[seervezex]

Often while doing dawah to atheists or non-muslims, we tend to 'put in their shoes' , we try to think like them so that we can find answers which will satisfy them. This is a trick of the Shaytaan..!! Beware of this method. Before we know Shaytaan will be hitting us with doubts and whispers from the left, the right, the front, the back. May Allah protect us. Ameen.

So Do not think like non-muslims for the sake of answering their questions. Please.

[Wluwsdtn]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
In fact I can not thank you enough to bring this point to the fore. Kufr and Islam can not be the same and it is foolish in to endanger your own faith for a possible redemption of some one else. These people have chosen their path out of their own volition and they are responsible for it in this world and the hereafter. Some times I find myself rather lonely when such things have to be pointed out. People have been given so much of a dose of Put Yourself in Their Shoes that it is not a trivial task to point out that there is deep danger in this line of action.

So

Wassalam

[ardsdelinq]

Just to add, I don't think people should play too much as 'the devil's advocate'.

[konanoileaski]

Assalam Alikum wa rahmat Allah

excellent reminder jazak Allah khair.
System of kofr has been dominant in the world and in many ways has penetrated us muslims thoughts and habits too(inshallah not our hearts). when doing dawah we should recognize the person is byproduct of hundreds years of sheytan and his friends culture. in fact one important effect of being a daee is for the daee to get hydayah himself that allah promoises due to him being a shahid. that is the main reason for dawah not to guide the other person. Allah is the hadi subhana wa taala
wassalam

[c6vkuNRg]

Its not so black and white. Dawah should be given based on the each persons personal standing. We put ourselves in their shoes so that we can relate to them better and give dawah that appropriately absorbable by them. The opposite is to go around like a parrot speaking to a stone.

Wasalam

[Wluwsdtn]

warea

Re: Trick of Shaytaan while doing Dawah to non muslims.
Its not so black and white. Dawah should be given based on the each persons personal standing. We put ourselves in their shoes so that we can relate to them better and give dawah that appropriately absorbable by them. The opposite is to go around like a parrot speaking to a stone.

Wasalam
Sigh.

[seervezex]

Its not so black and white. Dawah should be given based on the each persons personal standing. We put ourselves in their shoes so that we can relate to them better and give dawah that appropriately absorbable by them. The opposite is to go around like a parrot speaking to a stone.

Wasalam

Bro our job is only to do Dawah, guidance comes from Allah Alone. Do you think Ibrahim (as)'s Father didn't Accept Islam because there was a defect in the Prophet's method? No. Similarly there are lots of examples of the relatives of the Ambiya not accepting Islam. Thats not because of the defect in the message.

[c6vkuNRg]

Walaikum asslaam,

Yes, but that's not the point I was trying to make. The point is on how we choose to express or communicate the dawah. Its obvious and not something that requires explaining that, we have to look at traits of each person and express the dawah appropriately. A person in a remote village of North Korea and a person in New York city have traits that differ. This is when we put ourselves in their shoes and understand that which is most effective method of dawah or outreach to their situations and then deliver it. There are several reasons upon which a person can enter Islam and its not just by arguing about trinity or cosmological argument.

I can't think of any other meaning to "putting yourself in their shoes". This is also the way of the Prophet(pbuh) when he said to not make religion hard for the people. Similarily when he advising a person upon adultery, the person was made to take the shoes of a brother, father, etc and then inspect whether he himself would permit it for his women folk.

If this is not the point tw made, could he pose a example of how it can turn satanic ?

[seervezex]

If this is not the point tw made, could he pose a example of how it can turn satanic ?

Just imagine if a Muslim starts trying to think like an atheist.

He will start asking how do i prove to an atheist the day of Resurrection?
He will start looking for answers in Science. But most often Science won't be able to answer it.
Here is where Shaytaan targets with questions like. Am I in the right path? Is the atheist right?
Why is it not being able to be explained with Science?

Little does he think about what Allah commanded us BEFORE He commanded to pray Salah or give Zakat. Its Belief in UNSEEN.

“This is the Book. In it is guidance surely without any doubt, to those who fear God, who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them.” (Sura Baqarah, verse 2 and 3)

He forgets that Science cannot explain the Unseen. This might cause the Shaytaan's whispers to cause a substantial effect. This is what I m trying to warn.

[c6vkuNRg]

Dawah cannot be reduced to a simplistic recitation of Surat at tawhid to a person and then when the person disagrees, to recite Surat al kafirun and the move to the next person.

Even from strict argumentative point of view, we have to be in ttheir shoes and understand the argument of the opposition before refuting them. Imam Ghazzali(r) first composed the "intentions of the philosophers" before composing "incoherence of the philosophers". It is because we have abondoned this methodology in debates that we end up even in sectarian issues arguing upon wholly different issues or goal post shifts, strawmans and so forth. What we need is to first compose a book on the opposition beliefs such that the opposition themselves completely agree. Then go ahead with refuting it.

[c6vkuNRg]

Just imagine if a Muslim starts trying to think like an atheist.

He will start asking how do i prove to an atheist the day of Resurrection?
He will start looking for answers in Science. But most often Science won't be able to answer it.
Here is where Shaytaan targets with questions like. Am I in the right path? Is the atheist right?
Why is it not being able to be explained with Science?

