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Br. Suliman
I wish you all the best. The anarcist can not fathom anything if it means using aql other then copying and reading wihtout understanding. the Khwarij did not understand. So expacting the modern version now more deluded then the khawarij is like a miracle.

Allahualam

May Allah increase all of us in 'ilm and 'hilm. Most of the regular posters know already what our salafi brother's Modus operandi is, but I wanted to post it because this is a public forum and some unwary person may be mislead due to his post.

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in my "gotta buying" list

Put it amongst your top 5.

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When I get the time I'll try to post Imam Abu Hanifah's jurisprudential skill in light of other Imam's views from the book 'Uqudul Jamman fee manaqibil Imamil A'tham Abi Hanifata An-Nu'man, which has over 60 views and praises of Abu Hanifah from other Imams.

...I've been meaning to put it online for a while now.

Can you put it online please.

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It is found here bro

http://www.tafseer-raheemi.com/

Brother.

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Put it amongst your top 5.

I got, are you refering to this one?

http://www.albalagh.net/bookstore/?a...view&item=0637

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Imam Abu Hanifa VS Salafis

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Can you please upload the rest, Akhi.

I have uploaded the full lecture now. It is all on youtube here is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3zDeDdfGA

Hope evryones happy

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Imam Al-Bukhari narrated in his “Tarikh Sagheer” p 174 from Nuyam ibn Hammad:

“Ibrahim ibn Muhammad Al-Fazari narrated to us: We were with Sufyan Ath-Thawri when we received the news of the death of Abu Hanifah, and he said: “Al-Hamdulillah, The One who relieved the Muslims from him, he was destroying the chains of Islam, one by one. None was born in Islam more ill-omened than him”

Al-Khateeb narrated in his “Tarikh” (v 13 p 423) from Abu ‘Asim Ad-Dahak ibn Makhlad An-Nabeel:

“I heard Sufyan Ath-Thawri saying in Makkah when Abu Hanifah was mentioned to him: “Al-Hamdulilah, The One who saved us from what He tested a lot of people”, and with other words: “The death of Abu Hanifah was mentioned to Sufyan Thawri and he did not invoke mercy on him or anything else but said: “Al-Hamdulilah, The One who saved us from what He tested a lot of people”

Abu Zur’ah Ad-Dimashqi wrote in his “Tarikh Dimashq” v 1 p 507:

“Muhammad ibn Abi Umar said: Sufyan said:" None was born in Islam more dangerous than Abu Hanifah”


Hafiz Ibn Abdil Barr wrote in his “Inqita” about Abu Hanifah:

“Among those who did Ta’n on him and Jarh of him is Abu Abdillah Muhammad ibn Ismail Al-Bukhari, he said in his book “Dua’fa wal Matrukin”: Abu Hanifah Nu’man ibn Thabit Al-Kufi, Nuyam ibn Hammad narrated to us: Yahya ibn Said and Mu’az ibn Mu’az narrated to us: they heard Sufyan Ath-Thawri saying that it has been said that Abu Hanifah was requested to repent twice from Kufr. Nuaym narrated from Al-Fazari: I was with Sufyan ibn ‘Uyaynah when the death of Abu Hanifah came and he said: May Allah curse him, he was destroying Islam chain by chain, none was born in Islam more evil than him”

Al-Khateeb narrated in his “Tarikh Baghdad” v 13 p 394-395 from Imam Abu Bakr Abdullah ibn Sulayman ibnul Ash’at, son of the famous Imam Abu Dawud, addressing a group:

“What do you say about a topic on which agree Malik and his companions, Ash-Shafi’i and his companions, Al-Awza’i and his companions, Al-Hasan ibn Salih and his companions, Sufyan Ath-Thawri and his companions, Ahmad ibn Hambal and his companions?” They replied: “It is among most authentic topic”. He said: “All of these agreed on the misguidance of Abu Hanifah”

