[mikeydesignzinc]

I know that wearing a t-shirt during salah is makrooh but what exactly is the reasoning for this?

[MFSSCW2c]

I know that wearing a t-shirt during salah is makrooh but what exactly is the reasoning for this?

Walikum-us-salam.

Because wearing half-sleeves is "khilaf-e-sunnah".

[ehib8yPc]

and it also reveals ur satar sometimes from back

and the quotes written on some t-shirts leads others to read them and if a personal reads that in salah, then his prayer is invalid

[mikeydesignzinc]

Walikum-us-salam.

Because wearing half-sleeves is "khilaf-e-sunnah".

Well, that's what I'm asking. What's the reasoning for it to be against the sunnah?

[mikeydesignzinc]

and it also reveals ur satar sometimes from back

and the quotes written on some t-shirts leads others to read them and if a personal reads that in salah, then his prayer is invalid

Well, you have a lot of hoodies and other clothing that have symbols and slogans as well. And not many people here wear tight t-shirts; most are long and slightly baggy.

This question struck me when I saw this person at the masjid last night who was wearing a plain t-shirt but at the same time, wearing an imamah and he had the wajib/sunnah beard.

[MFSSCW2c]

Well, that's what I'm asking. What's the reasoning for it to be against the sunnah?

Walikum-us-salam.

Because, it is reported that Rasoolulah (SAWW) used to wear full sleeves. Therefore, wearing half-sleeves, and praying with it, is "makruh".

[kubekniekubek]

Walikum-us-salam.

Because, it is reported that Rasoolulah (SAWW) used to wear full sleeves. Therefore, wearing half-sleeves, and praying with it, is "makruh".

you sure??

I know in the Hanafi school, ive seen scholars wear half sleeved thawbs. Not folded up sleeves to make it half sleeves but actual half sleeve.

Ive been told its makhrooh to fold up full sleeved up to half sleeve but it is permissable to wear items which have been made as half sleeves.

Im sure in another school, wearing half sleeves is allowed so a blanket statement of 'khilaf e sunnah' might be wrong.

Just because something may not be classed as sunnah in the hanafi school does not mean it has no basis. Other schools may have a differing view and might class it as sunnah.

lookign forward to the notable scholars on this forum for their views.

[PristisoliTer]

Walikum-us-salam.

Because, it is reported that Rasoolulah (SAWW) used to wear full sleeves. Therefore, wearing half-sleeves, and praying with it, is "makruh".

makrooh tanzeehi?

[MFSSCW2c]

you sure??

I know in the Hanafi school, ive seen scholars wear half sleeved thawbs. Not folded up sleeves to make it half sleeves but actual half sleeve.

Ive been told its makhrooh to fold up full sleeved up to half sleeve but it is permissable to wear items which have been made as half sleeves.

Im sure in another school, wearing half sleeves is allowed so a blanket statement of 'khilaf e sunnah' might be wrong.

Just because something may not be classed as sunnah in the hanafi school does not mean it has no basis. Other schools may have a differing view and might class it as sunnah.

lookign forward to the notable scholars on this forum for their views.

Assalam Alaikum.

The sunnah is, you don't "fold" the full sleeves to make them "half-sleeves". However, if the shirt is actually half-sleeve, then it is permissible to wear them.

lookign forward to the notable scholars on this forum for their views.

Don't know about the scholars on this forum, but i am telling the above from authentic fiqh books.

[MFSSCW2c]

makrooh tanzeehi?

Yeah, makruh-e-tanzeehi, and according to some narrations it is makruh-e-tehreemi to pray in half-sleeves.

[kubekniekubek]

The sunnah is, you don't "fold" the full sleeves to make them "half-sleeves". However, if the shirt is actually half-sleeve, then it is permissible to wear them.




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Not disagreeing with you. I was trying to make the same point, but sort of went about it the long way round.

[mr.nemo]

The reason it is considered makrooh by the South Asian Scholars is because they believe it is considered "dis-respectful" clothing.

But that just fall under the matter of opinion, A t-shirt still covers a mans satar. The hanafi scholars in the middle east have no problem with half sleeves.

[MFSSCW2c]

The reason it is considered makrooh by the South Asian Scholars is because they believe it is considered "dis-respectful" clothing.

But that just fall under the matter of opinion, A t-shirt still covers a mans satar. The hanafi scholars in the middle east have no problem with half sleeves.

Yeah, some call it "dis-respectful", some call it "khilaf-e-sunnah".

[tetMitshisk]

There are two issues here:

1. Leaving the elbows/arms uncovered
2. Wearing clothing that one would not go out with in public.

As for the first, I have yet to come across a statement in any of the Hanafi books of fiqh, stating this to be Makruh. I have searched in detail, have asked numerous Muftis, but no one has been able to produce one such ruling from the reliable books of the madhab.

The Fiqh books mention the issue of folding sleeves, however this is makruh due to it being forbidden in Hadith, as one would be preventing the sleeves from making sajdah.

