[alenbarbaf]

http://shiningblades.blogspot.com/20...l-flow-in.html

[greekbeast]

This is similar to what An Nahda party in Tunisia has claimed- that it will not enforce Shariah and jeopardize the haram tourism industry.

The an Nahda party is a nationalist offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood (IM) in Egypt. Both share similar methodology, or lack thereof. As a result, their parties are increasingly recognized as abandoning Islam and can no longer be accepted as "Islamic parties" because they fail to follow the methodology of the Prophet (saw) regarding the affairs of the people. That means in part failing to uphold Right and forbid Wrong.

And this raises a serious dilemma:

if RE-implementation of Islam has predictable adverse economic effects on society, then what should be done?

Serious Islamic parties should prepare for this.

There should be a monetary policy which includes a major transitional step towards transferring currencies as based on gold and silver (eventhough the majority of Muslim nation's gold reserves are located in Western banks). This would take a transition of some time based on the gold available in a country.

There should also be a fiscal policy towards "Islamization" of previous transactions: relationships based on contracts should be reevaluated to be consistent with Shariah. For example, if the Hilton owns several hotels in Egypt based on contracts, then there should be major auditting of the relationship to determine if the contracts are sahih (valid), batil (void), or fasid(corrupt but actionable).

And that's where the "Islamic" concept of a party comes into importance: if a part does NOT advocate an Islamic state and society, then it lacks the standing to uphold Shariah over kufr law and kufr/invalid contracts. It fails to uphold the Sovereignty of Allah over the sovereignty of men, which as a political organization, is a defining pillar.

Regarding tourism in Egypt,
It is well known that there is material profit in vices: liquor, drugs, prostitution, gambling, are all profittable in the short term for sellers. But in the long term, these vices are destructive to human relations, including families and communities and societies.

From an intellectual & economic standpoint, Islamic political parties can publicly present the position how an economy based on tourism of vices is self destructive to any society. Liquor consumption results in 100s of 1000s of traffic fatalties in America, causing billions of dollars in costs.

Prostitution leads to generations without fathers and good families, resulting in anti-socialized, uncultured people leading to crime and loss of economic potential in millions of people. The toll is 100s of billions of dollars lost in the long term. Not to mention adultery destroys families, also resulting in the same. Prostitution has also led to the AIDS pandemic, spreading diseases causing millions to die and billions in health costs.

Gambling is evil as it is an unfair distribution of wealth from the poor, uneducated to the rich who own gambling establishments. One can go to any corner store in America on friday (payday) and see 100s of working class people buy 100s of lottery tickets. The mathematical odds of winning are worse than getting struck by lightning twice- this alone is an unjust transaction. But earnings of people are actually 'voluntarily given' to gambling establishments without any return, let alone a profit.

Mubarak undertook liberalizing capitalist reforms (according to World Bank agenda) which has placed Egypt as a niche economy to Western powers, rather than a self sufficient, or symbiotic economy. In fact, the fundamental structure of the Egyptian society needs to be rebuilt, and it should be done according to Islam. And righteous, pious Muslim leaders have to STATE this in clear, intellectual concepts for all people to understand.

The IM has shown that it fails to even imply this.

And Allah knows best.

[ranndomderr]

Assalamu alikum,
is selling alcohol to non-believer haram?

Muslims do not need to involve to touristic activities, even they serve in this industry. Of course it is difficult, but if there is dependance on the salary from this industry - and many families rely on it in Egypt and Tunisia, I can imagine that even muslim work with tourists in best possible islamic way. But it requires disciplin and strong faith.
On the other hand I know many western tourist appreciate clean and safe holiday in muslim countries, and some of them even surprised how benevolent muslims are.... offering more haram activieties than expected!!! More easy access to drugs and prostitution (incl child prostitution) than in west!!!

w alikum assalam

[alenbarbaf]

Please all the well wisher, give part of your income and send to ezypt and tunesia so you can strop selling alcohol. Its funny easy to talk but not easy to do!!