حدثني : محمد بن هارون ، نا : أبو صالح ، قال : سمعت الفزاري ، وحدثني : إبراهيم بن سعيد ، نا : أبو توبة ، عن أبي إسحاق الفزاري ، قال : كان أبو حنيفة يقول : إيمان إبليس وإيمان أبي بكر الصديق (ر) واحد ، قال أبوبكر : يا رب ، وقال إبليس : يا رب

Ishaaq al Fazaari narrates that he heard Abu Haneefah say: "The faith of Iblees and the faith of Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq is the same, Abu Bakr said "O Lord" and Iblees said "O Lord." [Kitab us Sunnah of Abdullaah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, No.316; Tarikh Baghdaad Vol.13, P.369]

Al-Fazaari is declared thiqah by the Muhaditheen, I will provide references later insha Allaah.

Brother the Shaykh In the video answers all of the quots that you have said. You need to watch the full video it is in 9 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3zDeDdfGA

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Isnt Green Lane the same masjid where several scholars and speakers a few years back declared that a girl from hanafi madhab may not marry guy from maliki madhab , and vuce vaersa and so on. Basically you arr not allowed to marry outsides your madhab,

I cant seem to find the proof for it at this time,

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Madhaabs has been one of the main cause for fights between people for ages and that is why the Muslims are the ones now suffering.

now you are chatting garbage akhi al karim , like jaahil deshi laymen.

It never existed during the earliest three generations of Muslims.

100 things didnt exist at salaf time. to deny things is very easy. but to accept things you need study. And you havent study any usool at all. so no wonder about such claim.

I never disrespected Imam Abu Hanifah, he is one of the greatest scholars but the Hanafi madhab is a blind following of acts

not really. I heard shafis student who wanna become hanafi by staying in hanafi fiqh duroos. Islamic fiqh is very rich. spend some time with ulama and stay in madrassah if you wanna have any say. otherwise we gotta shut up and know our role.

that can never be found in the Sihah Satta.

what is sihah sitta? did prophet said follow sihah sitta? which sharh of siha sittah you used for your study brother?

Imam Abu Hanifah says that if you find a Sahih Hadith that contradicts my teachings, throw away my teaching and grasp on the Sunnah.

yes, it was for his student who are another level of mujtahid like him and they were muhaddith. are you muhaddith?

Dr. Zakir Naik is one reason people Muslims and non-Muslims have come to acknowledge Islam

if you havent recognize islam before dr.zakir, its your fault. million muslims "recognized" islam before dr.zakir saab´s birth.

he was one of the most prominent personalities in defending Islam.

against?

It is some the Madhabi scholar who always fight on trivial issues and create difference among the Ummah.

when jahil laymen raise their voice with juhool, ulama gotta fight against fitnah.
madhab ulama are the flag bearer of salaf´s tolerance. and not like juhaals ideology of "my way or high way".

Oh, I forgot this one...the Madhabis don't allow inter-madhab marriages. Thank you for that

stop chatting rubbish. dr.zakir didnt taught you to tell lie or? Islam allows marry with ahlul kitab, and you are claiming madhabs dont allow to marry other madhab girls? in which primary schools student you are bro? Ahh i forgot, deshi education system is collapsed, thats why we have people who lie and slander.

And for your info, the masjid he was refering to, they are factory of producing lie and slander against ulama and salaf like you did.

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Oh, I forgot this one...the Madhabis don't allow inter-madhab marriages. Thank you for that

Im on about the masjid where Abu Usamah is a speaker (it is a well known fact taht Green Lane is an Ikwhani/Hizzbi masjid)

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Im on about the masjid where Abu Usamah is a speaker (it is a well known fact taht Green Lane is an Ikwhani/Hizzbi masjid)

Green Lane is a Salafi (non-madkhali) masjid.
and ma sha Allah they're probably the most active masjid in Birmingham

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Green Lane is a Salafi (non-madkhali) masjid.
and ma sha Allah they're probably the most active masjid in Birmingham

