[cmruloah]

What is the reason for sunniforum's success?

There are many "Islamic" forums out there, but no one is so successful as sunniforum:

- good adab among the brothers and sisters
- high quality content
- balanced views, respect for madhhaabi ikhtilaaf among the users
- many knowledgeable people
- high quality content
- inspiring writings
- holding fast to Islamic principles such as no images of living beings, no slandering of scholars etc..
- and more

Sunniforum community prooved to changes people's life for good by the will of Allah.
I've come to know quite a few brothers and sisters here who were really down but started reading and learning here and now they really flourish mash Allah.

Now, I'd like to know why it has become like that, because I also observed an Islamic forum from Germany nearly since the beginning when it opened last year. Sadly, it turned out to be a forum void of profund knowledge instead much ignorance and takfir. Each time I spent some time browsing its discussions get a headache (rhetorically speaking)

What should one watch out for when building an Islamic community on the web, especially when starting from zero in a country nearly void of Ahlu-Sunnah like Germany (or others)?

[alenbarbaf]

You're talking about Islamic forums in English, right? Because the most successful Arabic Islamic forums out there are controlled by Salafis.

I think Sunniforum is succesful because there aren't many Islamic forums in English on the web in the first place.

And what do you mean there are balanced views and respect for ikhtiliaf madhabi in this forum? If there is any thread that is threatening any ruling of one of the four madhhabs, they simply delete it, or make it inaccessible or uneditable (like it happened to my thread).

And "many knowledgeable people"? When I want to ask difficult questions I have to ask them in Arabic forums.

[addifttiest]

You're talking about Islamic forums in English, right? Because the most successful Arabic Islamic forums out there are controlled by Salafis.

I think Sunniforum is succesful because there aren't many Islamic forums in English on the web in the first place.

And what do you mean there are balanced views and respect for ikhtiliaf madhabi in this forum? If there is any thread that is threatening any ruling of one of the four madhhabs, they simply delete it, or make it inaccessible or uneditable (like it happened to my thread).

And "many knowledgeable people"? When I want to ask difficult questions I have to ask them in Arabic forums.

And yet you're still here, aren't you?

I think the main reason for its success is the humility (and wisdom!) of the moderators and old-timers. People follow their example, and ask with humility and answer with humility. People don't come to SF to arrogantly impose their own views and beliefs, or to attack other people's views. If somebody's nafs momentarily gets the better of them and they get arrogant or agressive, the moderators gently and politely warn them.

People coming with the intention of arguing and attacking either get bored and go away again, or they get restricted or banned by the moderators. So the Sunni peace and good-mannered discussion are maintained =)

[ValdisSeroff]

What is the reason for sunniforum's success?

I think a forum is reflective of the moderators. Masha Allah the moderators on here are excellent. I think it comes down to not only knowing when to intervene in a heated discussion but also to do so in the correct manner by saying the right things.

Of course it also depends on the sincerity of those who run it and participate.

May Allah give it continued success. Ameen

[jenilopaz]

Why isnt it called Deobandiforum or Tabligheeforum?

[scemHeish]

Why isnt it called Deobandiforum or Tabligheeforum?

I think that has been discussed before in the "Are Sunniforum Moderators Biased etc etc" thread. Let's not bring it up again. Or if someone really wants to know why...

Because that's what those who made the forum decided to call it.

The Tableeghiforum part makes no sense though. We've only one major tableegh thread, which others get merged into.

Khayr... let's stay on topic and help address br Al-Faruqi's question.

[Penisvergroesserung]

Why isnt it called Deobandiforum or Tabligheeforum?

becuase we have section for hanafi figh ?

[jenilopaz]

or put another way whats the reason for SF's success amongst Deobandi's and TJ's? (hope you understand what im getting at?)

[truck]

What is the reason for sunniforum's success?

There are many "Islamic" forums out there, but no one is so successful as sunniforum:

- good adab among the brothers and sisters
- high quality content
- balanced views, respect for madhhaabi ikhtilaaf among the users
- many knowledgeable people
- high quality content
- inspiring writings
- holding fast to Islamic principles such as no images of living beings, no slandering of scholars etc..
- and more

Sunniforum community prooved to changes people's life for good by the will of Allah.
I've come to know quite a few brothers and sisters here who were really down but started reading and learning here and now they really flourish mash Allah.