Ok. Then let us take the alternative and tell the Muslim brotherhood to open bars and brothels in mosques also. That will increase their income a 100 fold. Will that make it easy to collect money?

[alenbarbaf]

Br. Abutamim
That wasn't called for. Unless and untill economic situation improves, people are driven to the door of kuffur.
There is a lot of prostitution in palestine as well. This is the reality! A lot of call girls in GCC are from morcco!
Girls are already available!! It will be just like GCC where on the face everything is hyper modest but in reality another story!! If one wants allivate from such social ills, provide accommodation, fianance etc. Ofcourse not everyone has same level of taqwa that can bring about food and shelter from the ghaib.

akhi.
I apologize for hurting you but your post sounded...flippant.
I would urge you to reconsider your position on this issue.

[ClapekDodki]

akhi.
I apologize for hurting you but your post sounded...flippant.
I would urge you to reconsider your position on this issue.

Did you notice your alter ego Dr Maxter is back in action?
Wassalam

[alenbarbaf]

Did you notice your alter ego Dr Maxter is back in action?
Wassalam

Do you really think that he is my "alter ego", sidi?
I am so much milder and so much more ......malignant....
By the way, the good doctor updates his blog on and off.....I don't think that he is ever out of action.

[ClapekDodki]

Do you really think that he is my "alter ego", sidi?
I am so much milder and so much more ......malignant....
By the way, the good doctor updates his blog on and off.....I don't think that he is ever out of action.

Yes Dr Sahab he has adjusted the doses according to the diagnosis. The result is for us all to see. Asras and Fatahs come to him to get their dose!
Wassalam

[DoctorDulitlBest]

Do you really think that he is my "alter ego", sidi?
I am so much milder and so much more ......malignant....

[b3JOkwXL]

if I was going to go completely from aql I would keep teh haraam in order to appease the west and the egyptian people as teh economy would probabily falter due to its reliability on tourism. This is not teh fault of islam, teh previous rulers have made the economy reliant on tourism ratehr than otehr industries. I would slowly build up otehr industries and fade out tourism. Thats if I was going on intellect alone. The question comes down to whether a gradual aproach is permissable or not. And on taht issue, I honestly dont know yet, I need to research it first before talking on the issue and look at both sides of teh arguement and their daleel inshAllah. Its low on my priority of studies so prob wont come to a conclusion for some time but do feel its something we need to look into

[Andrew1978]

I think you may be jumping to conclusions...

The quote from the Muslim Brotherhood is

"No citizen who makes a living from this branch need to be worried. Our goal is to attract annually 20 million tourists to Egypt", he said in a statement.
Therefore the rest of the post seems like a false accusation. Allahu Musta'an!

[b3JOkwXL]

yeah i think we should apply a little husnal dhann for people in this time of fitnah and turmoil. Its not easy trying to do something politically beneficial to the ummah and no matter what option you choose there are issues and difficulties that go with them so I think we need to cut everyone some slack and be productive rather than just attack anyone trying to do something. We need to be coming up with viable solutions if we dont like other peoples solutions. Im sure the ikhwan are applying a gradual approach as they dont want the west to put up hurdles for them and if they come out and say everything they wish to do the west will probabily put some serious pressure on them and maybe even remove them for secularists which is the wroser of two evils. THe issue of gradualism does need to be looked at but its like when a crack addict takes shahada. Islam has to pick up the pieces but its not goign to be smooth sailing. Islam is picking up the pieces that the west brought to the muslim lands but the muslim lands are in a real mess. Did the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam not say that if if it werent for the people be would take the ka'ba apart and reconstruct it cube shaped? Surely tehre is an arguement that if they simply ban tourism and it could cause the people to revolt and support secularism then there is an arguement for building alternative economies first and then slowly increasing teh pressure on the tourism industry in stages like the alcohol ban in the qur'an was also in stages