Yes they are, in fact the other 'active' masjid is also in Small heath, golden hillock road. Its like these two are always in competition

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Yes they are, in fact the other 'active' masjid is also in Small heath, golden hillock road. Its like these two are always in competition

they're in competiton with the salafi-madkhali masjid on wrong st

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they're in competiton with the salafi-madkhali masjid on wrong st

Lol, 2 wrongs dont make a wright

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Ibn Adi narrated: The son of the Muhaddith Abu Dawud said that the great scholar (of Basra) Ayyub assahdiyani, the great scholar (of Koofa) Sufyan ath-Thouri, the great scholar (of Hijaaz) Imam Maalik Ibn Anas, the scholar (from Egypt) Allais ibn’u sa’t, the great Scholar of Khurasaan Abdullah Ibn Mubarak – ALL said that Imam Abu Hanifa was ‘weak’ in Hadeeth.

The statement Abu Usamah mentioned from Ibn 'Adi's al-Kamil fi Du'afa al-Rijal is as follows:

سمعت بن أبى داود يقول الوقيعة في أبى حنيفة جماعة من العلماء لان امام البصرة أيوب السختياني وقد تكلم فيه وإمام الكوفة الثوري وقد تكلم فيه وامام الحجاز مالك وقد تكلم فيه وامام مصر الليث بن سعد وقد تكلم فيه وامام الشام الأوزاعي وقد تكلم فيه وامام خراسان عبد الله بن المبارك وقد تكلم فيه فالوقيعة فيه إجماع من العلماء في جميع الأفاق

I heard Ibn Abi Dawud say: "A multitude of 'ulama criticised Abu Hanifah. Thus, the Imam of Basra was Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani and he criticised him; the Imam of Kufa was al-Thawri and he criticised him; the Imam of Hijaz was Malik and he criticised him; and the Imam of Egypt was al-Layth and he criticised him; and the Imam of Shaam was al-Awza'i and he criticised him; and the Imam of the Khurasan was 'Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak and he criticised him. Hence, the criticism of him is ijma of the 'ulama in all regions."

There are three problems with this:

Firstly, Ibn Abi Dawud is Abu Bakr ibn Abi Dawud, the son of the famous Abu Dawud al-Sijistani, the author of the Sunan. His full name is 'Abd Allah ibn Sulayman ibn al-Ash'ath al-Sijistani. He was born in 230 Hijri and died in 316 Hijri, so Ibn Adi (277 - 365 Hijri) heard from him directly. However this Ibn Abi Dawud is not free from criticism. Ibrahim al-Asbahani said he is a "liar" (kadhdhab). His own father Abu Dawud said he is a "liar" (kadhdhab). It should be noted, in the nomenclature of the hadith-experts "lying" may mean lying and it may also mean error. Al-Daraqutni said he is "trustworthy (thiqah) but makes lots of mistakes" (see Lisan al-Mizan vol 4 pp. 190-5). Hence, this narrator is not free from criticism, so how can his criticism or his narration be accepted? Moreover, Abu Usamah in his first talk on Abu Hanifah actually mentioned the narration from Abu Dawud that his son is a liar, and now he uses him as evidence calling the chain "authentic", which clearly shows his dishonesty and bias.

Secondly, Ibn Abi Dawud does not give the chain to any of those he mentioned. And he did not hear directly from any of them. So the chain is broken (munqati') which means it is weak. Ibn al-Mubarak died in 181 Hijri, al-Thawri in 161 Hijri, al-Awza'i in 157 Hijri, Malik in 179 Hijri and al-Sakhtiyani in 131 Hijri; while Ibn Abi Dawud was born in 230 Hijri. Based on this, Abu Usamah's claim that this is "authentic" is an obvious attempt to pass off a clearly inauthentic chain (which he knows is not authentic) as sound.

