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carletoxtrs 12-15-2011 03:57 AM

Would you help a Muslim whos Iman may be in Danger ?
 
As-salaamualaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh,

Those who don't have GOOD KNOWLEDGE about Islam, Please Don't Read !!!

Firstly please if possible subscribe this post.

Secondly, I'm Born into a Muslim Family Alhamdulillaah. I'm getting questions in my mind. Please Suggest.

I read some PDF online from a Non Muslim. He wrote things against Islam in it. He is a Hindu.

"A time came in Islamic history when the Muslims faced severe persecution from the unyielding Meccans, so severe infact, that eighty three of Muhammad.s followers had to flee to Abyssinia(Ethiopia). When the persecution grew worse, Muhammad under went a moment of despair and made compromising. revelations..He declared the possibility of Allah having a wife,Al-Lat and two daughters,Al-Uzza and Mannat,as recorded in Surat an-Najim:.For truly did he see,the signs of his Lord,the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third[goddess] Manat ? What! For you the male sex,and for him,the female ? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!.(Sura 53:18-22).

This indirect confession of polytheism made the Meccan pagans happy. Their bone of contention had been done away with (earlier, he had fearlessly lashed out against polytheism). The Meccans immediately lifted the boycott, stopped the persecution, and peace again reigned in Mecca. The Muslims who had migrated to Ethiopia heard the good news and returned home. But by then, Muhammad had with drawn his confession. It appears that Muhammad realized the far reaching negative effect his compromise with the polytheists would have on his ministry. Soon at least this one occasion, he admitted that he was actually inspired by Satan, as we read in Surat al-Hajj:.Never did we send an Apostle or a prophet before thee but when he frame a desire, Satan threw some[vanity]into his desire. But God will cancel anything[vain] that Satan throws in. And God will confirm[and establish] his signs. For God is full of knowledge and wisdom, that he may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial. For those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: Verily the wrongdoers are in a schism far[from truth ].(Surat al-Hajj 22:52,53). The Al-Jalalayn interpretation is that after Muhammad recited Surat an-Najim (Sura53) before a Council, the angel Gabriel informed him
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that the verses were put in his tongue by Satan. Muhammad felt sorry and confessed his mistakes, supposing a similar fate befell preceding apostles. Later on Allah annulled these Satanic verses with better. revelations..As the last part of verse 53 suggests, Allah supposedly permitted Satanic utterances to be in the Koran to test weak Muslims or to cut off those who had hardened hearts. Thus,Islam itself regards Sura 53:18-22 to be Satanic, and Muhammad did indeed reject them later. Remember Salman Rushdie ? He didn't invent those Satanic verses. Those Satanic verses are really in the Koran."

What he wants to say also is that Angel Jibraeel didn't come to him but it was Jinn (or Satan) which came in the form of Jibraeel 'Alaihis-Salaam (as they can) and told all lie. And if we say that at many places in Quran Satan has been presented badly and has been stated to say "I seek refuge from Allah from the outcast Satan." before reading Quran then they can say Satan would anyways want to deviate people so he would say these things to keep people in his path.

How do you answer ?

I'm not going to tell him but i just need an answer.

carletoxtrs 12-15-2011 04:05 AM

As-salaamualaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh,

Those who don't have GOOD KNOWLEDGE about Islam, Please Don't Read !!!

Firstly please if possible subscribe this post.

Secondly, I'm Born into a Muslim Family Alhamdulillaah. I'm getting questions in my mind. Please Suggest.

I read some PDF online from a Non Muslim. He wrote things against Islam in it. He is a Hindu.

"A time came in Islamic history when the Muslims faced severe persecution from the unyielding Meccans, so severe infact, that eighty three of Muhammad.s followers had to flee to Abyssinia(Ethiopia). When the persecution grew worse, Muhammad under went a moment of despair and made compromising. revelations..He declared the possibility of Allah having a wife,Al-Lat and two daughters,Al-Uzza and Mannat,as recorded in Surat an-Najim:.For truly did he see,the signs of his Lord,the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third[goddess] Manat ? What! For you the male sex,and for him,the female ? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!.(Sura 53:18-22).

