it is divine attribute. Or like the she-camel that was sent to Thamud, which was called in the Qur’an Naqat Allah ‘The She-Camel of Allah’ as an ascription of ennoblement; namely, because of its inviolability in the Shari‘a of that time—not that it was ridden by Allah, or was a divine attribute.

As for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) being the first of creation, among the Islamic scholars who have compiled works on his characteristics is the hadith master (hafiz) Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti with his two-volume hadith work al-Khasa’is al-kubra [The greater compendium of unique attributes], of which the first chapter is entitled "The Uniqueness of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in Being the First of the Prophets to Be Created, the Priority of His Prophethood, and the Taking of the Covenant with Him." The chapter’s first hadith was reported by Ibn Abi Hatim in his Tafsir [Qur’anic exegesis] , and by Abu Nu‘aym in Dala’il al-nabuwwa [Proofs of prophethood], from numerous chains of transmission, from Qatada, who related it from Hasan [al-Basri], from Abu Hurayra (Allah be well pleased with him), that of the Qur’anic verse

"And lo, We took from the prophets their covenant, and from you, and Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus son of Mary; and We took from them a momentous covenant" (Qur’an 33:7)

that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "I was the first of the Prophets to be created and the last of them to be sent." Suyuti records nine other hadiths indicating that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was the first of the prophets to be created; among them the hadith reported by Bukhari in his Tarikh [History], and by Ahmad, Tabarani, Hakim, and Bayhaqi, that Maysara al-Fajr (Allah be well pleased with him) said, "I asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace), when were you a Prophet?’ and he said, ‘While Adam was between soul and body’" (al-Khasa’is al-kubra, 3-4).

As for "a hadith in Tirmidhi that states that the prophets (upon whom be peace) were created from the Nur of Allah and the first amongst them was the prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace)," I find it hard to imagine that it is in Tirmidhi or elsewhere with an acceptable channel of transmission, for Suyuti would hardly have failed to mention it in his Khasa’is, since this is the sort of thing the book is about, and Suyuti is a hadith master (hafiz), yet it is not there. In any case, the Qur’an is sufficient about the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) being a light from Allah.

Finally, in the metaphysic of the Sufis, or at least those whom I have met, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is both the ‘Light of Allah’ and ‘a human being’, and the inability to join between the two aspects is a lack of understanding of the greatness of al-Haqiqa al-Muhammadiyya, the ‘Muhammadan Reality’.

To gain an idea of their point of departure, we may note that the entire universe has been created by Allah in order that His names and attributes might be manifest, that is, in order that He might be known, for He says,

"Nor did I create jinn and men, except to worship Me" (Qur’an 51:56).

(al-Baghawi Mujahid [ibn Jabr al-Makki (d. 104/722)], said this means ‘except to know Me’ which is a sound interpretation, since if He had not created them, they would not have known His existence and His oneness (Ma‘alam al-tanzil, 5.230).

Now, the divine names, such as, al-Rahman ‘the All-merciful’, al-Karim ‘the Most Generous’, al-Rafi‘ ‘He-Who-Raises’, al-Khafid ‘He-Who-Lowers’, al-Sabur ‘the Most Patient’ al-Muntaqim ‘the Avenger’, and the others, entail and comprise the existence of the entire spectrum of human conditions—but particularly, ultimately, eternally, and at their fullest manifestation—the outcomes of paradise and hell.

These outcomes in their turn entail a logos or determining order that governs them, an illuminatory law that renders them and the states of their inhabitants transparent and intelligible, an ultimate standard. This is what we call the Shari‘ia or ‘Sacred Law’, inseparable in principle from its divine origin, for it is one with Allah’s speech, the Qur’an , and the sunna, His act of inspiration to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Part of the Law is that "none of you shall enter paradise by his works" (rather through Allah’s mercy), but the levels within it do correspond to works whose qualities and conditions are given in the revelation.

From the point of view of manifesting the divine attributes and names—their ultimate outcomes consisting in the destinies of human beings, without which they would remain unmanifest—the appearance of the Islamic Shari‘a, in its final and perfected form at the end of human history, is the raison d’être, or ‘reason for being’, of the whole created universe; and ontologically prior to it in the timelessly preeternal knowledge of Allah Most High.

And the focal point of this light of lights, the head of the whole matter of its appearance, and the site of its manifestation—in a sense the résumé of all created being and occasion for its appearance—is the al-Haqiqa al-Muhammadiyya, or ‘Muhammadan Reality’ the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), whose consciousness was identical with this Shari‘a.

We cannot ever claim to know all of the Prophet’s perfections (Allah bless him and give him peace), only that Allah describes him in His book as ‘light’; while at the same time, he had to be a human being, in order that the Sacred Law could be manifest, and the imperative of obeying it be binding on every human being. And Allah knows best.

[nTDsD0aU]

It would have been quicker for you to say 'it is some weird innovated Sufi terminology.'

What is more, it calls the quote into question. To wit:

”The sacred words of the saints are gathered from the light of the Muhammadan Reality. The speech of the saints deserves to be treated with the same respect as the Qur'an and the Prophetic tradition (hadith]. If someone seeks good fortune for himself, he must accord due reverence to the speech of the saints.” If the 'Muhammadan Reality' is what the above says it is, is the person who says this claiming that the 'sacred words of the saints' qualify as Shari'ah? Because if someone says 'I take words from the light of the Muhammadan Reality...'

So is he being spiritually instructed by the Prophet ? Are his words now Shari'ah?

EDIT- What is more, the quote of Imam al-Tabari does not indicate that Imam al-Tabari held to this strange opinion. That it is being conflated with the statements of the others among it cannot possibly be taken seriously.

[everlastinge]

Assalam-O-Alaikum!