Finally, there are reports from Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak, al-Layth ibn Sa'd, Malik and al-Thawri all praising Abu Hanifah found in for example Tahdhib al-Kamal by al-Mizzi and other books. (you can see Tahdhib al-Kamal here vol 29, see pages 417-445 - the late scholars, al-Mizzi, al-Dhahabi, al-Asqalani all agreed to narrate only the praise and tawthiq of Abu Hanifah and reject the criticism as the criticism was either weak or the rejected kind of criticism - see for more detail Makanat al-Imam Abi Hanifah fi l-Hadith by Shaykh Abd al-Rashid al-Nu'mani)

Imam Bhukari’s Sheik Abdullah bin Zubair Al-Humaidi said Abu Hanifa was weak in Hadeeth

Imam Al-Bukhari narrated in his “Tarikh Sagheer” p 174 from Nuyam ibn Hammad:

“Ibrahim ibn Muhammad Al-Fazari narrated to us: We were with Sufyan Ath-Thawri when we received the news of the death of Abu Hanifah, and he said: “Al-Hamdulillah, The One who relieved the Muslims from him, he was destroying the chains of Islam, one by one. None was born in Islam more ill-omened than him”

Here is a section from Abu Hanifah wa Ashabuhu l-Muhaddithun by Mawlana Zafar Uthmani, which answers both these quotes from al-Tarikh al-Saghir:

They mention thirdly from al-Tarkih al-Saghir (p. 174): “Nu‘aym ibn Hammad narrated to us, saying: al-Fazari narrated to us, saying: ‘We were with Sufyan al-Thawri when al-Nu‘man’s death was announced, and he said, ‘All praise to Allah! He was taking apart Islam branch by branch. No greater misfortune than him was ever born into Islam.’”

I say: “It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouth as a saying. What they say is nothing but falsehood!" (18:5). By Allah, there was not born into Islam, after the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) and his companions, greater fortune and blessing than al-Nu‘man Abu Hanifa. The proof of this can be witnessed in the extinction of the schools of his attackers and the spread of the school of Abu Hanifah, and its increase in fame day and night. Allah and the believers reject all but Abu Hanifah. I do not blame al-Bukhari for this narration, since he only related what he heard. However, I blame for it his teacher Nu‘aym ibn Hammad, since, although he was hafiz of hadiths and some of them declared him trustworthy, nevertheless Hafiz Abu Bishr al-Dulabi said: “Nu‘aym narrates from Ibn al-Mubarak. Al-Nasa'i said, ‘He is weak,’ and others said, ‘He used to forge hadiths to strengthen the Sunnah, and stories on the demerits of Abu Hanifa all of which are false.” This was also said by Abu al-Fath al-Azdi: “They said: ‘He used to forge hadiths to strengthen the Sunnah, and fabricated stories on the demerits of Abu Hanifa all of which are false." This was mentioned in Tahdhib al-tahdhib (10:462-463.) It is mentioned in al-Mizan (3:240): “Al-‘Abbas ibn Mus‘ab said in his Tarikh, ‘Nu`aym ibn Hammad composed books to refute the Hanafis.” Indeed I, by Allah, clear Nu‘aym ibn Hammad of the charge that he forged Prophetic hadiths. However, there is no doubt of him being harsh against the Hanafis, bigoted against their imam, therefore neither his word nor his narration in respect to him will not be accepted.

If we were to accept the authenticity of what he narrated, Sufyan was a contemporary of Abu Hanifah and from his peers and his praise of the imam has also been narrated, as has passed that he said, “We were in front of Abu Hanifah like sparrows in front of a falcon,” (Qala’id of Ibn Hajar al-Makki) and when the imam offered his condolences upon the death of his brother, he stood up for him and honoured him and showed respect to him and sat him in his place and said to those who disapproved of this, “This man holds a high rank in knowledge, and if I did not stand up for his knowledge, I would stand up for his age, and if I did not stand up for his age, I would stand up for his scrupulousness, and if not, then for his jurisprudence.”

The quote from al-Subki that “one should not pay attention to the speech of al-Thawri against Abu Hanifah, Ibn Abi Dhi’b and others against Malik and Ibn Ma’in against al-Shafi’i,” due to it having arisen from contemporariness and aversion to one another etc., has preceded.