[rockboyzaza]

Salam,

Tourism isnt haram in and of itself. The haram aspect is when tourism turns into a method of extreme bootlickers where the nation does anything to get some penny. Thereby everything that entertains the lower desires of the tourist becomes legalised. But that shouldn't cover up the good aspect of toursim which is to see the signs of Allah which is spread out all over the land. It should be a means of dawa where the Islamic culture should be introduced to them. There are thousand and thousands of non-muslims who appreciate Islam through direct experience among muslim countries. So I dont see the promotion of toursim is somehow enough to demonise MB. It is only when they turn Muslims to harlots and bootlickers for pleasing the tourists lower desires that we should show our opposition. It is when tourism is structured to turn Muslim countries into a Las Vegas or Miami beach that we should show opposition and concern. But again wisdom should be used in doing things "diplomatically" rather than shouting in the middle of the streets and hurling slurs at westerners.

[Ruidselisse]

http://shiningblades.blogspot.com/20...l-flow-in.html

You seem to assume things and why are you attacking Masr? the situation in India/Pakistan is far worse.

[alenbarbaf]

I think you may be jumping to conclusions...

The quote from the Muslim Brotherhood is




Therefore the rest of the post seems like a false accusation. Allahu Musta'an!

Husn Dhann run wild.

[alenbarbaf]

You seem to assume things and why are you attacking Masr? the situation in India/Pakistan is far worse.

Have you read the article or are you simply out of your senses? No wonder the West holds the intellectual abilities of the Muslims in contempt.

[ranndomderr]

You seem to assume things and why are you attacking Masr? the situation in India/Pakistan is far worse.

The situation like that is not in Masr only but in Tunisia and Morokko - those are main destination for tourists from Europe. Unfortunately we can not close eyes and not to see that. I have heard MANY Tunisians saying, please tourists come come, as they know they will not have anything to eat without them.... there is no policy how to deal with different groups of tourists and who pays, is welcome, does not matter what.
What westerners make for pleasure, many muslims do due to economic situation.

w alikum assalam

[ClapekDodki]

You seem to assume things and why are you attacking Masr? the situation in India/Pakistan is far worse.

Once upon a time there was a country it was called Al-Hind. Then Muhammed bin Qasim (RA) established a Islamic government in Sindh part of that country in 712AC. Th rest of the country was divided into small independent kingdoms. Over a period of time Muslims consolidated it and established several dynastic rules of Muslims. There were Mamlukes. There were Tughlaqs. There were Khalgis. There were Syeds. There were Lodhis. It is called Delhi Sultanet. When Halaqu Khan's forces devastated the Abbasid Empire the last surviving prince saved his life by escaping towards Al-Hind. This Sultanet produced the Kings like Altmash who did not miss the Sunnah prayers before Asr prayers. Then the Mughals took over from there. There was a brief period of about a decade where Sur Dynasty ruled. Shershah Suri in span of just few years gave India the road system as well as the postal system among other similar things. By the arrival of 19th century the Mughal Empire, amongst the biggest Empires ever seen by the history, lost its verve. It disappeared with a very visible flicker in 1857. India became part of the British Colonial Empire. The Scholars whom we remember around this place were involved in the fight against the British but Allah(SWT) had preferred defeat for them. And Allah(SWT) has His strange ways. And His decisions are the best for us. The stories of sacrifices of these Scholars are chronicled in Persian and Urdu news papers of that time. The English press covered the British point of view. The British point of view is available in the modern English History text books. The Muslim point of view is available in the books written by our Scholars. There is huge disparity between the two streams. People did not know about the Urdu-Persian sources based history. Dr Nadir Ali Khan Sahab (DB) worked on the History of Urdu journalism and presented some of the literature to the English audience. Khwaja Hasan Nizami has a set of twelve articles about the events of 1857 in Urdu. Yours truly does not have the courage to go through them. Scottish author William Dalrymple a decade ago told the English speaking world that there is Indian point of view also available about the events of 1857 in his book The Last Mughal.