Little does he think about what Allah commanded us BEFORE He commanded to pray Salah or give Zakat. Its Belief in UNSEEN.

“This is the Book. In it is guidance surely without any doubt, to those who fear God, who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them.” (Sura Baqarah, verse 2 and 3)

He forgets that Science cannot explain the Unseen. This might cause the Shaytaan's whispers to cause a substantial effect. This is what I m trying to warn.

Ok. I understand the point your making and I agree it can lead to skepticism. But the cause of the skepticism is based upon his own ignorance of the answer. Such a person is not even ready to do dawah in the first place.

If he had a background on principles of evidence he would know that testimony or divine revelation are perfect reasonable ways of obtaining knowledge and that science is limited to material that is sensorily perceptible.

Wasalam

[seervezex]

Dawah cannot be reduced to a simplistic recitation of Surat at tawhid to a person and then when the person disagrees, to recite Surat al kafirun and the move to the next person.

Even from strict argumentative point of view, we have to be in ttheir shoes and understand the argument of the opposition before refuting them. Imam Ghazzali(r) first composed the "intentions of the philosophers" before composing "incoherence of the philosophers". It is because we have abondoned this methodology in debates that we end up even in sectarian issues arguing upon wholly different issues or goal post shifts, strawmans and so forth. What we need is to first compose a book on the opposition beliefs such that the opposition themselves completely agree. Then go ahead with refuting it.

Brother my advice was for Laymen like us. Imam Ghazzali's Understanding of Islam is not like ours. He has deep knowledge.
We Laymen on the other hand have only superficial knowledge.

I am not asking to say the same words to A christian and an atheist. Definetely some topics are to be more stressed for different groups.
But if we start searching for knowledge to satisfy them, then its very dangerous for Laymen. One will definetly be hit with Waswaas.

[seervezex]

If he had a background on principles of evidence he would know that testimony or divine revelation are perfect reasonable ways of obtaining knowledge and that science is limited to material that is sensorily perceptible.

Wasalam

I agree.

[elects]

Its not so black and white. Dawah should be given based on the each persons personal standing.

We put ourselves in their shoes so that we can relate to them better and give dawah that appropriately absorbable by them.

The opposite is to go around like a parrot speaking to a stone.

Jazak OP for this important reminder...

but i agree more with @warea..he makes a very important dawah point here , which facilitates effective dawah.

[violetgorman]

Often while doing dawah to atheists or non-muslims, we tend to 'put in their shoes' , we try to think like them so that we can find answers which will satisfy them. This is a trick of the Shaytaan..!! Beware of this method. Before we know Shaytaan will be hitting us with doubts and whispers from the left, the right, the front, the back. May Allah protect us. Ameen.

So Do not think like non-muslims for the sake of answering their questions. Please.

So true we shouldn’t stoop down to the level of the non-Muslims rather they ought to rise up to our level.

“They said: ‘Our Lord doth know that we have been sent on a mission to you’”[Yasin verse 16]

Obviously the non believers here don’t care to know this as they don’t even believe in Allah SWT. This reasoning is above them but still the messengers use it because it is the absolute truth and, whether unbelievers like it or not, there is no substitute for the truth. Nothing else can be said. WAllaahu A'lam

[elects]

Just imagine if a Muslim starts trying to think like an atheist.

He will start asking how do i prove to an atheist the day of Resurrection?
He will start looking for answers in Science. But most often Science won't be able to answer it.
Here is where Shaytaan targets with questions like. Am I in the right path? Is the atheist right?
Why is it not being able to be explained with Science?

Little does he think about what Allah commanded us BEFORE He commanded to pray Salah or give Zakat. Its Belief in UNSEEN.

“This is the Book. In it is guidance surely without any doubt, to those who fear God, who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them.” (Sura Baqarah, verse 2 and 3)

He forgets that Science cannot explain the Unseen. This might cause the Shaytaan's whispers to cause a substantial effect. This is what

I m trying to warn.

good dawah training points..especially warnings of shaitan' whispers...

[seervezex]

The Dangers of using Scientific Rationalism in explaining Quran and Islam. Remember Science deals only with the Material world. Islam explains both the Unseen and the Material world. Science can never explain the Unseen world, so its irrational to use science to explain Islam.


Scientific Rationalism Towards Qur'aan - Nouman Ali Khan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTaBhLmrHSs

[Wluwsdtn]

but i agree more with @warea..he makes a very important dawah point here , which facilitates effective dawah.

Sister the point this brother is making is exactly opposite of what is being asserted in this thread. Only one of them can be true. Do you really prefer the position that is opposite to the spirit advocated by this thread? Why should we put our selves in the shoes of those who deny Allah(SWT), beloved Prophet (PBUH) and here after? Do you realize the severity of this preposition? These things are inconceivable.

[elects]

@maripat, basically both have very worthy views of dawah...

br.amr Mashaa'Allah is already on peak now in his dawah work...keep going!

He has lot of patience...

May Allah swt. provide us too with the same naimah..aameen!

[pirinosa]

Great thread, post 1 & 9 do the job, it was a WAKE UP CALL for me.