[avaiguite]

Salam

I am not able to understand why few Muslims insist to call Yazeed Radi Allah Ta'ala while we read in history about the shameful acts of Yazeed and his army:

* Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (as) and captured ahl-e-bait as)
* After karbala event (in 63 AH) the army of Yazeed attacked Madina-tun-Nabi (sawa), raped more than 1,000 women and killed around 10,000 madani people
* There was no namaz and call to prayer for 3 days in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* They kept animals in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* After madina, Yazid's army attacked Mecca and used Trebuchet/Catapult (Minjineek) to threw stones at Khana-e-Kaba, due to which one of the walls of Kaba demolished.
* Burt Khana-e-Kaba
* Also in a tradition it is mentioned he used to say that Nubuwwat was a drama of Banu Hashim (naoozubillah)

References
Khelafat o malukiat
Tareekh-e-Tibri Vol 4
Tareekh-e-Ibn-e-aseer Vol 3

[Arbinknit]

Salam

I am not able to understand why few Muslims insist to call Yazeed Radi Allah Ta'ala while we read in history about the shameful acts of Yazeed and his army:

* Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (as) and captured ahl-e-bait as)
* After karbala event (in 63 AH) the army of Yazeed attacked Madina-tun-Nabi (sawa), raped more than 1,000 women and killed around 10,000 madani people
* There was no namaz and call to prayer for 3 days in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* They kept animals in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* After madina, Yazid's army attacked Mecca and used Trebuchet/Catapult (Minjineek) to threw stones at Khana-e-Kaba, due to which one of the walls of Kaba demolished.
* Burt Khana-e-Kaba
* Also in a tradition it is mentioned he used to say that Nubuwwat was a drama of Banu Hashim (naoozubillah)

References
Khelafat o malukiat
Tareekh-e-Tibri Vol 4
Tareekh-e-Ibn-e-aseer Vol 3

The majority of people on this forum are ahlus sunnah wal jamaa, and we do not say after his name. Might as well delete this thread now, since you got your answer.

[avaiguite]

No. this is not the answer to my question. Give chance to someone who believe in this to reply.

What is forum meant for? This is not a good policy for forums to be extremely moderated as per the views of their moderators. Yes, if someone is discussing just for quarrel then you would be justified to close or remove the thread.

[Arbinknit]

I should have elaborated. It is highly unlikely that you will find any such person here to answer your question. So most likely, the only answer you will get on this forum is no answer. However, this thread has the potential to turn into a useless argument, so it should be deleted.

There isn't always a good reason why people do things. People know alcohol is haram- why do they still drink it?

Also, yazeed did not personally kill hadhrat Husain .

In any case, there was a whole thread about yazeed recently, so there is no need for another one. Please use the search function, or Google search.

[Thorwaywhobia]

Yazid = Bad.

Water + Electricity = Bad.

Strawberry cake = Good.

[MrGunjMan_]

he is bad

[Thorwaywhobia]

I just want to know what the Muslims are doing, are you sleeping while your religion is being hijacked by monkeys from outer-space!!? This is the wiki page for the five pillars of Islam, WHY THE HECK DOES IT START WITH THE SHIA PILLARS!!!?

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Look at the Arab page, it doesn't even mention the Shia:

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A3%...84%D8%A7%D9%85

[avaiguite]

His crime was not just the killing of Imam Hussain (as). He further imprisoned and insulted his ahl-ul-bait. Moreover, he violated the sanctity of holy cities and places there in using his army. This is the clear manifestation of his ill character and bad intentions.

Wassalam...

Also, yazeed did not personally kill hadhrat Husain .

[Arbinknit]

His crime was not just the killing of Imam Hussain (as). He further imprisoned and insulted his ahl-ul-bait. Moreover, he violated the sanctity of holy cities and places there in using his army. This is the clear manifestation of his ill character and bad intentions.

Wassalam...

Like I said, you likely won't find anyone disputing his evil here.

[retTreftowhexm]

We don't say RadiyAllahu 'anh to Yazid. We believe that Yazid was a Muslim, but he was fasiq. There are many Sunni narrations which say that Yazid drank alcohol. But at the same time, we also believe that Yazid was NOT the one who killed Imam Husayn RA in Karbala. The one who killed Imam Husayn RA was a Kharijite. And when Yazid heard the news that Imam Husayn RA was murdered, Yazid got shocked and cried. Wallahu a'lam.