This indirect confession of polytheism made the Meccan pagans happy. Their bone of contention had been done away with (earlier, he had fearlessly lashed out against polytheism). The Meccans immediately lifted the boycott, stopped the persecution, and peace again reigned in Mecca. The Muslims who had migrated to Ethiopia heard the good news and returned home. But by then, Muhammad had with drawn his confession. It appears that Muhammad realized the far reaching negative effect his compromise with the polytheists would have on his ministry. Soon at least this one occasion, he admitted that he was actually inspired by Satan, as we read in Surat al-Hajj:.Never did we send an Apostle or a prophet before thee but when he frame a desire, Satan threw some[vanity]into his desire. But God will cancel anything[vain] that Satan throws in. And God will confirm[and establish] his signs. For God is full of knowledge and wisdom, that he may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial. For those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: Verily the wrongdoers are in a schism far[from truth ].(Surat al-Hajj 22:52,53). The Al-Jalalayn interpretation is that after Muhammad recited Surat an-Najim (Sura53) before a Council, the angel Gabriel informed him
Islam Reviewed 35

that the verses were put in his tongue by Satan. Muhammad felt sorry and confessed his mistakes, supposing a similar fate befell preceding apostles. Later on Allah annulled these Satanic verses with better. revelations..As the last part of verse 53 suggests, Allah supposedly permitted Satanic utterances to be in the Koran to test weak Muslims or to cut off those who had hardened hearts. Thus,Islam itself regards Sura 53:18-22 to be Satanic, and Muhammad did indeed reject them later. Remember Salman Rushdie ? He didn't invent those Satanic verses. Those Satanic verses are really in the Koran."

What he wants to say also is that Angel Jibraeel didn't come to him but it was Jinn (or Satan) which came in the form of Jibraeel 'Alaihis-Salaam (as they can) and told all lie. And if we say that at many places in Quran Satan has been presented badly and has been stated to say "I seek refuge from Allah from the outcast Satan." before reading Quran then they can say Satan would anyways want to deviate people so he would say these things to keep people in his path.

How do you answer ?

I'm not going to tell him but i just need an answer.

2puO4Rhf 12-15-2011 04:46 AM

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum, my brother in Islam:

Welcome to the Forum.

May Allah guide, you, me and all of us to the Straight Path.

Brother, I am happy that you like to search for knowledge of the deen. However, Brother, it is better to gain knowledge at the hands of scholars than the Internet. As you yourself experienced recently, the Internet also has message about Islam from the unbelievers. However, the unbelievers have mixed their information on Islam with some truths and some lies to such an extent that innocent brothers and sisters in Islam like you start to have doubts in your heart.

Brother, first and foremost, I swear to you that therein is nothing doubtful about Islam but that there is doubt in the hearts of non-Muslims as to how to mislead Muslims. That is why, instigated by shaitaan, they work tirelessly to corrupt the iman of Muslims. This is good news, for that means they are afraid of Islam. Otherwise, why would they try so hard to malign Islam?

Finally, Brother, I found this resource for you, which may be of some help. Satanic Verses.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

VottCetaVeivE 12-15-2011 06:45 AM

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As-salaamualaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh,
http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/wasalam.gif Brother.

I read some PDF online from a Non Muslim. He wrote things against Islam in it. He is a Hindu.

