[Elisabetxxx]

From what I feel, overall, Hanafi is the strictest and Shafi is the easiest. Here is why:
1) You can only pray the fardh and not every pray anything else (including witr) - no problem
2) no kaffarah for eating intentionally
3) no hurme musahharat
4) plucking of eyebrows allowed
5) shaving the beard allowed
6) pants below the ankles allowed
7) combining salat in journey allowed without any excuse
8) i heard combining salat during rain also allowed
9) no zakat on gold/silver jewellery
10) bismillah not a requirement for slaughter
11) it seems niqab not required either
12) udhiya/qurbani not wajib
13) witr not wajib
14) haram fantasizing about opposite gender not sinful even while having intimate relations

Catch all: if anything is stricter compared to other madhabs, one can follow the other madhab by doing mix-and-match without any need/excuse - absolutely no problem

the last time i checked, it was obligatory under all 4 imams to keep atleast 1 fist length beard

[AricGoffgog]

the last time i checked, it was obligatory under all 4 imams to keep atleast 1 fist length beard

i don't know where you checked it, but shaving the beard in shafi fiqh is makhruh tanzihi which is pretty close to permissible. i don't want to argue about this as this has been discussed to death on this forum. Just check sunnipath or older threads.

[VottCetaVeivE]

From what I feel, overall, Hanafi is the strictest and Shafi is the easiest:

2) no kaffarah for eating intentionally

4) plucking of eyebrows allowed

6) pants below the ankles allowed

7) combining salat in journey allowed without any excuse

9) no zakat on gold/silver jewellery

10) bismillah not a requirement for slaughter

11) it seems niqab not required either

15) all seafood allowed

Are you saying all this is from Shafi'i Madhab? Look up in Reliance of a Traveller bro. There is Zakat on gold and silver. I don't think plucking of eyebrows is allowed. I have doubts about the above posted points. Well I m not in for a discussion. But kindly verify on such things before posting.

[AssinHT]

the last time i checked, it was obligatory under all 4 imams to keep atleast 1 fist length beard

Certainly not the case within the Shafi`i and Maliki madhaahib.

According to the Maliki school, the well-known (and stricter) opinion is that it is waajib to refrain from shaving the goatee, anything more than that is sunnah, and not an obligation.

Furthermore, trimming is completely acceptable, and Imam Malik said, "there is nothing wrong with shortening it [the beard] if it becomes too long."

And Allah knows best.

[VottCetaVeivE]

I've also noticed some people I've spoken to, when discussing madhabs, claim (with a bit of pride) that their madhab is strictest. But it seems to me that each madhab has different areas where it is stricter than others and other areas a bit relaxed than other madhabs. So saying which madhab is strictest is impossible to answer...

[VottCetaVeivE]

Certainly not the case within the Shafi`i and Maliki madhaahib.

According to the Maliki school, the well-known (and stricter) opinion is that it is waajib to refrain from shaving the goatee, anything more than that is sunnah, and not an obligation.

Yes What I know is in Shafi'i its Makhrooh to shave/trim beard.

[AricGoffgog]

Certainly not the case within the Shafi`i and Maliki madhaahib.

According to the Maliki school, the well-known (and stricter) opinion is that it is waajib to refrain from shaving the goatee, anything more than that is sunnah, and not an obligation.

Brother I can be a reasonable person. While I admit it is makhruhe tanzihi (close to permissible) to shave in the Shafi school, the opinion you are mentioning in the Maliki school (and which has been popularized by the practice of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf) is not the relied upon position in the Maliki school. A long beard is required in the Maliki school even though "long" is not defined. But an honest person can tell you long is something which hangs quite a bit and not just somewhat. As for the jaws, being considered beard, it is part of the beard as Shaykh Hamza Maqbool confirmed I believe in another thread. He also confirmed the length.