Also,
-Presence of resident `ulama'/tullab al-`ilm and their beneficial post.
-...Barakah for being on the right path? ;-)

Now, I'd like to know why it has become like that, because I also observed an Islamic forum from Germany nearly since the beginning when it opened last year. Sadly, it turned out to be a forum void of profund knowledge instead much ignorance and takfir. Each time I spent some time browsing its discussions get a headache (rhetorically speaking)

What should one watch out for when building an Islamic community on the web, especially when starting from zero in a country nearly void of Ahlu-Sunnah like Germany (or others)?

Some advices from my experience:

-Get the right mods and admins: don't give any responsability in the forum to Ahl al-Bid`ah or deviants. Be hegemonical.
-Don't be afraid of banning and moderating when necessary: a strong control will make people think twice before making mess. Be strong.
-Focus on the traditional method of aquiring islamic knowledge rather than on bickering and debates with kuffar or deviants. Be serious.
-Raise the level of the arguments; i.e. not just the typical discussions about hijab/music.. Raising the topics' value and level, means that most people will be called to follow the Sunnah, rather than having doubts about following or not the basics. Be high quality.

Why don't you seriously consider opening another German forum, with brothers like True Life, Streetwalker, and another sister who's collaborating with Euro-Sunni?
On the long-term this could maybe lead to an European Forum with different language sections, but this is long to reach (oh, but we like reasoning on long terms, don't we?)... ;-)

[T1ivuQGS]

-Raise the level of the arguments; i.e. not just the typical discussions about hijab/music.. Raising the topics' value and level, means that most people will be called to follow the Sunnah, rather than having doubts about following or not the basics. Be high quality.

I would appreciate it, but only when it is discussed by student of knowledge like bro abu hajira and others. letting laymen users like me, will only create fitna for the viewrs. And there is another way which is cut-pasting the fatwas of different scholars, which also doesnt help except student of knowledge under instruction of ulama.

[truck]

I would appreciate it, but only when it is discussed by student of knowledge like bro abu hajira and others. letting laymen users like me, will only create fitna for the viewrs. And there is another way which is cut-pasting the fatwas of different scholars, which also doesnt help except student of knowledge under instruction of ulama.

Uhm, I also meant to not limit oneself to discuss what the system wants you to talk (hijab, rajm, jihad, dhimmi...)

So, don't be reactibe, be propositive, be indipendent, be intellectual..

In this way Muslims reading will find a lot of things they didn't have any idea existed in Islam, or had a wrong, distorted idea about.

Let's re-conquest Islam both from kuffar propaganda and from the apologetical deceptions of the reformists/modernists!

[Thorwaywhobia]

Reason for success is Allah.

[doogiehoussi]

Assalamualykum wrwb



Yeah i understand what youre getting at! YOU DONT LIKE DEOBANDIS!! The moderators on this website are amazing, I dont know whats wrong with a moderator writing posts simply defending islam against BID'AH (which seems is probably youre problem wiv em)?!?!?!

You think daywalk3r doesn't like Deobandees? Do you even know him?

[gugamotina]

What is the reason for sunniforum's success?

There are many "Islamic" forums out there, but no one is so successful as sunniforum:

- good adab among the brothers and sisters
- high quality content
- balanced views, respect for madhhaabi ikhtilaaf among the users
- many knowledgeable people
- high quality content
- inspiring writings
- holding fast to Islamic principles such as no images of living beings, no slandering of scholars etc..
- and more

Sunniforum community prooved to changes people's life for good by the will of Allah.
I've come to know quite a few brothers and sisters here who were really down but started reading and learning here and now they really flourish mash Allah.

Now, I'd like to know why it has become like that, because I also observed an Islamic forum from Germany nearly since the beginning when it opened last year. Sadly, it turned out to be a forum void of profund knowledge instead much ignorance and takfir. Each time I spent some time browsing its discussions get a headache (rhetorically speaking)

What should one watch out for when building an Islamic community on the web, especially when starting from zero in a country nearly void of Ahlu-Sunnah like Germany (or others)?

