[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Since I was little detached by videos which I shouldn't have watched without any confirmation. I was directed by a friend, who does Rafa yadain also. My father asked me that don't listen to them. I don't but I will study later as Insha Allah my first target is learning Arabic, after then Quranic translation so studding Madhab is a task later. Insha Allah.

I watch lectures delivered by Brother Nouman Ali Khan, and brother abu Mussab wajdi akkari. It helped me out, in how to practice sabr, about salah and .... how to be a good muslim.

please brothers and sisters I need your kind advice, can I trust them?

[deethythitoth]

Salam 'Aleykum,

Trust who? people who say you must raise the hands? I raise the hands and I can't see why you shouldn't trust me.

Learning Arabic is a very beneficial thing, your lucky if you get to learn it.

[VioletttaJosetta]

your going to get different answers from different people as some will follow them and others won't i guess so im not sure how beneficial it will be for you to ask these questions here

majority of people on here will not follow the likes of Abu Mussab so will tell you the same

I think most are okay with Nouman Ali Khan, im not sure i havent listened to much of his stuff

[22CreessGah]

Since I was little detached by videos which I shouldn't have watched without any confirmation. I was directed by a friend, who does Rafa yadain also. My father asked me that don't listen to them. I don't but I will study later as Insha Allah my first target is learning Arabic, after then Quranic translation so studding Madhab is a task later. Insha Allah.

I watch lectures delivered by Brother Nouman Ali Khan, and brother abu Mussab wajdi akkari. It helped me out, in how to practice sabr, about salah and .... how to be a good muslim.

please brothers and sisters I need your kind advice, can I trust them?

Avoid Wajdi al-Akkari as he is extremely divisive and has a confrontational attitude. Brother Nouman Ali Khan doesn't talk about issues of fiqh, last I checked, so he will be of benefit. As for raising hands, it is not an essential aspect of salah. Since you're a Hanafi, it is best that you do NOT do rafa' yadain. If you were a Shafi'i or a Hanbali, then it would be better for you to do rafa' yadain. Even the Malikis do not do rafa' yadain. Proof from sunnah exist for both opinions.

[Dweplyododo]

avoid listening to abu musab but brother nauman is good as he sticks to non-fiqh related issues as he says it himself that he is not an scholar so thats why he doesn't get in to fiqh issues in his talk.

watch hanafi fiqh channel on youtube and there is also The Ink of Scholars Channel and also hikmah online channel


http://www.youtube.com/user/inkofscholars
http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifiqh
http://www.youtube.com/user/HikmahOnline

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Salam 'Aleykum,

Trust who? people who say you must raise the hands? I raise the hands and I can't see why you shouldn't trust me.
Learning Arabic is a very beneficial thing, your lucky if you get to learn it.

walykom assalaam.


and to trust....Nouman Ali Khan and brother abu mussab.
and about raising hands, I said I wanted to, but our mosque Imam said you will need to change your madhhab. so I got to think, I really need to study all madhahbs. Till that, I am a Hanafi, so I asked here should I trust these brothers or not? like being a Hanafi I should trust them?

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

your going to get different answers from different people as some will follow them and others won't i guess so im not sure how beneficial it will be for you to ask these questions here

majority of people on here will not follow the likes of Abu Mussab so will tell you the same

I think most are okay with Nouman Ali Khan, im not sure i havent listened to much of his stuff

sister, many many scholars, preachers are there but useless. Everyone tells you their own way. If Quran is One, last Prophet s.a.w is one why so many ways and so many distinctions? follow this scholar, don't listen to that? I am totally confused. May Allah help us.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Avoid Wajdi al-Akkari as he is extremely divisive and has a confrontational attitude. Brother Nouman Ali Khan doesn't talk about issues of fiqh, last I checked, so he will be of benefit. As for raising hands, it is not an essential aspect of salah. Since you're a Hanafi, it is best that you do NOT do rafa' yadain. If you were a Shafi'i or a Hanbali, then it would be better for you to do rafa' yadain. Even the Malikis do not do rafa' yadain. Proof from sunnah exist for both opinions.

brother.

Okay insha Allah. and good if Nouman Ali khan don't talks about fiqah issues, as I am not on that tract right now.