Anyway, why do the Shiites love to mourn the death of Imam Husayn RA? You should actually be happy! Because the tragedy of Karbala indicates that Imam Husayn RA was shahid and he is placed in heaven as the leader of youth! If you mourn the death of Imam Husayn RA out of loving him, why don't you mourn the death of Rasulullah SAW too? Why don't you mourn the death of Imam Ali KWH too? Please answer that, I am very confused with you Shiites.

[myspacecoo]

Salam

I am not able to understand why few Muslims insist to call Yazeed Radi Allah Ta'ala while we read in history about the shameful acts of Yazeed and his army:

* Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (as) and captured ahl-e-bait as)
* After karbala event (in 63 AH) the army of Yazeed attacked Madina-tun-Nabi (sawa), raped more than 1,000 women and killed around 10,000 madani people
* There was no namaz and call to prayer for 3 days in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* They kept animals in Masjid-e-Nabavi (sawa)
* After madina, Yazid's army attacked Mecca and used Trebuchet/Catapult (Minjineek) to threw stones at Khana-e-Kaba, due to which one of the walls of Kaba demolished.
* Burt Khana-e-Kaba
* Also in a tradition it is mentioned he used to say that Nubuwwat was a drama of Banu Hashim (naoozubillah)

References
Khelafat o malukiat
Tareekh-e-Tibri Vol 4
Tareekh-e-Ibn-e-aseer Vol 3

Because there are 2 Yazids. One Yazid is Yazid ibn Abi Sufyaan (May Allah be pleased with him), a sahaabi, and the brother of Muawiyah (May Allah be pleased with him).

The other Yazid is Yazid ibn Muawiyah, the one who caused all the carnage you mentioned above.

When people say Yazid radi allahu anhu, they are referring to Muawiyah radi allahu anhu's BROTHER, not his wayward son.

[myspacecoo]

I just want to know what the Muslims are doing, are you sleeping while your religion is being hijacked by monkeys from outer-space!!? This is the wiki page for the five pillars of Islam, WHY THE HECK DOES IT START WITH THE SHIA PILLARS!!!?

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Look at the Arab page, it doesn't even mention the Shia:

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A3%...84%D8%A7%D9%85

Why dont you edit the page and put the shia pillars at the bottom.

We can all scream and shout, but actions speak louder than words.

[MeatteCen]

Because there are 2 Yazids. One Yazid is Yazid ibn Abi Sufyaan (May Allah be pleased with him), a sahaabi, and the brother of Muawiyah (May Allah be pleased with him).

The other Yazid is Yazid ibn Muawiyah, the one who caused all the carnage you mentioned above.

When people say Yazid radi allahu anhu, they are referring to Muawiyah radi allahu anhu's BROTHER, not his wayward son.

Brother,

no doubt a well-intentioned post to your credit but I believe the brother is referring to Yazeed ibn Muawiyah ibn Abi Sufyan (Radhiyallu anhu) and NOT Yazeed ibn Abi Sufyan (Radhiyallu anhu).

As in he wants to know why some people praise the first, which no doubt some do...

Anyway, that aside let's leave Yazeed alone - he is DEFINITELY being repaid in full what he has earned - whether good or bad.

And there is no benefit discussing about him...

Let's end the discussion on Yazeed here....

[Thorwaywhobia]

Why dont you edit the page and put the shia pillars at the bottom.

We can all scream and shout, but actions speak louder than words.

Because I want other people to do something since they're asleep.

[avaiguite]

If Yazid was "shocked and cried" over the killing of Imam Hussain (as) by him men, he should punish his men or even suspended them from their post(s). But that was not the case. He didn't show any significant reaction over this. Anyway, I was curious about knowing the arguments of those who pray for him. But I guess they are not present over this forum.

Brother, now as you have asked about mourning over shaheed, here is how we believe it. Although, I am afraid Mr. moderator may feel bad and close this topic.