It isn't that succesful anymore as it used to be, when the old Shura was still active. Believe me.

[addifttiest]

Reason for success is Allah.

[Penisvergroesserung]

or put another way whats the reason for SF's success amongst Deobandi's and TJ's? (hope you understand what im getting at?)

i am getting your frustration

i think i know u, i am i right ?

[QuidQuoPro]

The forum and indeed the internet has given the opportunity to revive a human social unit from the distant past: tribes.
sunniforums like its counterparts will develop in its own silo and mainly attract a following of only those people who share the same ideas and values, this is just factual human behavioural tendencies.

Historically there were zawiyah (corner places) which catered for different schools for the spiritual rectification. interestingly like most social groups a 'tribal' mentality was formed and each group considered theirs to be revered more then others.

This was also the case with the schools of thoughts in Fiqh and own group revering their own over the other schools.

Although this forum has been exceptional in attempting to deliver sound Islamic concepts, it like any other medium that is not an exact duplication of the methodology of the Prophet will always lack the substance that is needed.

Example the company of a kamil sheikh/scholar can not be replaced or duplicate virtually. Acquisition of knowledge after undergoing sacrifice and struggle. These processes in themselves have been blessed by Allah and preserved.

One brother said to me, "the first thing that left the Muslim Ummah that led to its decline was Mujahidah (struggle)". This is true in all respects, the internet and or a forum can not give the soul to knowledge regardless how many lines are typed.

[irrascaft]

Assalam Alaikum,

This site has educated me a lot. Opened my eyes to how much I still need to learn.

Having said that, the moderators can be a little more lenient IMHO.
For example a sister was banned recently for arguing against the Niqab. While I didn't agree with her thoughts, I didn't see how banning her helped either her or other forumers. Diversity in thought should be tolerated even if the opinion is poorly placed as long as there is no disrespect.

[QuidQuoPro]

Assalam Alaikum,

This site has educated me a lot. Opened my eyes to how much I still need to learn.

Having said that, the moderators can be a little more lenient IMHO.
For example a sister was banned recently for arguing against the Niqab. While I didn't agree with her thoughts, I didn't see how banning her helped either her or other forumers. Diversity in thought should be tolerated even if the opinion is poorly placed as long as there is no disrespect.

Most people on this forum are unqualified to make a judicial legal opinion.
If one is citing judicial opinion then he/she should be required to present their credentials, this is how a civilizations of truth is formed.

Further we are not a democracy, what degree of foolishness is it that an individual is allowed to opinionate on a judicial ruling and further it should be tolerated; does this not open the door of Fitna?

Allah himself is intelligence and further has gifted the Muslim ummah with a perfection of intelligence. The foundation and fundamental of science came from this Ummah.

Most importantly I want to point the detrimental damage that is caused by the opinionated person. Zaid ibn tabit had to have 2 people verify each verse of the quran who heard those verses of the quran directly from the Prophet
In the history of islam every rule or junction that bought any benefit to this Ummah was presented only by a person of piety. But today we have to give into everyone that has an opinion or a thought, it has to be tolerated or respected; why?

However I must also say that there is a double standard in what I state. Why is someone getting pulled up and banned on the Niqab issues when far greater statements are made here on this forum, sometimes matters that leads to kufr; why do those not get banned?

The whole dilemma comes down to one thing, true sincerity!

Sincerity that is not biased. Sincerity that means a person will not only incline towards the matter that he/she deem right (or makes comfortable) and shun other matters (although from Allah's perspective has a truth).

Sincerity is like a black stone, in a black cupboard in a dark room; try and find it?
Sincerity is the last thing to enter and the first thing to leave.
The example of sincerity is the person who comes right at the end of a lecture and sits right near to the door since there in no more room and before the lecture is over he leaves.

It is so difficult to leave our prejudices, our comfort zones, our tribal mentality and actually support truth as a whole entity and not pick up the pieces that suit us.

[scemHeish]

While it is not the duty of mods to disclose why a member got banned, I feel I must at least say that the sister in question is not permanently banned and will be unbanned very soon, and she did not get banned for disrespecting niqaab.