Some Urdu Fatawa use the texts on folding the sleeves for t-shirts, however those texts don't apply here.

As for the second, maybe 50 years ago, wearing a short-sleeve shirt or a T-shirt would have been something one would not wear out in public.
Today, people wear it everywhere, so it isn't classfied as thiyab al-bidhlah ie. clothing one wouldn't wear in public. It is makruh to perform salah in things like pyjama's, as these wouldn't be worn in public. Short-sleeves are not so.

So one is allowed to perform salah in clothing that is short-sleeved, as long as it is such clothing that one would normally wear in public.

As for Nabi's qamis sleeves being until the wrists, that doesn't necessitate shorter sleeves being makruh, just as it doesn't negate other items of Nabi having shorter sleeves. In fact, some of the clothing attributed to Nabi in museums do have short sleeves, even though this isn't proof.

It is for this reason, that the normally very strict author of Ahsan al-Fatawa, Mufti Rashid Ahmed Ludhyanwi, clearly gave permission for salah with a short sleeve kurta.
Se Ahsan al-Fatawa Vol. 3 Pg. 407-408.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

[euylvaygdq]

There are two issues here:

1. Leaving the elbows/arms uncovered
2. Wearing clothing that one would not go out with in public.

As for the first, I have yet to come across a statement in any of the Hanafi books of fiqh, stating this to be Makruh. I have searched in detail, have asked numerous Muftis, but no one has been able to produce one such ruling from the reliable books of the madhab.

The Fiqh books mention the issue of folding sleeves, however this is makruh due to it being forbidden in Hadith, as one would be preventing the sleeves from making sajdah.

Some Urdu Fatawa use the texts on folding the sleeves for t-shirts, however those texts don't apply here.

As for the second, maybe 50 years ago, wearing a short-sleeve shirt or a T-shirt would have been something one would not wear out in public.
Today, people wear it everywhere, so it isn't classfied as thiyab al-bidhlah ie. clothing one wouldn't wear in public. It is makruh to perform salah in things like pyjama's, as these wouldn't be worn in public. Short-sleeves are not so.

So one is allowed to perform salah in clothing that is short-sleeved, as long as it is such clothing that one would normally wear in public.

As for Nabi's qamis sleeves being until the wrists, that doesn't necessitate shorter sleeves being makruh, just as it doesn't negate other items of Nabi having shorter sleeves. In fact, some of the clothing attributed to Nabi in museums do have short sleeves, even though this isn't proof.

It is for this reason, that the normally very strict author of Ahsan al-Fatawa, Mufti Rashid Ahmed Ludhyanwi, clearly gave permission for salah with a short sleeve kurta.
Se Ahsan al-Fatawa Vol. 3 Pg. 407-408.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

Masha Allah,

Great answer as usual.

I've lead prayers quite a few times with those short sleeved Arabian thawbs/jubbas. I get some weird looks from TJ's and Sufis and hardcore Hanafis, but since the general typical American Muslim couldn't care less, I go with the oppressed majority.

Also at the time of the Prophet, they barely had enough clothes to cover their Satar and body!

[kubekniekubek]

Masha Allah,

Great answer as usual.

, have to toatlly agree. Indeed, this forum is blessed with the presence of Mufti Hussain.

[MFSSCW2c]

It is for this reason, that the normally very strict author of Ahsan al-Fatawa, Mufti Rashid Ahmed Ludhyanwi, clearly gave permission for salah with a short sleeve kurta.

The issue of praying with a kurta that is actually "half-sleeve" is fine, and i also said the same thing.

What i was saying, is that it is makruh to pray in a kurta, which was actually full-sleeve, but the sleeves were folded to make it a half-sleeve one. I have read hadeeth on its prohibition.

[euylvaygdq]

The issue of praying with a kurta that is actually "half-sleeve" is fine, and i also said the same thing.

What i was saying, is that it is makruh to pray in a kurta, which was actually full-sleeve, but the sleeves were folded to make it a half-sleeve one. I have read hadeeth on its prohibition.

Yup, Mufti Husain mentioned about it in his post.

[MFSSCW2c]

Also at the time of the Prophet, they barely had enough clothes to cover their Satar and body!

No disrespect intended.

There are narrations in Quduri, where it is mentioned that the people offered their prayers when they were totally naked, because they had nothing to cover themselves.

So, a mufti can not issue a fatwa, that it is ok to pray when you are naked.

I have read in all the hanafi manuals, in my madressah and darul-ifta, that praying in short-sleeves is makruh, and the sunnah is to pray in full-sleeves.

Therefore, the rulings have to be deduced from sunnah "amaals", and not mere incidents. And our success lies in following the sunnah of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

[kubekniekubek]

I have read in all the hanafi manuals, in my madressah and darul-ifta, that praying in short-sleeves is makruh, and the sunnah is to pray in full-sleeves.

Would you like to name the fatwa books which have this info. Im sure Mufti Hussain could look into it.