Lots of Scholars of Islam were hanged on the trees from Western U.P. province of India to Delhi. Hazrat Haji Imdadullah Sahab (RA) migrated to Makkah. Many other also did the same. The rest established the seminary at Deoband in mid sixties of 19th century. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, born in 1817 in Delhi, established a school at Aligarh ten years later which now exists as the Aligarh Muslim Universitry. His contention was that Muslims should acquire modern English based education, including science and technology, to better their lot. Soon there started movements in India to remove the British rule and they all combined together to form a social phenomena, there were military streams also but with hindsight they seem insignificant, of gigantic proportions. India became independent in 1947 of the British Rule but with an important detail. A Muslim state called Pakistan, in two parts - East and West, too was created. Pakistan wanted Urdu as their national language but the East Pakistan will have none of it. West acted is strong manner but the East called for Indian help and the game was up. West Pakistan became or remained Pakistan and the East Pakistan became Bangladesh.

Muslims in India were and are scattered all over the country and no one in his wildest imagination should have thought that they all can migrate to, could migrate to the newly created Muslim state. As a result huge number of people were killed in the transmigration at the time of Partitions of India. Muslims of India got divided into three parts. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Some of our brothers in Pakistan expect that we Indian Muslims should act like Rambo and create an Islamic government in India. But there is a lacuna. There is appreciable population in India who did not like the creation of Pakistan. In fact India-Pakistan friction has been the most visible foreign policy element in the two countries ever since 1947. Many of the Scholars whom we remember in these forums had decided that they shall remain in India. The reasons were obvious. What was the logic and point of en masse migration of Muslims from Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka and Tamilnadu, the South India, to migrate to Pakistan. Even Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar are distant from the then created new state.

India decided to establish a secular democratic state with equal rights to all the people. But to demand equal rights for Muslims was not an easy exercise. Logically Muslims could demand their rights in free India because they were not at all the ones who wanted the partition in the first place but in the political environment where some of the Muslims had created a new country of Muslims it was not possible to assert Muslim rights and it did not happen. The people in India who had seen participation of Muslims in the struggle for freedom from the British had a kind attitude towards Muslims but that generation slowly died. Their spiritual, social and cultural successors are there but greatly reduced in number because of the very aggressive right wing activity by the detractors of Islam and Muslims - the activity that started even before partition of India. As a result social, cultural, political, economic and religious space for Muslims of India has constrained to visible levels. And when this is pointed out to our brothers from across the border the answer is given in the form of rubbing salt on the wounds. Oh if you have so many problems then why don't you migrate. Oh no thanks. Thank you for your kind suggestion.

And brother Nahda if you say that situation in India is much worse as compared to Egypt then this is not the truth. I'll leave the elaboration to other people. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to express my side of the story.

Wassalam

[Ruidselisse]

Have you read the article or are you simply out of your senses? No wonder the West holds the intellectual abilities of the Muslims in contempt.

I've read it yes i dont see the need to assume things about the Ikhwan what's up with the derogatory comment there's nothing wrong with my intellectual abilities don't worry and you aren't as clever as you think either focus on your own mess (Pakistan/India) first before you criticize Misr.

[ClapekDodki]

I've read it yes i dont see the need to assume things about the Ikhwan what's up with the derogatory comment there's nothing wrong with my intellectual abilities don't worry and you aren't as clever as you think either focus on your own mess (Pakistan/India) first before you criticize Misr.

As brother Beale says that gradual implementation of Shariah should not discourage us and Dr Abu Tamim should have made consideration for that. Some how we have not reached the required level of maturity to handle our problems. One obvious thing to do is not to start fighting with each other. Our western brothers manage it better than the rest of us. If they were only slightly larger in number the we shall be reduced to mere onlookers. I kid you not.