"A time came in Islamic history when the Muslims faced severe persecution from the unyielding Meccans, so severe infact, that eighty three of Muhammad.s followers had to flee to Abyssinia(Ethiopia). When the persecution grew worse, Muhammad under went a moment of despair and made compromising. revelations..He declared the possibility of Allah having a wife,Al-Lat and two daughters,Al-Uzza and Mannat,as recorded in Surat an-Najim:.For truly did he see,the signs of his Lord,the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third[goddess] Manat ? What! For you the male sex,and for him,the female ? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!.(Sura 53:18-22).
He is certainly twisting the facts and making false interpretations of verses. He mentions the verses of Suratul Najim 18-22 but he does not mention the 23rd Ayah.
Here are verses 17-23:


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The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. (17)
He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord. (18)
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? (19) And Manat, the third - the other one? (20)
Is the male for you and for Him the female? (21) That, then, is an unjust division. (22)
They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority.
They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance. (23)




Dear Brother, Look how Allah the Almighty Himself broke the hindu's argument in the next Ayah. http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/subh.gif ! Allah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/taala.gif himself mentions that Lat and Uzza were mere names and inventions of men, and they have NO authority.

Just by looking at this itself is abundant proof that the hindu guy was blatantly lying and trying to confuse laymen Muslims. That guy was writing his own stories, trying desperately to fit his theories. lol.
May Allah protect us.Ameen.

A small piece of advice brother, refrain from browsing such websites. Recite more of the Quran, it will strengthen you Imaan http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/insh.gif. Recite Suratul Ikhlas(Qulhu wallahu ahad) many times daily.

VottCetaVeivE 12-15-2011 07:08 AM

http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/wasalam.gif Brother.



He is certainly twisting the facts and making false interpretations of verses. He mentions the verses of Suratul Najim 18-22 but he does not mention the 23rd Ayah.
Here are verses 17-23:


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The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. (17)
He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord. (18)
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? (19) And Manat, the third - the other one? (20)
Is the male for you and for Him the female? (21) That, then, is an unjust division. (22)
They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority.
They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance. (23)




Dear Brother, Look how Allah the Almighty Himself broke the hindu's argument in the next Ayah. http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/subh.gif ! Allah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/taala.gif himself mentions that Lat and Uzza were mere names and inventions of men, and they have NO authority.

Just by looking at this itself is abundant proof that the hindu guy was blatantly lying and trying to confuse laymen Muslims. That guy was writing his own stories, trying desperately to fit his theories. lol.
May Allah protect us.Ameen.

A small piece of advice brother, refrain from browsing such websites. Recite more of the Quran, it will strengthen you Imaan http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/insh.gif. Recite Suratul Ikhlas(Qulhu wallahu ahad) many times daily.

Mugflefusysef 12-15-2011 07:22 AM

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Your answer in detail can be found here:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/sverses.html

wa Allaahu Alam.

carletoxtrs 12-15-2011 11:15 PM

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http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/wasalam.gif Brother.



He is certainly twisting the facts and making false interpretations of verses. He mentions the verses of Suratul Najim 18-22 but he does not mention the 23rd Ayah.
Here are verses 17-23:


http://discussworldissues.com/forums.../bismillah.gif
The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. (17)
He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord. (18)
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? (19) And Manat, the third - the other one? (20)
Is the male for you and for Him the female? (21) That, then, is an unjust division. (22)
They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority.
They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance. (23)




Dear Brother, Look how Allah the Almighty Himself broke the hindu's argument in the next Ayah. http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/subh.gif ! Allah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/taala.gif himself mentions that Lat and Uzza were mere names and inventions of men, and they have NO authority.

Just by looking at this itself is abundant proof that the hindu guy was blatantly lying and trying to confuse laymen Muslims. That guy was writing his own stories, trying desperately to fit his theories. lol.
May Allah protect us.Ameen.

A small piece of advice brother, refrain from browsing such websites. Recite more of the Quran, it will strengthen you Imaan http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/insh.gif. Recite Suratul Ikhlas(Qulhu wallahu ahad) many times daily.

Can you answer one more question ?

How was Quran Compiled ? From what i remember he wrote that Quran was first collected by Abu Bakr and Umar (RaziALLAHu 'Anhum) and i also know that. But he then said there were 3 copies of Quran and there were slight differences in all 3 of them so Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) burned 2 of them and changed slightly the 3rd one acccording to how Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) Remembered. So, didn't all the Sahaba memorize the same Quran as our Nabi (Sallallaahualaihi Wasallam) recited ? Or some forgot some verses and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu Remembered and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu don't agree with other verses which others remember ?

carletoxtrs 12-15-2011 11:16 PM

Can you answer one more question ?