I wish raising hands was not essential as you mentioned. My friend said, Mohammad s.a.w always did that. so why shouldn't we? but Insha Allah may Allah show me the right path with all muslims. amin.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

@Badrud_Duja
Okay, Insha Allah. brother for these links.

@Nomadic
yes but they are always busy, if not, they get too much time in making reply. I Alhamdolillah get my satisfactory answers here. I am not asking about fiqah issues just simple guidance. JazakAllah for the links, the last two are new to me. will ask them now.

[iklostardinn]

Get this book. http://www.al-rashad.com/Who-are-the...ry_p_3787.html

Who Are The Blind Followers - A revised Edition of 'Why Is Taqleed Necessary?'

In this day and era in which every person claims to be an Islamic 'thinker', 'scholar', and 'researcher' in his own right and much unwarranted and devious criticism is being leveled against people who rightly recognize the significance of Taqlid, i.e. the unflinching and unwavering adherence to one Madh-hab in religious matters, there was a great need to remove doubts created in the minds of the unwary public. The author has very ably compiled this booklet wherein the replies to many pertinent questions pertaining to Taqlid have been given. The layout of the book is admirable in that it has been prepared in questions and answer format thus making it convenient for readers to find convincing replies to pertinent issues. He has endevoured to present the subject in layman's language, thereby facilitating its comprehension for as many readers as possible. Some of the issues tackled in the book are:

What is the need for different Madh-habs when there is one Quran and one [final] Prophet? Why do only four Madh-habs exist? Can all four schools of jurisprudence be concurrently correct? If a man claims to be following the fiqh of Imam al-Bukhari, will he not be on the straight path? List ten of the mist distinguished schlars of hadith, who hailed from different lands, and followed one of the four madh-habs. Explain Taqlid through a practical example; and more ...

The book consists of 25 similar questions about Taqlid. At the end of the book a summary has been presented of a debate between two scholars. Thereafter, as an example of how easily people are misled, the issue of performing salah with short-sleeves has been dealt with in detail

[22CreessGah]

brother.

Okay insha Allah. and good if Nouman Ali khan don't talks about fiqah issues, as I am not on that tract right now.

I wish raising hands was not essential as you mentioned. My friend said, Mohammad s.a.w always did that. so why shouldn't we? but Insha Allah may Allah show me the right path with all muslims. amin.

Your friend is not a Hanafi so he should not be telling Hanafis that the way they pray is wrong.

If you're really interested in finding out the Hanafi perspective, read this book:
http://attahawi.files.wordpress.com/...-al-yadayn.pdf

Or you may watch this video for a little less detailed reasoning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_-t...layer_embedded

[Doctor-CTAC]

brother.

Okay insha Allah. and good if Nouman Ali khan don't talks about fiqah issues, as I am not on that tract right now.

I wish raising hands was not essential as you mentioned. My friend said, Mohammad s.a.w always did that. so why shouldn't we? but Insha Allah may Allah show me the right path with all muslims. amin.

Your friend doesn't know what she's talking about.

There is no doubt that Rasulullah didn't make rafa` al-yadain at least some of the time. The difference between madhabs is what is preferable, and in our madhab what is preferable is not making rafa` al-yadain.

[lodsemelf]

brother.

Okay insha Allah. and good if Nouman Ali khan don't talks about fiqah issues, as I am not on that tract right now.

I wish raising hands was not essential as you mentioned. My friend said, Mohammad s.a.w always did that. so why shouldn't we? but Insha Allah may Allah show me the right path with all muslims. amin.

sister i from my knowledge the prophet (saw) did raise his hands but later stopped raisng his hands.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Your friend is not a Hanafi so he should not be telling Hanafis that the way they pray is wrong.

my friend is not a brother.

If you're really interested in finding out the Hanafi perspective, read this book:
http://attahawi.files.wordpress.com/...-al-yadayn.pdf

Or you may watch this video for a little less detailed reasoning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_-t...layer_embedded

brother for the links, I will watch them insha Allah.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

@maneatinglizard
@saqfu
Okay, yes I need to study myself. I am not believing my friend sayings without knowing properly. but can't even defend myself as I am a Hanafi by name I don't have the knowledge in depth of our madhhab.
for clarification.