Al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in Madarij un Nabuwat
"When Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, he saw that cries could be heard from most of the houses of Ansaar (the helpers) but not from Hamza's house. Holy Prophet (s) said that wasn't there anyone to cry over Hamza? The helpers (Ansaar) asked their women to mourn over Hamza first and then they may go and cry over their own martyr. The women went to Hamza's house in the evening and kept crying till midnight. When Holy Prophet(s) woke up and asked about it, he was told the whole thing. Holy Prophet(s) blessed them by saying" May Allah be pleased with you and your children."

So you can see that mourning over shaheed is something that Prophet (sawa) himself recommended. And ofcourse, it is due to the love of Imam (as).

And please correct your information. We do mourn death of Prophet (sawa) but not on 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal. According to our history books it is 28th of Safar. And Imam Ali's shahadat is mourned on 21st of Ramadhan. You may inquire over the web as well.

I hope this will lower your confusion regarding your concern.

We don't say RadiyAllahu 'anh to Yazid. We believe that Yazid was a Muslim, but he was fasiq. There are many Sunni narrations which say that Yazid drank alcohol. But at the same time, we also believe that Yazid was NOT the one who killed Imam Husayn RA in Karbala. The one who killed Imam Husayn RA was a Kharijite. And when Yazid heard the news that Imam Husayn RA was murdered, Yazid got shocked and cried. Wallahu a'lam.

Anyway, why do the Shiites love to mourn the death of Imam Husayn RA? You should actually be happy! Because the tragedy of Karbala indicates that Imam Husayn RA was shahid and he is placed in heaven as the leader of youth! If you mourn the death of Imam Husayn RA out of loving him, why don't you mourn the death of Rasulullah SAW too? Why don't you mourn the death of Imam Ali KWH too? Please answer that, I am very confused with you Shiites.

[Saad Khan]

I have never heard of a scholar, praising Yazid Ibn Muawiyah and I agree with the earlier brothers post in that this thread is futile.

Ibn Al Jawzi in "Al rad 3ala al-muta3asib al 3anid al Mani3 min dhammi Yazid" asserts that the ulalma have deemed it permissible to curse him. Other scholars however have said it is preferable not to curse directly but leave it general due to certain reasons.

In saying that, while there is no doubt of the atrocities that occurred during Yazids rule, this does not mean that we make our religion revolve around this particular incident and try to politicise it and create fanatics for some political gain.

Its sad to see that you speak to some shias these days and they don't know the difference between an Ayah/Surah and on the other hand they can talk to you for hours on how Bukhari sharif is not authentic, misinterpret certain hadiths and so on, really frustrating when you actually read all that nonsense. This however is not to say that the general Sunni Muslim is perfect, negatives can be listed for both sides.

[retTreftowhexm]

If Yazid was "shocked and cried" over the killing of Imam Hussain (as) by him men, he should punish his men or even suspended them from their post(s). But that was not the case. He didn't show any significant reaction over this. Anyway, I was curious about knowing the arguments of those who pray for him. But I guess they are not present over this forum.

If you were in the battlefield, can you actually recognize the face of the killer? Among those thousands of people, can you recognize who actually murder Imam Husayn RA?

Brother, now as you have asked about mourning over shaheed, here is how we believe it. Although, I am afraid Mr. moderator may feel bad and close this topic.

Al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in Madarij un Nabuwat
"When Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, he saw that cries could be heard from most of the houses of Ansaar (the helpers) but not from Hamza's house. Holy Prophet (s) said that wasn't there anyone to cry over Hamza? The helpers (Ansaar) asked their women to mourn over Hamza first and then they may go and cry over their own martyr. The women went to Hamza's house in the evening and kept crying till midnight. When Holy Prophet(s) woke up and asked about it, he was told the whole thing. Holy Prophet(s) blessed them by saying" May Allah be pleased with you and your children."

So you can see that mourning over shaheed is something that Prophet (sawa) himself recommended. And ofcourse, it is due to the love of Imam (as).

And please correct your information. We do mourn death of Prophet (sawa) but not on 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal. According to our history books it is 28th of Safar. And Imam Ali's shahadat is mourned on 21st of Ramadhan. You may inquire over the web as well.

I hope this will lower your confusion regarding your concern.

Thank you.