How was Quran Compiled ? From what i remember he wrote that Quran was first collected by Abu Bakr and Umar (RaziALLAHu 'Anhum) and i also know that. But he then said there were 3 copies of Quran and there were slight differences in all 3 of them so Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) burned 2 of them and changed slightly the 3rd one acccording to how Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) Remembered. So, didn't all the Sahaba memorize the same Quran as our Nabi (Sallallaahualaihi Wasallam) recited ? Or some forgot some verses and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu Remembered and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu don't agree with other verses which others remember ?

carletoxtrs 12-15-2011 11:17 PM

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Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum, my brother in Islam:

Welcome to the Forum.

May Allah guide, you, me and all of us to the Straight Path.

Brother, I am happy that you like to search for knowledge of the deen. However, Brother, it is better to gain knowledge at the hands of scholars than the Internet. As you yourself experienced recently, the Internet also has message about Islam from the unbelievers. However, the unbelievers have mixed their information on Islam with some truths and some lies to such an extent that innocent brothers and sisters in Islam like you start to have doubts in your heart.

Brother, first and foremost, I swear to you that therein is nothing doubtful about Islam but that there is doubt in the hearts of non-Muslims as to how to mislead Muslims. That is why, instigated by shaitaan, they work tirelessly to corrupt the iman of Muslims. This is good news, for that means they are afraid of Islam. Otherwise, why would they try so hard to malign Islam?

Finally, Brother, I found this resource for you, which may be of some help. Satanic Verses.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.
Can you answer one more question ?

How was Quran Compiled ? From what i remember he wrote that Quran was first collected by Abu Bakr and Umar (RaziALLAHu 'Anhum) and i also know that. But he then said there were 3 copies of Quran and there were slight differences in all 3 of them so Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) burned 2 of them and changed slightly the 3rd one acccording to how Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) Remembered. So, didn't all the Sahaba memorize the same Quran as our Nabi (Sallallaahualaihi Wasallam) recited ? Or some forgot some verses and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu Remembered and Uthman RaziALLAHu Anhu don't agree with other verses which others remember ?

VottCetaVeivE 12-15-2011 11:35 PM

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Can you answer one more question ?

How was Quran Compiled ? From what i remember he wrote that Quran was first collected by Abu Bakr and Umar (RaziALLAHu 'Anhum) and i also know that. But he then said there were 3 copies of Quran and there were slight differences in all 3 of them so Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) burned 2 of them and changed slightly the 3rd one acccording to how Uthman (RaziALLAHu anhu) Remembered.
No thats a wrong propaganda spread by the Christians that Uthman (ra) changed the Quran. I shall post the detailed explaination of the preservation of the Quran in a short while.

You can watch this video also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m0J_xeYTg

VottCetaVeivE 12-15-2011 11:56 PM

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carletoxtrs 12-17-2011 12:43 PM

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No thats a wrong propaganda spread by the Christians that Uthman (ra) changed the Quran. I shall post the detailed explaination of the preservation of the Quran in a short while.

You can watch this video also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m0J_xeYTg

JazakALLAH Khair so much brother. I really appreciate that and it really helped. JazakALLAH Khair. I will remember you in my supplication.

VottCetaVeivE 12-17-2011 12:55 PM

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JazakALLAH Khair so much brother. I really appreciate that and it really helped. JazakALLAH Khair. I will remember you in my supplication.
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http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/insh.gif I shall make dua for you too brother.

O Allah protect us from doubts and strengthen our Imaan.
O Allah be pleased with us and make us from the people of Jannah.
Ameen.

carletoxtrs 12-17-2011 08:03 PM

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http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/insh.gif I shall make dua for you too brother.

O Allah protect us from doubts and strengthen our Imaan.
O Allah be pleased with us and make us from the people of Jannah.
Ameen.
Ameen...Summa Ameen


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