@Omar2006
I need to purchase that book online?

[Alex]

Shalom Aleikhom,

Provided that it is true that evidence exists that the prophet used to raise his hands at times, and at other times the prophet never raised his hands, I would have to take it that both are ok. If both are ok, then I think it depends on the person who is doing it to decide if she/he wants to do it or not.

Regarding "who" to follow , every other person you ask may answer with a different and contradictory answer. This is a direct result of divisions made by people in the deen. Or is anyone telling you to follow Mr. X/Mr. Y top to bottom because he she is more "knowledgeable" ? If you yourself dont have the knowledge, how do you know that the person is "knowledgeable" ? Do they not have scholars who study Christiany/Judaism/Hinduism for life but still invite people to the wrong path ?

"And the example of those who disbelieve is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not comprehend." [Qur'an 2:171]

"And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for." [Qur'an 17:36]

Ask God for guidance and carry on with your striving for the sake of Allah, inshallah, you will walk in his straight path.

PEACE
--------------- Student of Allah

[Alex]

Bismillah
I have read post by student of Allah and found it full of oxymoron. He is quoting verses of quran without knowing the context and then tries to insinuate islamic scholarship is in the same boat. This disinjenious nature becomes more aparent when he posed a circular question. Basically he implied that because one does not know what is alzebra then no point asking a teacher who teaches alzebra on the ground that seeker does not know the teachers ability. Mashallah this are the types of view often associate with a ruybida (ill learned). Amazing todays notion of delusion of grandeur knows no bound and we are told to celebrate such jahalat.
Salam

Shalom Aleikhom,

I cant help it if you have tuned your mind to be offended. Even then, I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Let me summarize what I said in far more sugar coated vague terms that sell like hot cakes in the market:

1. As a muslim it is your responsibility to verify that you are being taught the correct things.
2. Do not blindly believe because God's deen has proof that you can establish by checking them out as much as it is humanly possible for you.
3. What God says is more important that what a human teacher may say, so always check if your teacher gives references and reasons with you.

Having said all that, I must tell you that I did not bad mouth all or any particular scholar that you or others revere. And when you talk about Islamic scholarship, please do take into consideration that they do not agree with each other on all aspects. That alone tells you that there is no need to glorify them to the level of "PERFECT". Opposing ideas are by definition witness to the fact that only one is right, not all.

It is always ok and very very good to consult the educated and learned people. But it is never OK to set them as partners to God. This is how most non-muslims remain non-muslims, because their scholars have studied for lifetime, so they can never be wrong !!!

The ayaats I quoted are not meaningless without context. They still stand as general rules. BLIND FOLLOWING is bad and one should not walk around with flags of a system that he/she himself does not understand. It makes you look stupid. This is what the extremists use to train terrorists, BLIND BELIEF, no place for QUESTIONING.

PEACE be on you

------------------------ Student of Allah

[BypeVupyide]

Shalom Aleikhom,

I cant help it if you have tuned your mind to be offended. Even then, I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Let me summarize what I said in far more sugar coated vague terms that sell like hot cakes in the market:

1. As a muslim it is your responsibility to verify that you are being taught the correct things.
2. Do not blindly believe because God's deen has proof that you can establish by checking them out as much as it is humanly possible for you.
3. What God says is more important that what a human teacher may say, so always check if your teacher gives references and reasons with you.

Having said all that, I must tell you that I did not bad mouth all or any particular scholar that you or others revere. And when you talk about Islamic scholarship, please do take into consideration that they do not agree with each other on all aspects. That alone tells you that there is no need to glorify them to the level of "PERFECT". Opposing ideas are by definition witness to the fact that only one is right, not all.

It is always ok and very very good to consult the educated and learned people. But it is never OK to set them as partners to God. This is how most non-muslims remain non-muslims, because their scholars have studied for lifetime, so they can never be wrong !!!

The ayaats I quoted are not meaningless without context. They still stand as general rules. BLIND FOLLOWING is bad and one should not walk around with flags of a system that he/she himself does not understand. It makes you look stupid. This is what the extremists use to train terrorists, BLIND BELIEF, no place for QUESTIONING.