[ElisasAUG]

Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Every Muslim should mourn the killing of al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him), for he is one of the leaders of the Muslims, one of the scholars of the Sahaabah, and the son of the daughter of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who was the best of his daughters. He was a devoted worshipper, and a courageous and generous man. But there is nothing good in what the Shi’ah do of expressing distress and grief, most of which may be done in order to show off. The best that can be said when remembering these and similar calamities is that which ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn narrated from his grandfather the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “There is no Muslim who is afflicted by a calamity and when he remembers it, even if it was in the dim and distant past, he says Inna Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon (verily to Allaah we belong and unto Him is our return), but Allaah will give him a reward like that of the day when it befell him.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad and Ibn Majaah, end quote from al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (8/221).

Ibn Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "He who slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes and follows the ways and traditions of the Days of Ignorance is not of us.'' [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Abu Darda (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger Of Allah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing in grief or affication." [Saheeh Muslim]

Asid bin Abu Usaid (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: A woman who had taken a pledge of allegiance at the hand of the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: "Among the matters in respect of which we gave the Messenger of Allah the pledge not to disobey him in any Ma`ruf [i.e., all that Islam ordains (V:60:12)] was that we should not slap our faces, bewail, tear our clothes up and tear out our hair (in grief).'' [Abu Dawud]

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Two things are signs of disbelief on the part of those who indulge in them: Slandering one's lineage and wailing over the dead.'' [Muslim]

Abu Burdah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: (My father) Abu Musa got seriously ill and lost his consciousness. His head was in the lap of a woman of the family and she began to wail. When Abu Musa recovered his consciousness, he said: "I am innocent of those from whom Messenger of Allah (PBUH) is innocent. Verily, the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) declared himself free of (the responsibility) for a woman who wails, shaves her head and tears up her clothes.'' [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Umm `Atiyyah (May Allah be pleased with her) said: At the time of giving the pledge of allegiance, the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) took from us an oath that we would not wail. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

An-Nu`man bin Bashir (May Allah be pleased with them) said: When `Abdullah bin Rawahah (May Allah be pleased with him) became unconscious, his sister began to weep and shout: "Alas! For the mountain among men. Alas! for such and such (mentioning his virtuous qualities).'' When he recovered his consciousness, he said: "I was asked (disapprovingly, by the angels) about everything you said concerning me whether I am as you said.'' [Al-Bukhari]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Because of the killing of al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him), shaytaan caused the people to introduce the innovation of mourning and wailing on the day of ‘Ashoora’, by slapping the cheeks, weeping, and reciting eulogies. And every innovation is a going astray. None of the four imams of the Muslims or any other (scholars) regarded either of these things as mustahabb. End quote from Minhaaj al-Sunnah (4/554)

[ElisasAUG]

With regards to Yazeed,

Firstly, it must be remarked here that this is not an issue on which one’s Iman depends, nor will one be asked on the day of Judgement as to what opinion one held about Yazid. This is a trivial matter, thus many scholars have advised to abstain from indulging and discussing the issue and concentrate on the more immediate and important aspects of Deen.

It has not been decisively established that Yazid himself killed or ordered the unfortunate killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah have mercy on him). There are some reports that he expressed his remorse on the actions of his associates, and even if he did, then murder and other sins do not necessitate Kufr.

Imam al-Ghazali (Allah have mercy on him) states that it is impermissible to say that Yazid killed or ordered the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) as attributing a Muslim to a sin without decisive evidence is not permissible. (See: Sharh Bad al-Amali by Mulla Ali al-Qari, P. 123-125)

He further states: “If it is established that a Muslim killed a fellow Muslim, then the understanding of the people of truth is that he does not become a Kafir. Killing is not disbelief, rather a grave sin. It could also be that a killer may have repented before death." [ibid]

It is also not permissible to curse him. It has been narrated in many narrations that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) cursed sinners in a general manner. However, to curse a particular person who commits some act of disobedience, such as oppression, murder, adultery, etc, there is a difference of opinion. The Majority of Scholars Including Imam al-Ghazali hold the view that this is impermissible.
(Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam)

[avaiguite]

If you were in the battlefield, can you actually recognize the face of the killer? Among those thousands of people, can you recognize who actually murder Imam Husayn RA?

Although there is lot more to be said from history and traditions on this issue, but I feel the people here will not prefer it. In short as last words, suppose he didn't know of whom actually killed Imam Hussain (as), did he even tried to inquire it (from his commanders etc). Not a single word from him.

Leaving this topic here. But it was a nice discussing with you, brothers.