They mentioned fourthly that which is also in al-Tarikh al-Saghir by al-Bukhari (p. 158): “I heard al-Humaydi say: Abu Hanifa said: "I came to Makkah and took from the cupper three traditions (sunan) when I sat in front of him: He said to me to face the Ka‘ba, he began with the right side of my head [shaving], and he reached the two bones.” al-Humaydi said: “A man who does not have traditions from the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) nor from his companions concerning the rites [of Hajj] and other things, how can he be imitated in the laws of Allah in inheritance, , shares, Zakat, prayer, and the affairs of Islam?"” [al-Humaydi (d. 219) never met Abu Hanifah, so this chain is broken]

I say: Al-Humaydi wished to demean him, but he praised him without realising, for Abu Hanifah (Allah be pleased with him) was gracious and generous, grateful to whomever showed him kindness or taught him something, even a single letter. He was not one who kept hidden people's goodness towards him, and their favours upon him. So when he obtained something related to matters of religion from a cupper, he narrated his goodness, and he showed him up as his teacher, fulfilling his right. How strange this is from al-Humaydi, when his own teacher, al-Shafi‘i, said: “I carried from Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani a camel-load of books,” and he would say: “Allah has helped me in hadith through Ibn ‘Uyayna, and in jurisprudence through Muhammad,” and it is to come. It is well-known that the knowledge of Muhammad ibn al-Hasan was complementary to the knowledge of Abu Hanifah. Imam al-Shafi’i also said: “Whoever seeks jurisprudence, let him stick to Abu Hanifah and his companions,” and he said: “All who seek jurisprudence, he is dependent on Abu Hanifah.” Despite this, al-Humaydi does not show gratitude for the Imam who is his teacher's teacher; he showed bad manners and rejected his favour.

The response to his statement: “A man who does not have traditions from the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)...” is that this incident i.e. the imam coming to Makkah and his learning the three traditions from the cupper probably took place in the youth and young age of the imam, since he went for Hajj with his father when he was young. It is not farfetched that a young man learnt something from rulings which he did not know previously from someone, especially since the imam’s preoccupation with knowledge was after his maturity as is mentioned in Radd al-Muhtar. It is also possible that this cupper was from the greatest of the noble ‘ulama and the elders of the great Tabi‘in, since that time was the early days of Islam and gaining knowledge was the highest mountain peak so the freed slaves and the slaves and the slave girls and the merchant and farmers and the people of professions excelled in memorising hadiths and narrations. Thus, the imam learnt these traditions from an ‘alim from the ‘ulama of the Tabi‘in whose occupation was a cupper, and there is undoubtedly no blame in this, for knowledge is not all acquired from one teacher in one day and professions and jobs do not prevent knowledge and do not prevent their performers from taking it; for many of the hadith-scholars were builders, carriers of wood, sellers and weavers, as is not hidden. From where does al-Humaydi know that that cupper was not one of the knowledgeable Tabi‘in, and that he either narrated these three traditions with their chain back to the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace), or suspended (mawquf) to a great Sahabi?

As for his statement: “How can he be imitated in the laws of Allah in inheritance, , shares, Zakat, prayer, and the affairs of Islam?” I say: If al-Humaydi did not imitate him, one greater than him did imitate him, I mean, our master, Imam al-Shafi`i whom al-Humaydi imitated, Yahya ibn Sa`id al-Qattan, Malik ibn Anas, Sufyan al-Thawri, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Waki` ibn al-Jarrah, `Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak, Yahya ibn Ma`in, and their likes. For al-Shafi‘i learnt from Muhammad [ibn al-Hasan] the jurisprudence of Abu Hanifah and benefited from his knowledge and recognised his being from those dependent on Abu Hanifah and there is no doubt in this; Malik would take the opinion of Abu Hanifah frequently as has passed although he would conceal it and not expose it (mentioned by al-Waqidi); Sufyan al-Thawri was similar as will come; and Ahmad sought hadith and knowledge first from Abu Yusuf al-Qadi and took jurisprudence from the books of Muhammad as will come. As for the others, their imitation of the imam is obvious. Then kings, sultans, caliphs, viziers, ‘ulama, hadith-scholars, pious people, jurist and worshippers imitated him, until Allah was worshipped according to the school of Abu Hanifah in Islam that which other than it was not worshipped according to. This was because of blessings of good manners upon which Abu Hanifa was grounded, because he did not look down upon taking the highest knowledge from a cupper, and so Allah made him the Imam of the Ummah, the greatest of the imams, and the guide of humanity.