[bestworkother]

From what I feel, overall, Hanafi is the strictest and Shafi is the easiest:
1) You can only pray the fardh and not every pray anything else (including witr) - no problem
2) no kaffarah for eating intentionally
3) no hurme musahharat
4) plucking of eyebrows allowed
5) shaving the beard allowed
6) pants below the ankles allowed
7) combining salat in journey allowed without any excuse
8) i heard combining salat during rain also allowed
9) no zakat on gold/silver jewellery
10) bismillah not a requirement for slaughter
11) it seems niqab not required either
12) udhiya/qurbani not wajib
13) witr not wajib
14) haram fantasizing about opposite gender not sinful even while having intimate relations
15) all seafood allowed

Catch all: if anything is stricter compared to other madhabs, one can follow the other madhab by doing mix-and-match without any need/excuse - absolutely no problem - this is what has been relayed to me reliably from Moulana Taha Karan

I personally do not recall encountering any issue where the Shafis did not opt for another less reliable position or position from another madhab when their opinion was strict, unless the easier opinion is an opinion held by the salafis.

brother,

better to check your points with shafii scholars. "I heard" is not strong enough to base a decision on. I know for sure points no.4,9 & 10 are wrong. And I don't quite understand what do you mean as "haram" but not "sinful" on number 14? Also no. 7 can only be done with certain conditions are met.

Actually, a few of the stuffs you mentioned are also makruh, like no. 6.

My advice, It's better to check with a shafii scholar.

Allah Knows best.

[VottCetaVeivE]

5) shaving the beard allowed ! lol, when did Makhrooh = allowed. I seriously request brother hope1 to edit the post. Its very misleading.

[AricGoffgog]

! lol, when did Makhrooh = allowed. I seriously request brother hope1 to edit the post. Its very misleading.

I will edit that. However, if you speak to any Shafi or Hanafi scholar they will tell you makhruhe tanzihi is close to mubah.

[Markdogas]

11) it seems niqab not required either

That also seems incorrect from what I heard (indirectly) from a Shafi'i Ustadha.

Wallaahu A'lam.

[AricGoffgog]

brother,

better to check your points with shafii scholars. "I heard" is not strong enough to base a decision on. I know for sure points no.4,9 & 10 are wrong. And I don't quite understand what do you mean as "haram" but not "sinful" on number 14? Also no. 7 can only be done with certain conditions are met.

Actually, a few of the stuffs you mentioned are also makruh, like no. 6.

My advice, It's better to check with a shafii scholar.

Allah Knows best.

i am providing proof for everything. Points 4, 9 and 10 are correct. Wait for the proof. I am getting from Reliance of the Traveller, Shafifiqh.com and Sunnipath.com

[desmond001]

I will edit that. However, if you speak to any Shafi or Hanafi scholar they will tell you makhruhe tanzihi is close to mubah.

makruh is close to haram not mubah..

[bestworkother]

I will edit that. However, if you speak to any Shafi or Hanafi scholar they will tell you makhruhe tanzihi is close to mubah.

My opinion is better be safe and refer it to a shafii scholar.

[VottCetaVeivE]

i am providing proof for everything. Points 4, 9 and 10 are correct. Wait for the proof. I am getting from Reliance of the Traveller, Shafifiqh.com and Sunnipath.com

9) no zakat on gold/silver jewellery
h4.0 ZAKAT ON GOLD, SILVER,
AND OTHER MONEY
h4.1 Zakat is obligatory for anyone who has
possessed the zakat-payable amount of gold or
silver for one year.
THE ZAKAT-PAYABLE AMOUNTS OF
GOLD, SILVER, AND 0THER MONEY
h4.2 The zakat-payable minimum for gold is
84.7 grams, on which 2.1175 grams (2.5 percent) is
due. The zakat-payable minimum for silver is
592.9 grams, on which 14.8225 grams (2.5 percent)
is due. There is no zakat on less that this.
(N: One must pay zakat (n: 2.5 percent) on all
money that has been saved for a year if it equals at
least the market value of 592.9 grams of silver (n:
that is current during the year). While there is a
considerable difference between the value of the
gold zakat minimum and the silver zakat
minimum, the minimum for monetary currency
should correspond to that of silver, since it is better
for the poor.)
h4.3 . Zakat is exacted proportionately (2.5 percent)
on any amount over these minimums,
whether the gold or silver is in coins, ingots,
jewelry prepared for uses that are unlawful or
offensive (dis: f17.6,8,1l), or articles which are
permanent acquisitions.
h4.4 There is no zakat on (n: gold or silver)
jewelry that is for permissible use.


You said there is 'no' Zakat. Well there IS zakat on gold and silver. Only the jewellery that is used often is exempted.

[AricGoffgog]

That also seems incorrect from what I heard (indirectly) from a Shafi'i Ustadha.