Well, I belong to Naqshbandi Tariqah Alhamdulillah! and I took bayah in April 2010. So, the reason behind was the trap of black magic at our home. Now, Alhamdulillah everything is fine. Anyhow, by later time I got to know what is the relation of Murshad & Murred is and I was so much pleased for that.

I love my Sheikh a lot

[voksveta]

Assalam-O-Alaikum!

Well, I belong to Naqshbandi Tariqah Alhamdulillah! and I took bayah in April 2010. So, the reason behind was the trap of black magic at our home. Now, Alhamdulillah everything is fine. Anyhow, by later time I got to know what is the relation of Murshad & Murred is and I was so much pleased for that.

I love my Sheikh a lot

Which silsila?

[BruceQW]

Salam

Someone mentioned the name of shaykh Nazim recently, all i have to say is:

Tasawuf is meaningless without complete submission to the shariah. if one observes a "shaykh" of tasawuf who does not follow shariah completely (shirk-like practices are encouraged, they shave, shake hands with women, watch women play music etc.) than one should not give bay'ah to that individual but rather run 180 degrees in the opposite direction (paraphrased from Shaykh Hussain Sattar's lectures).

[MiniBoy]

"The Greatest Shaikh [Ibn 'Arabi] writes that he once saw Allah in the form of a horse.”
Bwuh?



Are you sure you should be recommending this book to people?

Regarding your comment related to Shaykh Ibn Arabi (RAH) , you should check this thread.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Zakariya-(RAH)


I will recommend the book "Rasahat ayn Al Hayat " mentioned in this link below. Because, the book will instill a high degree of love for Allah in the reader's mind.

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b7021.html

The confusing quotes mentioned from that book are not in the beginning of the book. By the time , a reader has finished the first 2 or 3 chapters, he will
get some knowledge how to understand the confusing comments mentioned in the subsequent books.

Anyway, I suspect that a real conspiracy to destroy or belittle Tasawwuf and the sufi saints who are the extra-ordinary lovers of Allah is going on.
Your posts made me update this thread below.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-shaykhs/page2

If you have genuine questions or thirst for divine love , then you should start a new thread about all your questions.Let this thread be free from the anti-sufi
propaganda.

[Indinehon]

Salam

Someone mentioned the name of shaykh Nazim recently, all i have to say is:

Tasawuf is meaningless without complete submission to the shariah. if one observes a "shaykh" of tasawuf who does not follow shariah completely (shirk-like practices are encouraged, they shave, shake hands with women, watch women play music etc.) than one should not give bay'ah to that individual but rather run 180 degrees in the opposite direction (paraphrased from Shaykh Hussain Sattar's lectures).

"Truly Allah uphold this religion even through an immoral man." (Bukhari and Muslim)

We are all sinners...

There is wisdom behind everything... To find someone who embodies the Shariah completely is impossible. Some people are only capable of practicing a little of the Shariah, while other people are capable of practicing alot of the Shariah, because Allah has created us all different, it is necessary that their exist various types of spiritual guides to accommodate the various types of people. Perhaps the mureeds of Shaykh Nazim practices aspects of the Shariah mureeds of Shaykh Hussain Sattar are unable to practice and vice a versa. The prophet (SaW) said, if Allah did not create a people who did not sin, he would destroy them and create them so they would sin...... So would you have me believe that Shaykh Hussin Sattar and his mureeds are sinless and Shaykh Nazim and his mureeds are sinful???

There reality of the matters is they are both sinful.... Just because Allah has veil some people sins and not others is of no consequence. We should have a good opinion of everybody...

I don't follow Shaykh Nazim nor am I associated with his tariqa in anyway....

I prefer the Shadhili path......

[nTDsD0aU]

Ok, so... the person who says 'I saw Allah in the form of a horse,' he is the real lover of Allah? The person who says 'Bismi al-Insan al-Kamil' (what is 'al-insan al-kamil) is the interpretation of 'Bismillah,' he is the real lover of Allah?

The person who says 'all existence is a single entity' is the real lover of Allah?

What are you going to say next, that al-Hallaj, who says 'my teachers are Iblis and Fir'aun' and portrays Iblis as the greatest knower of Allah and the most spiritual person, and even writes him (Iblis) as saying 'When I am remembering Him, what else am I but Him,' that he is the real lover of Allah?

This is madness, all of it.

[Indinehon]

Ok, so... the person who says 'I saw Allah in the form of a horse,' he is the real lover of Allah? The person who says 'Bismi al-Insan al-Kamil' (what is 'al-insan al-kamil) is the interpretation of 'Bismillah,' he is the real lover of Allah?

The person who says 'all existence is a single entity' is the real lover of Allah?

What are you going to say next, that al-Hallaj, who says 'my teachers are Iblis and Fir'aun' and portrays Iblis as the greatest knower of Allah and the most spiritual person, and even writes him (Iblis) as saying 'When I am remembering Him, what else am I but Him,' that he is the real lover of Allah?

This is madness, all of it.

You are so funny, have you ever thought about becoming a comedian.......... lol...... You are killing me....... lol lol ha ha ha

[JANALA]

Quandary ignore that one.
Now tell me have you eaten the pudding?
Wassalam

[stutnerman]

All sufis strive to be as close as possible to Allah , and all sufis will admit that the closest person to Allah is the Prophet Muhamad . The Prophet already mentioned that we are to never let go the Quran and his ahlul-bait and sunnah. If we really want to be as close as possible to Allah , then the example was already shown and advices were given to us by the Prophet .

As per some strange terminology by some sufis; if the terimonologies were meant to be discussed publicly, then it's the duty of the person(s) who uttered it to explain the meaning, context and background of the said terminologies. The boundary that is the shariah still applies to it.