Abu Hanifah wa Ashabu l-Muhaddithun pp.33-36

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I got, are you refering to this one?

http://www.albalagh.net/bookstore/?a...view&item=0637

Yup I got the same one, color and everything.

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Why should we follow those 100 things that didn't exist at salaf time.[B]

who created usool hadith? who created usool tafsir? who created usool naasikh wa mansukh?

I don't need to study usool; Ijma, Qiyas are bidaah...Quran and Sunnah is enough for me

where did you study quran and sunnah?

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your Mullahs do...

and you do what your mullahs do.

I have grown up in Hanafi environment and my family members and cousins are hanafi; all they try to do is defend their madhab when I talk to them about madhabs and other bidaahs.

neither they are knowlegble nor you.

madrassah student they only thing they know is how memorising

that is known as maktab and not madrassah. madrassah means school in arabic. and in school you dont learn quran memorising

even trying to know what the arabic words even mean

and you know arabic?

Sihah Sittah are the authentic collections of Hadiths

and? prophet:Saw: said follow sihah sitta? YES OR NO?

You must know Sheikh Nasiruddin Albani.

you mean the person who had dream every minute and asked prophet in the dream to analyze which hadith is sahih and which one not?

He is the best muhaddith in this era

never heard so from any muhaddith.

and has done a great job in differentiating authentic hadiths

you mean we didnt know which hadith is authentic and which not till last century? Islam was sooo weak that we had to wait till 20th century for a masih who will come and tell us the authencity of hadith! and we wonder why some people deny to accepting hadith!

I know you will now blame him to be a Salafi.

when heself claims to be salafi, what is there to blame! he prefers using salafi title more than muslim or sunni. it was his choice.

You just can't give people names because his lectures don't favour your opinion.

I dont expect a physic teacher or math teacher thinks islam by same way i do.

That's what people in ancient time used to do when a prophet came to them to preach Islam.

yes, dr.zakir can make kafir stupid, not us muslim.

Against anti-Islamic propaganda, misconceptions and Islamophobia.

And he is creating hate among own muslim unity.example? look at yourself in the mirror =)

I'm not talking about all Ulemas, I'm talking about your Hanafi mullahs who create innovations out of their choice into the Salaf's ways.

bad people are alover. no need to use kuffar logic like muslim are terrorist, hanafi mullah´s are innovators. bangalis marry twice.

it's fine! If deshi education system really collapsed it was for this Hanafi bigots and hypocrites

yes just because hasina and khaleda is hanafi."azad sir", "taslima apa" is hanafi too. my cat died, it because of hanafis. hanafi bigots killed my cat.

I got Diarrhea, because i ate at hanafi bigots home.

I'm talking about the well-known fact that hard-core Madhabis don't allow inter-Madhab marriages

and thats why you are angry at madhab? hardcors dont let marriage to other districts. shyletis dont late marry non-shyletis. ARabs dont let marriege non arabs. and you are busy with trival issue! and you think such mentality will bring peace and unity in muslim? open eyes akhi al karim.

akh ashraf, its might be tahajjud time in bd. pray 2 rakah, and remember us in dua inshallah

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People who fill their mouth with insults and stupid rhetoric against the "Mullahs" and the `ulama' should be whipped in the public place!