PEACE be on you

------------------------ Student of Allah

This is great advise if you follow it appropriately

Student of Allah
Selling like hot cake in the market statement befitts laymen. Pornography also sells but this doesn't make it right.
Ohh! Blind following. So we are suppose to follow our lack of scholarship. As for the statment of Quran so you are now a muffasir as well. Do you know of the hadith where Rasulalh saw advised against laymen trying to interpret quran. You know nothing about usul of Fiqh, Usul of Hadith, usul of Quran but your relative post modernist Nafsi interpretation. I actually know the people who coined the term blind following in early 80's. The biggest terrorist are the lamadhabist who prefers chaos over the scholastic tradition existed for 1400 years. go and study at the feet of a scholar before trying to sound intelgients. How odd your name also doesn't make sense. Becuase it is in Quran where we are commanded to go to learned and people in authority. This was understood by the Sahaba where they would refer to only hand ful of sahaba for knowledge. Then again the hotcake selling point perhaps would have resulted in flogging. So if there is hadith and its speculative meaning yeilds differing view, it is wrong. Mashallah! When the sahaba even at the time of Rasullah (SAW) differed, the likes of you is going to declare the shaba's view is wrong. Perhaps Naudubillah correct Rasullah SAW. Delusion of grander of post modernist ill learned muslims knows no bound.
Where are the moderators (the schoalrs)? It is too often people with no links to scholars expresses opinion in matters of complex branch of relegion and gives rise to the ruibida tendency.

Allahualam

Nomadic what is your opinion if she blindly follows any Shia, Batani, or Barelvi Mushrik, and don't ask any question, don't check any reference. There is an appropriate balance b/w asking a reference/resason, and following a scholar, esp. in Aqaaid and Principle Fiqah, the equilibrium is toward asking not toward following. At least before sticking to a scholar, you need to make sure the scholar is obeying apparent Quran wa Hadith.

And whatever you are doing, either following or asking, the ultimate goal is to follow Quran wa sunnat. not to follow the scholar!

[22CreessGah]

There is nothing wrong with "blindly" following someone in Fiqh. There is absolutely something wrong with "blindly" following someone in Aqeeda.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Shalom Aleikhom.
Provided that it is true that evidence exists that the prophet used to raise his hands at times, and at other times the prophet never raised his hands, I would have to take it that both are ok. If both are ok, then I think it depends on the person who is doing it to decide if she/he wants to do it or not.

Walikom Assalam.
This is what I think of, if Mohammad s.a.w had practiced that for some time, why not me? just sometimes. I wanted to go both ways BUT I can't, as I am a Hanafi. In your lingo, a blind follower. Changing Madhab is a great pact, needs thorough study and mercy of Allah except which none can walk in light. I cannot switch on to rehearsals that go against to my Madhhab. It would be an incarnate lie. only if I change it, but one need to be scholarly enough. May Allah show us the right of paths.ameen.

Regarding "who" to follow , every other person you ask may answer with a different and contradictory answer. This is a direct result of divisions made by people in the deen. Or is anyone telling you to follow Mr. X/Mr. Y top to bottom because he she is more "knowledgeable" ? If you yourself dont have the knowledge, how do you know that the person is "knowledgeable" ? Do they not have scholars who study Christiany/Judaism/Hinduism for life but still invite people to the wrong path ?

Yes, I myself have no knowledge about my Madhhab but Alhamdolillah I am, from what I read and observe, more than thankful to Allah that I am not a sectarian. I am just a simple Muslim. These are the different schools of thought and not sects .

"And the example of those who disbelieve is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not comprehend." [Qur'an 2:171]
"And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for." [Qur'an 17:36]

There are many questions which I can't abjure just by saying I am a Hanafi. I need to study to fix my mind, which way I need to move Insha Allah and to answer these queries regarding. It makes no difference, I believe in Allah and Prophet s.a.w. The ultimate goal is one, we are to please our lord with our deeds and nothing more than that.

Ask God for guidance and carry on with your striving for the sake of Allah, inshallah, you will walk in his straight path.

okay, Insha Allah. Brother for yor advice.