Wallaahu A'lam.

wait till i post Moulana Taha Karan's fatwao

[AricGoffgog]

h4.0 ZAKAT ON GOLD, SILVER,
AND OTHER MONEY
h4.1 Zakat is obligatory for anyone who has
possessed the zakat-payable amount of gold or
silver for one year.
THE ZAKAT-PAYABLE AMOUNTS OF
GOLD, SILVER, AND 0THER MONEY
h4.2 The zakat-payable minimum for gold is
84.7 grams, on which 2.1175 grams (2.5 percent) is
due. The zakat-payable minimum for silver is
592.9 grams, on which 14.8225 grams (2.5 percent)
is due. There is no zakat on less that this.
(N: One must pay zakat (n: 2.5 percent) on all
money that has been saved for a year if it equals at
least the market value of 592.9 grams of silver (n:
that is current during the year). While there is a
considerable difference between the value of the
gold zakat minimum and the silver zakat
minimum, the minimum for monetary currency
should correspond to that of silver, since it is better
for the poor.)
h4.3 . Zakat is exacted proportionately (2.5 percent)
on any amount over these minimums,
whether the gold or silver is in coins, ingots,
jewelry prepared for uses that are unlawful or
offensive (dis: f17.6,8,1l), or articles which are
permanent acquisitions.
h4.4 There is no zakat on (n: gold or silver)
jewelry that is for permissible use.


You said there is 'no' Zakat. Well there IS zakat on gold and silver. Only the jewellery that is used often is exempted.

I only mentioned gold and silver jewellery. Please check initial post

[VottCetaVeivE]

4) plucking of eyebrows allowed w51.0 WOMEN REMOVING FACIAL
HAIR (from p59.I)
wSl.I The Prophe~ (Allah bless him and give
him peace) said,
"May Allah curse women who wear false hair
or arrange it for others, who tattoo or have themselves
tattooed, who pluck facial hair or eyebrows
or have them plucked, and women who separate
their front teeth for beauty, altering what Allah
has created."
w51.2 (Ibn Hajar "Asqalani Nawawi says that
"an exception from the prohibition of plucking
away facial hair is when a woman has a beard,
mustache, or hair growing between her lower lip
and chin, in which cases it is not unlawful for her
to remove it, but rather is ~ommendable (mustahabb),"
the permissibility being on condition
that her husband knows of it and gives his permission,
though it is prohibited if he does not,
because of the deception it entails (Fath ai-Ban
(y17),10.378).

Plucking facial hair is prohibited, exceptions are mentioned.

[VottCetaVeivE]

I only mentioned gold and silver jewellery. Please check initial post

There IS zakat on 'jewellery' also. Only exemption is the ones that one 'regularly' uses.

[AssinHT]

Brother I can be a reasonable person. While I admit it is makhruhe tanzihi (close to permissible) to shave in the Shafi school, the opinion you are mentioning in the Maliki school (and which has been popularized by the practice of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf) is not the relied upon position in the Maliki school. A long beard is required in the Maliki school even though "long" is not defined. But an honest person can tell you long is something which hangs quite a bit and not just somewhat. As for the jaws, being considered beard, it is part of the beard as Shaykh Hamza Maqbool confirmed I believe in another thread. He also confirmed the length.

- a fellow man of reason!



While I am willing to accept that there will be some ikhtilaaf upon the mas'alah, I have not found anything to substantiate your claim that the position I have cited is not relied upon within the Maliki madh'hab, thus I would appreciate anything you could show me to suggest otherwise.

In the Risaalah of Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani , which is one of the most famous and respect works on Maliki fiqh by one of the most famous Maliki scholars from the Muslim West, it is mentioned that the Prophetic commandment of 'leaving the beard' is to allow it to become thick (which is dealt with arbitrarily by many of the Malikiyyah). Furthermore, contrary to what you have said, 'long' is defined within the madh'hab by 'custom', i.e. more than the length of beard that is generally kept within the community, and on top of that, the Malikiyyah say that it is mandub (i.e. recommended) to trim it if it exceeds what is considered to be long.

And Allah knows best.

P.S., with regard to your statement about Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, the Shaykh has previously stated (and you may be able to find evidence of this somewhere online) that his beard does not grow properly on his face, therefore he shaves that part off and keeps what he can grow. This is more than obvious to see in This Video.